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October 25, 2009 2:39 PM PDT

If you want to be green, get rid of your dog

by Chris Matyszczyk
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They tell us not to drive Hummers.

They tell us to disconnect our cell phone chargers, once our cell phones are juiced. They tell us to switch off our laptops, burn candles rather than electric light, and sail boats rather than fly planes.

But do they ever tell us to wean ourselves off the animals that we cynically use as substitutes for our failed relationships with other humans?

I only ask because an article from the New Scientist has wafted in front of my breakfast bowl and slapped me about my flappy jowls.

Quoting such luminous organizations as the Stockholm Environment Institute at York, UK, the article purports to suggest that our pets have all the eco-friendliness of that Northwest Airlines flight that forgot to land in Minneapolis and just kept on going to Wisconsin.

Please, I understand that dogs and cats are lovely beings that just want to love you and lick you as long as you feed them and wash them.

However, the SEI seems to believe that a cat has almost the same carbon footprint as a VW Golf.

Here is a sentence from the article that I know may make some of you rather unwell: "As well as guzzling resources, cats and dogs devastate wildlife populations, spread disease and add to pollution."

Buddy, if you can't carry the family to the mall, you'll have to go.

(Credit: CC Mike Baird/Flickr)

Yes, I know you thought it was only multinational corporations that do that. So please imagine that there is a book, written by Robert and Brenda Vale, called "Time to Eat the Dog?: The real guide to sustainable living."

Because you are more numerate than me, I will leave you to examine their figures in lascivious detail. However, the Vales estimate that a 4.6-liter Toyota Land Cruiser has an eco-footprint that is less than half that of a medium-size dog.

It is largely to do with the amount of meat and cereal that dogs chow, but this is surely a vale of tears for those who need their dogs in so many different ways: to get exercise, to get companionship and to become attractive to members of their target sex.

In case you are not quite thoroughly depressed by this estimation of our ultimate demise, might I offer you two further calculations from the Vales?

Well, should you own two hamsters, that is the eco-footprint equivalent of your plasma. And one goldfish? Well, it's the energy-sucking equivalent of two cell phones.

To continue this cheery mood for just a little longer, please hark these words the New Scientist quotes-- they were uttered by David Mackay, a physicist at the University of Cambridge: "If a lifestyle choice uses more than 1 per cent of your energy footprint, then it is worthwhile reflecting on that choice and seeing what you can do about it."

The average cat, he estimates, represents 2 percent of a human's footprint. And as for dogs, oh, it really doesn't bear thinking about.

It seems to me, therefore, that you have some harsh choices to make in order to save our world.

Your goldfish or your family plan? Your hamsters or, at the very least, the plasma in your bedroom? Your dog or your Audi?

Your animal companions or your technological ones? Life just doesn't get easier, does it?

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by dude7895 October 25, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
Why don't we just get rid of people instead?
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by twotall610 October 25, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
I totally agree. Limit populations.
by bcarp2010 October 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT
we already know you tree huggers care more for animals than people.
by IllyChan October 25, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
It's not being a tree hugger so much as acknowledging that most dogs are better than a good number of people (come on, who are you going to miss more, that murdering crack-head or Fido?).
by kast5089 October 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT
Yeah, I do care more for animals than for people. People are rude, mean, selfish, arrogant, greedy, and annoying. People don't have an excuse for their ******* behavior. Animals, on the other hand, aren't sentient enough to know the difference. I'll take a dog over a human any day.
by Spartan_458 October 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT
Hey, if we get rid of all the people pushing this "green" crap, we could also reduce our "carbon footprint."
by sailinganfd October 25, 2009 6:32 PM PDT
+1 for population limits.
or is that -1....
by jaguar717 October 25, 2009 9:23 PM PDT
Well of course that's the ultimate goal of the "green" fanatics: make every aspect of life as difficult and expensive as possible, cripple all productive activity, and force us backwards toward the Primitive.

No level of sacrifice will ever be enough. Under the guise of perpetual crisis, they'll demand we give up everything, and force government control into every facet of our lives. Naturally the Enlightened green clergy will be excepted from the crushing taxes, fees, permits, regulations, quotas, and rationing.
by Random_Walk October 26, 2009 8:43 AM PDT
"I totally agree. Limit populations."

We'll start with you and the parent poster. Please have your next of kin inform us when you two have successfully committed suicide.

Thanks in advance for your consideration towards our planet.
by Renegade Knight October 27, 2009 7:56 AM PDT
It in the works for the entire western world. No effort needed. Russia is depopulating rapidly. Europe not quite as fast. The USA would be depopulating but for immigration. The only segments of the US population that have enough kids to grow is Mormons and Hispanics.
by shiningdevil October 25, 2009 2:52 PM PDT
Wow.. >_>
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by alawaiblowfish October 25, 2009 2:57 PM PDT
Here?s a thought?.STOP HAVING BABIES. Why should a pet, with a carbon footprint much less than that of a human, be punished? They have just as much right to the planet as we do. Furthermore, unlike humans, they?re not equipped with the potential to destroy the planet.
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by October 25, 2009 3:10 PM PDT
So...very...true. Humanity is the problem, not the other animals that inhabit this planet.
by ipashchuk October 25, 2009 3:20 PM PDT
Who'll pay your Social Security and Medicare then?
by SteveChicago October 25, 2009 3:21 PM PDT
Like Bender says, "Kill All Humans!!!"
by hockeymanrockshow October 25, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
Brilliant joke. I am so very impressed with your ability to implement irony to make your point. We should all stop having babies so that this beautiful planet stays beautiful for our children, and our children's children... um... wait......

Good thing your parents were not as eco-friendly as you. Then again, I think that would not be such a bad idea. Why don't all the environmentalists with ridiculous ideas stop having children? Problem solved.

Bottom line: Your pet isn't gonna make or break the planet.
by October 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
Ipash: If there're no humans, then there isn't any need for both of those :p

Hockey: I think he meant having SO MANY babies. You cannot deny that the world is overpopulated. Why? Because humanity is multiplying faster then freaking rabbits. If people would either A) take the nessesary precautions when having sex, or B) not have sex, there'd be less mouths to feed, less people to have housing.
by hockeymanrockshow October 25, 2009 5:08 PM PDT
anonymous: Valid point. However, be specific. Humanity in general may be growing fast, but we cannot consider America to be overpopulated. Unless this discussion is being held in India or other Asian countries with insane growth rates, it's really a moot point. America is a very small piece of the puzzle, as far as per-human carbon footprint is concerned. To say American's need to stop having "so many" children without having any reduction in growth rates in, say, most Muslim countries, is like using a piece of gum to plug a hole in a fishnet. There's other things we can be doing before we start capping our population in this country.
by baconstang October 25, 2009 8:44 PM PDT
Well, actually our per person footprint is the largest. 5% of population, 25% of carbon.
by mwellens October 25, 2009 9:10 PM PDT
No more power thirst. That will solve it all.
by zeke225 October 25, 2009 10:54 PM PDT
I agree, destroy the planet to remove all + and - carbon footprints.
by Random_Walk October 26, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
"STOP HAVING BABIES"

You first. Please have your doctor confirm with us that you have undergone a successful castration/hysterectomy.

Thanks in advance for your consideration towards the planet.
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by brettlegree October 25, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
Maybe you just need to feed your dog something that you didn't buy at a store? Could be an idea, eh?
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by mRfung October 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
Bingo, correct reply.

Join a community people. If everyone didn't stay in the their homes just watching TV or surfing the net for hours or obsessing over a career that is running the world into the ground, try growing a little of your own food. All you need is a yard, or a group of people who share the responsibility of a section of an urban garden. Growing your own food is key in balancing the planets overly consumer based collective mindset. A respectable, reasonable and responsible decision making process and some self sufficiency (and the practice there of, use it (rights) or loose it) is the only way to maintain our freedom and independence.

This way having a dog would be sustainable with a much smaller fart and poo footprint. AND governments and corporations wont tax us or control us for our "right" to have a Dog or Cat.
by Nocturnex October 25, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
i think he meant along the lines of "beef" instead of "dog chow" but starting your own garden works too....i welcome our vegetarian dog overlords /rolls eyes
by Tripfisk October 25, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
If you have to ask yourself "Your animal companions or your technological ones?" you're taking this going green thing way too seriously.
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by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT
If you read an article titled "Technically Incorrect" and took it seriously, you're taking this thing way too seriously.
by Police_States_of_America October 25, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
want to reduce your carbon footprint? kill yourself

people spend too much time worrying about the trifles...
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by atomD21 October 25, 2009 7:03 PM PDT
This whole "going green" thing reminds me of the huge environmental push in the late eighties and early nineties. Does anyone remember all that fuss? Recycle everything? Never use Aerosol, you're burning a hole in the Ozone Layer!! Captain Planet! Once it got old, people moved on to something else. I believe we need to start being a bit more responsible in our energy consumption and maximize our use of renewable resources, but it is starting to become extreme. Besides, who wants to (or can) spend two to three times as much on stuff just to "go green?" Make the green stuff the same price as the other and we'll buy it!
by sevence06 October 26, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
I don't know where this misconception comes in that being environmentally minded means spending more. Yes, you will be charged extra to purchase an organic hemp Prada bag; yes you will have to pay a premium for your hybrid Escalade. But being green is not exclusive to material purchases (I don't own a hybrid). It's a lifestyle. It's choosing to ride the subway instead of driving to work. It's purchasing a reusable water bottle instead of buying a 35 pack of Deer Park every three weeks. And if you say being green is oppressive, then fine, don't do it. But you can't honestly tell me that doing something as simple as turning off the light before you leave a room is "reverting back to the stone ages." You're just being lazy. And while you're being lazy, I'll be saving money with my financially conscious, "tree-hugger" lifestyle.
by odubtaig October 26, 2009 3:54 PM PDT
Holding up aerosols and the Ozone layer as an example of people moving on because they got bored is not going to help your argument Atom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

Yes, many Ozone Depleting Substances (OSDs) were banned worldwide. All that can be done, has been done. People are going to move on; to problems that something still needs doing about.

So, problem solved and the Ozone Layer will healing up nicely.

Excellent demonstration of your complete ignorance there.
by jimmyhoops October 25, 2009 3:11 PM PDT
I'll offset my dog's carbon foot print in appropriate ways. But getting rid of him is out of the question. Suggesting that the world be rid of pets is ridiculous! This whole line of thinking will be antiquated very soon.

New technologies that require NO carbon to produce electrical output are soon to come online. Nicola Tesla's vision of free energy is soon to become a reality. And if you don't think this is possible in your lifetime, then I strongly suggest googling "the Orion Project". Soon power producers will be out of business and humanity will be left wondering what all the fuss was about to begin with.
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by odubtaig October 26, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
Oh, New Scientist. It's not peer reviewed, it often favours sensationalism over balance and it regularly presents fringe theory as though it were fact. My missus, with a degree in Physics, spits at the mere mention of the rag. I've learned not to do that indoors :oP

I'd like to see these domestic pets compared both to children and wild animals and see who's first to volunteer in the campaign to say people can't even have one child (especially one that grows up to have a car and eat meat), or that all wild elephants must go.

I'm not sure about this Orion project (saying and doing are two quite different things and I've seen too many 'breakthroughs' that came to nothing. Show me the finished product) and I believe things will get worse before they get better but I do believe that we can get through this without it being a constant game of self-flaggelation. I also don't believe in ridding ourselves of everything and anything that uses resources because, damn, if that wouldn't mean getting rid of all of human civilisation.

Sustainability is the key word.

Besides, how much of this pet carbon footprint is down to technologies which we are already working to replace with more sustainable alternatives?
by Random_Walk October 27, 2009 6:17 AM PDT
"New technologies that require NO carbon to produce electrical output are soon to come online."

Err... yeah. Right. So it's going to run off of Fairy Dust and Unicorn Farts, right?

(my employer makes solar panels. Ab't 200MW worth of them per annum. You don't want to see the electricity bill, and the metal frames didn't spontaneously make themselves out of bauxite...)
by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
NEVER underestimate the power of unicorn farts.
by billckr October 25, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
But do they ever tell us to wean ourselves off the animals that we cynically use as substitutes for our failed relationships with other humans?

froyden slip?
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by atomD21 October 25, 2009 6:57 PM PDT
That's Freudian Slip, in reference to Sigmund Freud.
by jaguar717 October 25, 2009 9:26 PM PDT
Hey, we're trying to have a discussion about forcing our "green" views on others.

This is no place for silly factual correctness!
by roryk27 October 26, 2009 5:31 AM PDT
I thought it was "fraudulent" slip.. in reference to the great fraud, Sigmund Freud.
by ipashchuk October 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT
I think we need more carbon dioxide, if you ask me. Carbon dioxide is essential to life. It's a good thing that the carbon hysteria doesn't have the potential of affecting the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (since over 99% of emitted carbon dioxide is not tied to human activity) -- otherwise, we would be in a big mess. Why don't we deal with real problems like poverty and disease?
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by tektaktyks October 25, 2009 4:29 PM PDT
yea,feed the cats to poor,two birds,one stone...
by baconstang October 25, 2009 8:29 PM PDT
Feed trolls to the poor.
by Kalemanzi October 26, 2009 3:04 AM PDT
I agree. This Carbon hoohaa is a bunch of hogwash. All those Billions countries are forced to "invest" into the fight against global warming actually goes into the salaries of idiot scientists who studied years and years to loose their human understanding and reasoning so that they can be puppets of the fat cats that control society and instill even more fear into the dull minded unthinking general newspaper believing citizens. The money the US has put into the 'fight' against global warming is enough to give clean running water to every living human being on earth that does not have it. Think about that.
by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:03 PM PDT
Think bigger people. Feed the cats to the dogs, the dogs to the trolls and the trolls to the poor. Everyone is happy (well, everyone except the cats, dogs and trolls).
by ECOBIZA October 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
All of this cabon footprint BS is just that...total BS. Wanna green up the environment? Get rid of just about every Congress Critter currently holding office. They no longer represent the people or common sense! As for getting rid of animals because of their "carbon footprint"...geeze i can't believe the public is so stupid to fall for all of this total junk science that elitist snobs like Al Gore is waving in front of your noses! He just wants to make sure he and his family and future family mambers are guaranteed an income generated from this fraud being perpetrated upon the planet by these parasitic elitists who use taxes as their personal welfare system.
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by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:05 PM PDT
Don't be like that elitist snob Al Gore (especially around Halloween!), be like George Bush. Declare war on the environment and nuke it from orbit 'cuz it's the only way to be sure!

Tacos rule!

:D

(Sorry about that sarcasm meter. Send me the bill. LOL)
by mdoyle13 October 25, 2009 3:39 PM PDT
Doesn't anyone proofread anymore?
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by SlimGem October 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
With approximately 75 million dogs and 88 million cats in the U.S. consuming who knows how much resources, I would say this article has some validity to it. Many pets in this country have better food, medical treatment, and living conditions than most humans in the world. We could easily reverse this illogical situation by taking advantage of this abundant source of protein. Yummy!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/pet_overpopulation_and_ownership_statistics/us_pet_ownership_statistics.html
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by nouser October 25, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
Soylent Green.
by ocmakan October 26, 2009 1:10 AM PDT
To be honest I don't understand why a pet is much more important than a human being. Look I don't hate animals, I also agree that they should not be abused or mistreated, I also like plants, BUT if I had to choose to save a human, a dog/cat/bird/what ever or a tree, I think it is only natural to choose for the saving of a human because that would be HUMANE thing to do.

An animal does not have the same consciousness as we humans do. I mean what would be the worst case scenario if people wouldn't have petsThey at least have internet. (>.<)

@SlimGem :And I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to eat a cat/dog or any other pet, that is disgusting. There is plenty of cow, sheep, chicken and fish to eat (ok we are at a point where we're overfishing the oceans, but that's a total different discussion) so no need for other kinds of meat. Unless you want to be sick of course.
For those people who wants to be energy efficient you should not eat carnivorous animals( see for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_(ecology) ).
by SmilingBob October 26, 2009 1:31 AM PDT
HA good job using wikipedia as your sources
by ocmakan October 26, 2009 8:31 AM PDT
@ SmilingBob:
What I meant was a biological perspective of energy efficiency I would have to explain what it is and in this case it was easier to post a wikipedia link then explain the whole thing. And it does suffice in that so I don't see a reason not to use Wikipedia. ;)
by Random_Walk October 26, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
You missed one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism

...so how much do you weigh?
by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:10 PM PDT
I'm certain he's a scrawny tree hugging liberal Random. Probably gristly too, definitely not good eatin.

;-)

(Disclaimer: I'm a liberal too. Maybe even a tree hugger. But I'm definitely not scrawny, neither is my sense of humor.)
by linuxdood October 25, 2009 4:00 PM PDT
You people are sick. What would the dog and cat population be without human intervention? Non-existent. Please, be real. This is a real issue. The pet population is a very serious issue. Feel free to leave the human species.
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by Tripfisk October 25, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
The pet population isn't a serious issue when it comes to being green, that's just being over dramatic and over hyping the Go Green thing as a whole.

If you're worried about pet population promote having your pets spayed or neutered, not getting rid of the concept of owning pets due to going green, that's just laughable.
by murph0613 October 25, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
Feel free to quote your sources that can substantiate that the cat and dog population would be non-existent without humans. Until you do, you will remain one of the only wackos that really think the pet population is an issue (I used to watch Bob Barker, I have all my pets spayed and/or neutered). You seem to be the one who has an issue being a human. What human can't love a puppy? I would say it is you who has already left the human species.
by Random_Walk October 26, 2009 1:17 PM PDT
"What would the dog and cat population be without human intervention? Non-existent."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Wild_Dog

...of course, this does not count various other members of the Canid family (wolves, coyotes, etc), or the Feline families (lions, tigers, jaguars, north american mountain lions, bobcats, leopards, etc etc etc etc...)

In fact, I can easily venture to say that dogs and cats which go feral -- assuming they hadn't been spayed/neutered first -- survive and reproduce just fine without any human help at all.
by bcarp2010 October 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
Yes, we already know you tree huggers care more for animals than people.
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by sdipaola October 25, 2009 7:39 PM PDT
To be scientifically correct, humans are animals, always were. So your statement "care more for animals than people", would mean all animals rather than just the subset people. You might have meant other animals. :).
by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
Yes, we already know you neocons believe "kill them all and let God sort them out". Actually, maybe that would work, the Earth's climate wouldn't be an issue anymore if everyone and everything on it was dead.

LOL.
by murph0613 October 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT
HAHAHAHAHA!!! That is not only hilarious, but also the biggest pile of (cat/dog) feces I have ever read! Seriously, there seem to be quite a few "scientists" who need to focus on making a real contribution to society, rather than worrying about the "carbon footprint" of a household pet. I wonder where these idiots learned their "science"?

And Slim, you are seriously sick in the head. Take your whiny "the world isn't fair and equal" diatribe over to the Huffington Post. You'll find a much more receptive audience to garbage like this. I willingly sacrifice my hard earned money to provide food and health care for my pets. It's my money; it's my choice. If you want to choose to not have pets, and instead, take the money you would have spent on a pet to someone else's health care or food supplies, have at it. You're obviously a much better person than the rest of us who choose to love a dog.
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by jture October 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
My cats aren't going anywhere. Some of these egghead theorists need to reacquaint themselves with real life.
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by jture October 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT
My cats aren't going anywhere. Some of these egghead theorists need to reacquaint themselves with real life.
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by murph0613 October 25, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
Studies also show that dog ownership lowers human heart rate and can increase the quality of human life, as well as the quantity of it. Anyone who advocates ridding the world of pets must've grown up in a household that never had any. "How sad, that you couldn't love a puppy!" -Jamie Lee Curtis, in "Fierce Creatures".
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by coffeecan October 25, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
Gee, Murph0613, you're overwhelming us with your animal and human philosphy experts.
Bob Barker and Jamie Lee Curtis?

And you're critizing legitmate scientists?

Who else do you have in your bag of puppy chow?

Sounds like you and jakedog030 should hang out and skateboard together, after you get together with
Spicole over at Ridgemont High.

I love and respect animals but I don't have much respect for a lot of animal owners.
Too many of them are like parents of spoiled children. They don't have respect for other people and properties.
"It's my dog and he can do as he wants, when he wants, where he wants, etc., etc."

Not in my animal world! Moe. Or are you Curley?
by coffeecan October 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT
Murph0613,
You really sound like a nice person. I apologize for the smart azz remarks. You sound like a real animal lover and most likely a respectful one too. I just couldn't resist taunting you concerning your references.. I probably am acting like a Spicole. Take care.
Coffecan.
(also spell correction=legitimate)
by Dalkorian October 27, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
People on 'ludes should not post.
;-)
by cydcharisse6 October 25, 2009 4:21 PM PDT
If you nuts are serious about being green get rid of your computers.
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by gerrrg October 25, 2009 4:24 PM PDT
Having children in fact, produces a greater carbon footprint.

So don't have children....SEI.
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by Renegade Knight October 27, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
Western Civ would do a great job shriking in population and reducing it's foot proint. All the rest of the wrold will fill the void.
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