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The end of expensive gaming laptops?

by Dan Ackerman
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Gateway's P-7811FX.

We've just crowned Gateway's P-7811FX the favorite $1,000-plus system in our Back-to-School roundup of laptops available on retail store shelves. Its particularly strong showing reminds us that every once in a while, a new product comes along that forces you to reconsider the conventional wisdom about what computer hardware should cost. (A prime example being how the new netbook category has redefined small, low-power laptops from $2,000-plus executive toys to sub-$500 impulse purchases.)

PC gaming, despite the lack of action on the software side lately, has been the one reliable area where manufacturers could get away with charging premium prices for premium products. Gaming rigs easily hit the $5,000 mark, but were stuffed with high-end components that delivered unbeatable performance.

Earlier this year, we saw a few 17-inch gaming laptops that managed to offer a decent gaming experience for a lot less than we'd been used to paying. Gateway's 6860FX and the 6831FX both included the then-new Nvidia GeForce 8800 graphics card for around $1,350 -- which we found more than a little mind-blowing at the time. Of course, there were some serious compromises to be made. The older CPUs in those systems were far from high-end, and even the 17-inch displays were cheap -- using a lower 1,440x900 resolution.

We expected more of the same from the latest budget Gateway gaming laptop, the $1,449 P-7811FX, which was just released (and reviewed) this month. Instead, we found that most of our issues with the previous models in the series had been fixed.

Besides sporting a new Nvidia GeForce 9800 graphic card, the processor has been upgraded up to a Centrino 2 Intel Core 2 Duo P8400--not the very top of the line, but close, and more importantly, the screen resolution has been bumped up to 1,920x1,200. Taken as a whole, that makes this new Gateway an excellent value for even high-end PC gamers (it pumped out around 60 frames per second in Unreal Tournament III at 1,920x1,200).

This leads us to wonder if there's room for high-end expensive gaming laptops any more. Are marginal increases in frame rates worth paying three or four times as much?

The only system we've looked at recently that comes close as a gaming rig is one we're testing right now. The new Alienware m17x, at well north of $5,000, pulls out all the stops, going for twin GeForce 9800 cards, the very top-of-the-line Intel Core 2 Extreme X9000 CPU, and two 500GB hard drives. But beyond that, you're mostly paying for extras such as a light-up keyboard and fancy flush touchpad.

To be fair, the Alienware m17x topped 100 frames per second in the same test, and also beat the Gateway (and everyone else) in our other benchmark tests (but not by a huge margin). But can most gamers tell the difference between 60fps and 100fps at 1,920x1,200 resolutions? Do they even care? Or are specialty gaming laptops doomed to become rare, ultra-expensive status symbols, produced in extremely limited numbers?

New York native Dan Ackerman, a former radio DJ turned journalist, has written about technology and music for publications including Spin, Blender, The Hollywood Reporter, and USA Today. He hosts the weekly Digital City podcast and the New York edition of Editors' Office Hours. Dan's new album, Tales Out of Night School, is available now. E-mail Dan.
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by Zen-Masta August 22, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
It's amazing how far laptops have come, even the sub 1000 laptops are really great. You can get sub 1k with a dedicated gpu and it will do pretty well, even a few with onboard video do okay on some games. I'm hoping to pickup a new one come this Black Friday :)
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by Lerianis August 23, 2008 12:14 AM PDT
Hmm...... about Christmas-time, I will be looking for a new laptop (I'm using my fathers and really wish to trade up to a better one with a better graphics chipset) and this might be the answer to my dilemma of super-expensive vs. bargain basement.
by GeneOdyssey August 22, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
Excellent article and video Dan. From reading a bunch of reviews on other sites, from actual owners, this laptop is a REALLY good deal. The fact that you can upgrade the CPU in this thing is just awesome.
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by kevsmail August 22, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
I'm excited about this laptop and will seriously consider buying one if I can determine whether it is shipping with the defective Nvidia GPUs or not...

Nvidia needs to come clean and fully detail all the GPU's and production dates of the defective units!
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by kevsmail August 22, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
I'm excited about this laptop and will seriously consider buying one if I can determine whether it is shipping with the defective Nvidia GPUs or not...

Nvidia needs to come clean and fully detail all the GPU's and production dates of the defective units!
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by Wolfie2k5 August 25, 2008 4:31 AM PDT
This article is asking a pretty silly question. Of course, there's room for high end laptops. Your question is about as silly as asking if Ferrarri and Lamborgini should pack it up because the Chevy Corvette can go just as fast. Yes, it probably can go just as fast but it still lacks something. Style. Penache. Class.
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by logos August 25, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
But how do you compare a Lamborghini or Ferrari, which everyone knows is special just by seeing them to a laptop that other than gaming geeks and seeing the internals, couldn't care less. The only thing that would get most people's attention is the fact that you were dumb enough to spend $5000 on a laptop that will probably be worth only a 1/3 of that in 3 years. If I can run most modern games for the next two years for $1000 on the Gateway, I'd be just as smug as the $5000 crowd because I know I got a bargain; whereas most people that see someone spend $5000 on a laptop that'll eventually become a dinosaur, are just plain nuts!
by irablumberg August 25, 2008 7:54 AM PDT
Just a note to the written and video review. You can purchase a blu-ray drive from Newegg.com for about $330 and install it in the 7811 in about 5 minutes. Follow this link for the correct drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118010.

Ira
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by Dragon_Myr August 25, 2008 8:07 AM PDT
I would like to see more companies competing at this price point. We all know they can do it, but so far Gateway is the only one getting serious at it. Asus is in second with Toshiba in a distant third. Personally, I plan to buy a P-7811FX as soon as it goes on sale. I'm ditching an old $3000 laptop for this one. I could really care less about Blu-Ray, light-up alien faces, and slick paint jobs.
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by rclose11 August 25, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
Well Dan
Take a look at the 17" Asus (who?) gaming machne for just over $1500. Asus makes all those Apple powerbooks you just love.....
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by danielszabo1981 August 25, 2008 9:42 AM PDT
Let me first state that I really enjoy Dan Ackerman's reviews. His enthusiasm really shines through and video reviews don't appear to be a chore for him at all (my apologies to 99% of the other video stars at cnet...but truth is truth. And truth be told, Dan could do this on YouTube and still be better than anybody in-office).

Now, (my biase for Dan acknowledged), I couldn't agree more with the focus point of this article. In lieu of the revolution PC hardware has experienced over the last 24-36 months, the reduction of the "uber-rig" to a "lesser machine & more palatable price point" is an inevitable evolution. We've seen (warning: understatement ahead) considerable gaines and developments in PC hardware, and its mode-naturale at this point to see the price of gaming hardware become more elastic to the consumer.

Long story short: 60fps versus 100fps doesn't warrant a 400% increase in gaming rig premium. Uber-rig doesn't equate to ferrari any more; but it DOES equates to expensive, quick depreciation and being upside down in less than 12 months.
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by Dan_Ackerman August 25, 2008 2:59 PM PDT
Best. Comment. Ever.
by Fil0403 September 10, 2008 7:08 PM PDT
IMHO the HP Pavilion dv7 (which I got for around $1,600) is better. It only (slightly) loses to this one in graphics, RAM, and resolution (Nvidia GeForce 9800 vs. Nvidia GeForce 9600M GT - marginal difference IMHO -, DDR3 vs. DDR2 - marginal difference IMHO, specially being a laptop -, 1,920 x 1,200 vs. 1,440 x 990 - more than enough if you ask me). All the rest:

- better CPU (P8400 2.26 GHz 3 MB L2 cache vs. P9400 2.53 GHz 6 MB L2 cache);
- better built (plastic vs. liquid metal);
- better warranty (1 year vs. 2 years);
- more hard-disk capacity (200 GB vs. 2 x 250 GB);
- more USB ports (3 vs. 4);
- Blu-Ray;
- Bluetooth;
- DriverGuard (stops spinning hard-drives in case of sudden movement, such as fall);
- fingerprint reader;
- integrated triple-bass subwoofer;
- remote control.

IMHO all this makes it better (value).
2 last comments:

1) "lower 1,440 x 900 resolution"? I know computer enthusiasts who use this resolution in 19" screens and find it enough, on a 17" fits perfectly and is more than enough IMHO (more than that, icons and letters get ridiculously too small and it gets simply unworkable IMHO);
2) in the text you (correctly) state that the P8400 is not the very top of the line, yet in the "The good" and in the video review it is refered to as a "high-end" CPU. Let's make it clear: P8400 is *not* high-end (P9400 is, although there are even faster ones).
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by Fil0403 September 10, 2008 7:10 PM PDT
Forgot to mention yet another advantage of the HP over the Gateway (IMHO): the brand (I find HP and their products more reliable than Gateway and their products, not to talk about support).
by midu22 November 8, 2008 6:33 PM PST
You cannot be serious... marginal difference? The 9800M GTS is for hardcore gamers, and the 9600M GT is not. The difference is huge; ask anyone who has tried them both. Seriously, the dv7 should not be considered by a serious gamer; only by those who want to pretend that a joke of a video card only makes a "marginal difference."

With its 128bit memory bus, the 9600M GT cannot utilize all of the 512MB of RAM available to it LOL. With half the pixel shaders of the 9800M GTS as well as other less attractive specs, the 9600M GT is clearly not a video card for serious gamers. You are not going to be able to run as many games at max setting at 1920x1200. Look on any laptop forum; the 9600M GT is nowhere near as good as the 9800M GTS. Not even close.

The P8400 and all Centrino 2 process ARE high-end; the difference in clock speed between the P8400 and the other Centrino 2s will have negligible effects on gaming. Older Centrino processors are not high end... Just because a processor isn't the fastest and most power hungry available does not mean it isn't high end. The P8400 draws an incredibly low amount of power (25W), making it one of the top choices for folks like me.
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