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October 24, 2009 11:17 AM PDT

Windows 7: Whose idea was it really?

by Chris Matyszczyk
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In many countries around the world, there are people who have come out and claimed Windows 7 as being their idea.

Microsoft chose to reveal in its new advertising that the operating system is one that came about because the people demanded it, because the people created it.

And in the process, they hope Windows becomes the people's brand rather than their injury-prone Elton brand.

Yet, as the week of the launch winds down and the hard graft of daily selling begins, it seems instructive to examine just a couple of nuances in the campaign.

Here are two spots, one from Australia and one from the U.S. Both feature individuals who claim that the Snap feature of Windows 7 was their idea.

In the U.S. version, we see Jack, who seems to be a slob. Baggy t-shirt, baggy jeans and, who knows, a baggie in one of the pockets.

Jack claims he had the idea for Snap in the shower. Jack wears his glasses in the shower.

Jack's wife is glumly tolerant and reveals that not only did Jack immediately inform Microsoft of his fine solution, but that he also had to tell his mother. Being American, it seems, means having issues.

By contrast, there's Kevin. Kevin is an Australian who claims that it was, in fact, he who invented the Snap feature.

Kevin is seated in a rather nice waterfront cafe. His shirt is pressed, his gaze determined. Kevin reveals that he got an early look at the streamlined Windows 7 and this forced him to cogitate to great depths.

Unlike Jack, who thinks naked in the shower, Kevin thinks topless on the beach. And the thought he had was "streamlinier." Yes, a new word to define just how much more streamlined Windows 7 is with the Snap feature.

Kevin is so convinced of his genius that he believes the product should have been called Windows Kevin.

So which of them do you believe? Was it Jack's idea? Or Kevin's?

Is Windows 7 the invention of a slobby chap whose first thought is to tell his mother how clever he is? Or is it the creation of the rather slick Kevin who believes not only that he is rather clever, but that the product should bear his name?

The Ordinary Joe or the Extraordinary Egotist? Which of those encapsulates Windows 7 best?

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.

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by henebry October 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT
If you listen closely to their accounts, neither one actually takes credit for coming up with the ?Snap? feature. They claim to have provided the sort of vague suggestions ?make it simpler,? ?make it streamlinier? that clients submit all the time to Dilbert, driving the software engineer crazy.

What?s strange about this ad campaign is that it states plainly that Windows 7 was ?created by all of us? but then goes about undermining that claim by showing us people whose suggestions appear to have been about as helpful as your run-of-the-mill focus group.
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by dadsgravy October 24, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
You know none of it is real right? That it was created by Microsoft and their hardware partners. You know that right?
by toosday October 24, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
You all read far more into the ads that I ever would! Seeing the billboards and commercials, I just thought it implied that Microsoft listened to their customers' feedback and implemented it into Windows 7.
by baconstang October 24, 2009 11:16 PM PDT
Just as "real" as the laptop hunter ads.
by jam3s0n October 24, 2009 11:34 PM PDT
THIS ARTICLE IS JUNK! Find something more interesting to write...Like how much processing power your computer uses.
[CNET editor's note: Offensive language deleted.]
by jabberwolf October 25, 2009 4:13 AM PDT
This is an ADVERTISEMENT... you are reading into it way too deep.

I agree with dadsgravy that MS usually collaborates with hardware and software vendors.
They kinda dropped the ball on vista ( though I like vista 64) but windows 7 .. was much more intensely collaborated with vendors - hardware, software, down to Intel as well.

Which is a far cry from something like apple, that want others to bend to them, and then take a slice out of their $, for the "'opportunity" to run with OSX.
by Seaspray0 October 25, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
I'm waiting for baconstang or happyswitcher to claim it was all apple's idea and microsoft stole it. Yep. It's just a matter of time.
by samalander October 27, 2009 2:43 AM PDT
@jabberwolf
$ for Apple? Yes, kind of like how the 99 one-time for App store access (hosting, advertising, signatures, payment processors) has been translated into a whole new beast by MS for their mobile developers: 99 PER app submission, PER version, PER device it is to run on. Nice one! LOL
by KillersDad October 24, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
Definitely Kevin - Why would a slop like Jack even care about snapping his windows into a clean uncluttered display - nothing else in his life is uncluttered.
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by cbscowards October 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
It wasn't my idea. The idea I submitted in December of 2007, to allow Remote Desktop connection to Windows Home PCs, was ignored. I wasn't the only one to suggest it either; there was plenty of traffic on the Windows Home Server message boards when we found out that our HOME server could only control PROFESSIONAL computers remotely, even though that was one of the highly touted features in the WHS marketing literature. Many of us filed product enhancement requests with MS.

The WHS team told us that it was a "Windows product decision". So Steve Ballmer says that only businesses should need the Pro version, but then MS cripples a very useful feature from the Home version.

So, the bottom line that that those commercials are a bunch of BS. MS is just trying to build good will since Vista has such a bad image.
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by ronan001 October 24, 2009 2:31 PM PDT
install mesh and you can remote to whatever version you like!
by cbscowards October 24, 2009 2:58 PM PDT
@ronan001

Looks interesting... thanks for the tip.
by CreativeMalcolm October 24, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
Worst part is Jack has a really tight body, who ever decided to put him in those badly fitting clothes should be shot!
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by KillersDad October 24, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
That's just Wardrobe's prejudice towards what a straight, married man would wear. If they dressed him for his body, no one would believe he was married.
by CarlinJ216 October 24, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
I think the videos might be in the wrong order...
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by jhoeforth October 24, 2009 7:06 PM PDT
What can yolu expect? The blog's name is "Technically Incorrect".
by AgentSTS October 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
Why does Microsoft even bother? Their advertising is absolutely pathetic and always has been since their big Windows 95 bash. It's all over-scripted, over-acted drivel and the company should know that they're a household name and that they don't have to spend a dime for people to get the message. They have the monopoly, their products are used in no less than 85% of business and personal computers (excluding the datacenter where their dominance is lower) and even if they closed their doors, turned off the lights and hid in their offices the money would still come pouring in by the billions.

Utter waste of time, money and energy (literally and figuratively). What's next... an advertising campaign for breathing air?
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by Seaspray0 October 25, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
You're just jelous.
by AgentSTS October 26, 2009 12:25 AM PDT
@Seaspray0

Jealous of what? As a shareholder I'm more than irked they're wasting money that could be better spent on improving product quality (or *gasp* even saved) instead of flushing hundreds of millions of dollars on the obviousness that Windows has the market cornered and will for decades to come, despite what the Linux dweebs and the brainwashed Mac minions would have you think. If it wouldn't be a DoJ investigation nightmare, Microsoft should just buy Apple and run it into the ground if they want to flush away huge bags of money for no good reason.
by bonesbautista October 24, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
Seriously? Since the first two First Lauren "ads" came out and the tall bald guy was outed (then blurred out in the latest First Lauren ad), any MS ad is just bullhucky. Win 7 is just the latest Vista SP - and what Vista should have been in the first place. M$ needs to stop touting the OS and get back to work on SP1 and lowering the cost of its overhead.
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by KillersDad October 24, 2009 3:21 PM PDT
Ummm, isn't overhead always cost?
by myles taylor October 24, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
Kind of a minor feature and a little annoying if you ask me. Who wants to have to drag their windows one by one over to the side in order to get them to snap into place. What I'd like to see is a marriage of that and Apple's Expose. You press a button and all the windows "snap". Press it again and they go back to the way they were. Where Expose fails is that you can't continue to use the windows while they are in Expose. Snap fails in that it makes you grab every window.
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by B-Ri October 24, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
That would never work. Apple is allergic to buttons. They keep removing them at every opportunity. But seriously, I think you miss the point with this feature. I love Expose but Apple needs to improve the way they do window resizing. I feel that windows takes the lead in this with this new snap feature. I can think of a ton of cases where I've needed a side by side window arrangement and in Windows this is now a "snap". I can see some cool ways to do this for apple though. Take the great way that they deal with lists on stuff like the iPhone. I think maybe they should do something where you drag a window and flick it to the side of the screen. That would be cool. Apple get to work on that please.
by okeif-2009 October 25, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
It's obvious from your comment you have neither used this feature or Windows 7. But, allow me, an actual user, to enlighten you.

These tools are a boon to productivity. Being able to quickly and easily move windows out of the way (Aero Snap), maximize windows, see what windows I have open (Aero Peek), and get rid of all windows save for the most important (Aero Shake) helps out tremendously by saving time and keeping my workspace more organized.

Furthermore, you must take the Microsoft development teams for complete dolts: yes, there are keyboard shortcuts--why they're not in the videos is anyone's guess.

Win Key + left arrow = Snaps active window to left; Win Key + right arrow = Snaps active window to right; Win key + Up arrow = Maximizes only the active window; Win key + down arrow = Minimizes the active window to the taskbar. And they even made the hotkeys multiple monitor compatibile by adding the Shift key to the combo.

Win key + home = Clears all but the active window (Sort of like Aero Shake); Win key + space = all open windows become transparent so you can see the desktop (Aero Peek - Great with widgets!).


Just google search Windows 7 hotkeys.
by Seaspray0 October 25, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
They didn't incorporate my idea. I wanted to be able to configure a wireless network to connect when the operating system starts so that it could pick up machine and user policies (like how you can do with a hardwired connection now). Maybe sometime in the future....
by curph October 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Says most about how Microsoft believes IT is viewed in the respective countries.
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by irperez October 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
You guys sound like people who haven't used Win 7... Alot of people gave their feedback, including me. And they took it in and made decisions about it. This is marketing. Don't get all bent out of shape about it. But the truth is Win 7 is much better and easier. They did listen, to their partners, vendors & customers. Did they do everyone's suggestion in the world, of course not! Don't be an idiot. But they did the things that made the most sense and the most asked for things. If you would just try Win 7 you'd see the difference. Quite frankly you guys sound like Apple fan boys upset that MS came out with a pretty good OS this time around. In fact thats what good competition does, it makes the products that the consumers get better. The Win 7 OS should make Apple go back and make a better OS for the Mac. And then it goes back to MS with their improvements. I'm all for Mac boosting its popularity and market share. Because it makes Windows better. And thats what Win 7 is the result of. Anytime competition makes a product I use better, I'm all for it.
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by Some_Crazy_Guy October 26, 2009 1:23 AM PDT
"The Win 7 OS should make Apple go back and make a better OS for the Mac. And then it goes back to MS with their improvements. I'm all for Mac boosting its popularity and market share. Because it makes Windows better. And thats what Win 7 is the result of. Anytime competition makes a product I use better, I'm all for it."

"And lo, once thy words were said the light pierced through thy cloud of flaming, and Windows/Apple fanboys were able to see the light, and not be blinded by their ignorance in the dark. For lo, they were enlightened now! No longer did they have to quarrel with one another, for they now knew that they could accept their differences, because they knew, even in the end, that by improving upon themselves they will both achieve improvement in their OS. And as the Linux kingdom looked far into the distance upon the celebration for the Apple/Mac fanboys, they soon figured out that everyone, including themselves, could coincide peacefully. The OS war....had finally ended."....I wish. Yeah kinda tired and just had to throw something in like that, but you bring up a good point irperez.

Now all we need is like 800,000 more statements like that that instead of flaming left and right, and forums might just be a happier place for all of us.

But I could of sworn I've seen an ad like the US one today, except it was a different person, not the guy listed above. Must have a few different ones for each country then.
by sdipaola October 24, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
it is called advertising. what is the point of this article at all? It is as real as they high paid creative director of MS ad house want it to seem. You are drink too much kool aid.

On another note, MS has never had a reasonable clue about tech advertising. Always making this form of non innovative white bread ads to go along with their no design lgo and product design. Except of course for a brief rip in the space time continuum where they went completely in the other direction when the richest man in the world and jerry senfoeld would go to rednecks houses for dinner - now they were classic.
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by lazycat202 October 24, 2009 1:27 PM PDT
it is advertising!! that's all!
I voted for Bush and he messed up.
Ive voted for Obama and he still doesn't do a good job.

Stop complaining!!!
by Super2online October 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
Who made it, matters not. Who buys it, installs it, and uses it does. That question is being answered as we speak.
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by ronan001 October 24, 2009 2:35 PM PDT
are you yoda?
by ronan001 October 24, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
well microsoft have obviously created a top quality product if this is the only thing you can nitpick.

i really dont care about the adds, write a constructive article about the product.
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by Mweaver2k9 October 24, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
If M$ listened to us, then the classic start menu would be available in Win 7. There would be an option to get rid of the ribbon in Office or at least customize it. And there would be the option to remove Libraries, Homegroup, and Favorites from Windows Explorer.

I find it hard to believe that there was more noise and buzz about "snap" than the above mentioned items.
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by krushyou October 24, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
You are the minority, that's why they didn't listen to you...nothing personal but it was designed with the user in mind but there is no way to accommodate every single user so majority won on this...I believe you can remove libraries and homegroup with a regedit but that's up to you.
by korbycon1 October 24, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
soo basically you want the option to remove windows 7 from windows 7..?
by shane--2008 October 24, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
"soo basically you want the option to remove windows 7 from windows 7..?"

it is an MS product. That might be safest way to run it.

in fact i recommend either installing a random linux over top of a clean wipe or just buying a Mac and getting it over with.

maybe someone could try sending in a nice general "make an OS that isn't a POS" comment to Microsoft and be in the ad for their next system in about 2015...
by Mweaver2k9 October 24, 2009 6:26 PM PDT
There is a way to accommodate and it's called options. And yes, there is a reg hack to remove libraries but that's not MS listening to us.

Libraies and homegroup don't make Win7, Win7. You're sadly mistaken if that's what you think.
by fletchb October 24, 2009 11:11 PM PDT
Well he is saying (in a subtle way) that MS doesn't really listen and basically does what they want-users be damned (ie office 7 and the ribbon). Yes it's just an ad but why not use an ad that is actually true?
by fletchb October 24, 2009 11:29 PM PDT
He is certainly not in the minority about the ribbon which was forced on users without any way to undo it without spending $$$ for 3rd party repair program. Instead they just run silly ads showing people who claim streaming was their idea and the internet is a bunch of tubes.
by SergeM256 October 24, 2009 3:01 PM PDT
May be real inventor could sue these two actors for claiming credit for his invention. I guess real inventor is some middle-age, bald, office-rat type of guy, not suitable for TV.
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by ij57 October 24, 2009 3:43 PM PDT
Whoever invented it is of no concern to me.
I'm just enjoying their nakedness.
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by Mergatroid Mania October 24, 2009 4:03 PM PDT
You offend me.

"In the U.S. version, we see Jack, who seems to be a slob. Baggy t-shirt, baggy jeans and, who knows, a baggie in one of the pockets."

Just bcause they guy is wearing comfortable clothes you assume he's a slob and might "have a baggie in his pocket".

And just because he actually takes time to talk to his mom you say Americans must have issues?

How about if I go you one further and say that, based on your article, I would assume you are a snob?
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by artistjoh October 25, 2009 2:05 AM PDT
You are joking surely. I suppose not since you take the lighter side of life so seriously. But then again since both Kevin and Jack are dressed comfortably and casually lets be real here and make a comparison. Kevin's version of comfortable looks like a snappy young man with taste, but it is hard not to look at jack's attire and get an impression of someone who doesn't particularly care about his appearance which is a polite way of saying a bit of a slob. And his wife's comment that he had to tell his mother was presented in the vein of a guy with mother issues like Ray Romano rather than your characterization that he merely takes time to talk to his mom.

Okay so the baggie in his pocket might be gratuitous, but then I, along with 99% of the other readers of this article took it as a natural part of the tongue-in-cheek humor of the essay. But then I must be odd - I saw the ads as light and humorous presentations of the idea that Microsoft wants people to know that they are listening. It seems a lot of the commenters here took the ads too seriously. There are far too many humorless situations in life already without adding to it by getting upset over little things like this.
by corelogik October 24, 2009 5:00 PM PDT
All these ads prove are that most major corporations in general and Microsoft in this particular instance, need to find a new ad agency. Those ad agencies in fact, could use a pretty big re-vamp themselves. Who the hell writes this crap? and what does it say about the companies that buy/authorize it?

Pathetic. Keep treating your customers and viewers as children and morons, and we will continue to hate and despise you.

Have a nice day.

P.S.
Anyone who actually believes that either of these guys are trying to claim credit for "inventing" features in Win 7, needs to have their head examined. Anyone who believes that Microsoft actually listened to any of the feedback, also needs their head examined. The feature set was already set long before anyone outside of Redmond heard of Win 7. It always is. You don't really think they would accept ideas and potentially open themselves to liability for using someone elses idea without compensation do you? If you do, you need your head examined.

It never ceases to amaze me the load of crap people will swallow if it's sufficiently polished for them in advance.
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by Norseman October 24, 2009 5:02 PM PDT
Who invented getting rid of the registry? Oh, I forgot........
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by CyberShepherd October 24, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
Dumb ad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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