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October 13, 2008 12:47 PM PDT

Dish Network VOD vs. Blu-ray: 1080p shootout

by David Katzmaier

Sound & Vision magazine's Brent Butterworth conducted a test comparing the video quality of Dish Network's 1080p video-on-demand service with that of a Blu-ray movie, and found very little difference.

Dish Network's 1080p version of Speed Racer looks nearly as good as the Blu-ray.

(Credit: Amazon.com)

Dish offers a very few select VOD movies in 1080p resolution, the highest-definition available today, only one of which was available at the time of the comparison: Speed Racer. Comparing the 1080p Dish VOD version with the 1080p version on the Blu-ray disc, Butterworth "could detect only subtle differences" from a normal seating distance, reporting that both "looked fantastic."

Dish overcomes bandwidth constraints by sending each 1080p movie directly to the hard drives of its ViP-series DVRs in the wee hours of the morning, when there's less demand. When a user select one of the movies and pays the VOD surcharge ($6.99 per movie), it plays directly from the hard drive. One apparent downside to this method is scant selection: only Speed Racer is available now, and another title isn't expected until November.

The video quality of Dish's 1080p service bodes well for future iterations of high-quality downloadable/on-demand content. We reported similarly high quality when comparing the 1080p/24 versions of movies from Vudu to Blu-ray discs. For its part, DirecTV has also said it will offer 1080p VOD movies, although neither cable providers nor Verizon's Fios service have announced any plans to do so.

David Katzmaier reviews HDTVs for CNET. E-mail David.
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by sticks1839 October 14, 2008 5:50 AM PDT
Can you clarify this part of the story: "Dish overcomes bandwidth constraints by sending each 1080p movie directly to the hard drives of its ViP-series DVRs in the wee hours of the morning, when there's less demand"?

How exactly does this work? Do you choose a VOD movie that you want to watch tomorrow, and it downloads to your DVR over night? Does it automatically download VOD movies to your box without asking, so the movie can start whenever you want? How does this effect DVR space?

Considering all the options for how this is described, it does not sound like a good deal. I don't want to sacrifice DVR (or need to have a certain amount of available space) to watch an "On-Demand" movie.
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by katzmaier October 14, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
Hi Sticks,

I checked with Dish to confirm and expand, and they basically said that yes, every VIP DVR across the country currently has a 1080p copy of Speed Racer (and copies of whatever other 1080p movies Dish is offering, if any) on there right now. To "unlock" it for a 24-hour period, you pay the $6.99 and it's available to watch immediately.

This doesn't affect how many hours of recording time is available on a given DVR. There's a separate partition devoted to the "push" movies and other content that's separate from the advertised capacity of the unit.

According to Dish's rep: "DUE TO THE SIZE OF 1080P MOVIE FILES, WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND OUR IP VOD PULL TECHNOLOGY PLATFORM TO ALLOW ACCESS TO MORE 1080P TITLES. RIGHT NOW, IT?S UNCLEAR AS TO THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MOVIES WE CAN PROVIDE VIA PUSH VOD."

(forgive the all-caps, that's to differentiate their replies from my questions in the email I sent)

My guess is that since those "push" 1080p movies are so big, Dish will never be able to offer more than one or two at a time with this method.

Hope this helps clarify,

Katz
by bfloater162 October 14, 2008 6:29 AM PDT
you have all the movies on your dvr all the time. Is it really that hard to understand?
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by sticks1839 October 14, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
I would bet a lot of money that it does NOT work as you say. To make the VOD service competitive, they would need a substantial selection of movies to be offered. Considering the highest end DVR model Dish network offers, the ViP722, can hold approx. 55 hours of HD content, they could offer no more than 30 or so HD movies at a time and this would require all the space on YOUR DVR box to be used to "have all the movies on your dvr all the time." Maybe they think a 10 movie selection is reasonable and competitive. Do I really want a third of my DVR to be used for things I may or may not watch, as opposed to content I purposely recorded?
Either that or they have an extra hard drive placed in their DVRs just for this service, driving up the cost. Neither option sounds too good to me.
by joshdeboer October 14, 2008 7:04 AM PDT
Why do people have to be so rude online? Sticks1839 was just asking, that's how one learns. I sure your no AV guru!
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by strongpimphand October 14, 2008 7:38 AM PDT
I actually near clarification on that quote too!

Because the way I read it, the literal meaning is what the jerk above posted. BUT, what needs to be defined is whether that is by choice or not. (Which is what the first poster is getting at)

If it's by choice, I support it. But, if they just stick it on in hopes you select it....I can't support that.
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by Rick Cavaretti October 14, 2008 7:46 AM PDT
Exactly, if DISH sits there and randomly beams stuff to my hard drive and fills it up, then no. On Demand means now, spur of the moment, impulse. Not, 'let's see what the DISH Santa sent me last night for my viewing pleasure.'
by katzmaier October 14, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
No choice, but it doesn't impact the storage capacity of your DVR. See my reply to Sticks in comment #1 for details.
by paskunyak October 14, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
Okay, someone explain to me the point of any on demand service, 1080p or not. They are all much more expensive than renting a DVD or Blu-ray, so my assumption is they are for people too lazy or too impatient for Netflix or going to a store. $7 for Speed Racer? NO WAY!!!
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by traubinator October 14, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
Well put paskunyak! It's gotta be readily available, have a lot of movies to choose from, and be cheap or part of the service already being offered (like the Watch Instantly option at Netflix-yes I know it's not 1080p quality but it does look pretty darn respectable). A $7 buck "convenience fee" ain't gonna fly with folks to pay for a "blue-ray like experience."
by FCBarca October 14, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
Considering there is only one VOD at the moment, not like you really have to 'plan ahead' to have it uploaded to your DVR
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by sbethi October 14, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
$6.99 for Speed Racer? This is first movie I was unable to watch till the end in my 3 months of Blue-Ray experience and I rented it for around $1 at Netflix
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by AnthonyNYC October 14, 2008 5:26 PM PDT
People it's all advertising numbers game with 1080P and Dish, one movie beamed ahead of time in hopes you want to rent it? How is that any more OnDemand than the old way of having movies playing all day long on certain channels? Same crap to me.
And I love the way the writer of the article says that both 1080P movies almost look as good!
Excuse me? why wouldn't they? Aren't they both 1080P?
As far as I am concerned a well made 720P copy of a movie is fine enough to be considered High Definition, anything else is a numbers game to fool idiots.
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by Wes420wes November 18, 2008 12:49 AM PST
Anthony, I doubt you'd say that if you saw my 50" Plasma HDTV. If you saw what it looks like at 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p.

At 480p it's blurrier.
At 720p and 1080i it's about the same, except for full quality 1080i, then it's undeniably better than 720p.
At 1080p it's smoother looking, and more lifelike. The depth is astounding, as is the added detail and realism. Full detailed 1080i looks close to 1080p, but just slightly blurrier.

The movies wouldn't look as good because of the compression factor. Bluray disks have the image uncompressed in 1080p, Dish VOD looks slightly compressed, but you can't tell back from the couch.

It's only to fool idiots if it's a small TV. Big TVs, particularly those over 48 inches, 1080i looks notably better than 720p, and 1080p is just excellent.
by cyclone October 15, 2008 12:27 AM PDT
Even with potentially comparable video quality, there's no comparison with the audio (Dolby Digital on Dish versus lossless on virtually every Blu-ray disc), plus Blu-ray discs generally include lots of bonus content.
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by whasab October 23, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
Its Blu-ray not Blue-ray people!
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by rafalink January 27, 2009 11:34 AM PST
I order/downloaded "The Beast" and while playing it, my TV indicated that the signal from the box (ViP722) was 1080i, so I chat with DishNetwork to find out what was the problem. Scott from DishNetwork told me that their boxes check if your TV can accept 1080p/24Hz, and if it thinks that it can't sends the signal at 1080i/60Hz.

My TV can take 1080P/24Hz, but still the signal from the box comes at 1080i/60Hz. What this means is that the 1080p video is processed to 1080i by the box and back to 1080p by the TV.

Anyway, it seems that film, that is encoded at 1080p/24Hz, is then interlaced to 1080i/60Hz for broadcasting, but with metadata tags that allow for a perfect deinterlacing process back to the original 1080p/24Hz. Therefore, it doesn't really makes much difference if the input to the TV is 1080i or 1080p, as what you see is 1080p/24Hz anyway.

Conclusion: DishNetwork should update the firmware of their boxes so they can be forced to deliver a 1080p signal if chosen, at least so people feels better seeing that the input to their TVs is Full HD.
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