October 14, 2009 4:41 PM PDT

Poland launches Auschwitz page on Facebook

by Chris Matyszczyk
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When I lived and worked in Warsaw, Poland, just before the turn of the century, I had a client who was about to make a TV spot. The client insisted on a Polish director. We offered the name Marek Dawid.

"Who's his DP (director of photography)?" the client asked.

"Pawel Edelman," was the answer.

"Oh, I'm not having two Jews on my shoot," came the reply, which was both stunningly anti-Semitic and frighteningly stupid, as Edelman went on to be DP on such movies as "The Pianist."

I tell this story only because Poland, despite its pride in being the only European country occupied by Nazis that didn't have a collaborator government, is not devoid of anti-Semitic attitudes.

This is why many will welcome the creation of an Auschwitz Facebook site.

Auschwitz, a very real place indeed.

(Credit: CC Lumiere/Flickr)

According to the BBC, the authorities at Auschwitz, as bleak and frightening a place as you can ever visit, view the site as an experiment but hope that it will be a lasting reminder to younger generations of the concentration camp's painful significance in history.

Pawel Sawicki, a museum official at Auschwitz, told the BBC, "If our mission is to educate the younger generation to be responsible in the contemporary world, what better tool can we use to reach them than the tools they use themselves?"

These tools are already being used, after all, by those who seek to deny that the Holocaust ever happened, which has led to much controversy as to whether they contravene Facebook's terms of service.

The new Auschwitz Facebook site allows for discussion and, as yet, nothing has been posted by deniers.

However, it will be interesting to see whether, over time, it will serve as a lasting reminder when there is no one still alive who personally experienced Auschwitz's horrors.

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by SX10 IS October 14, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
No O?wi?cim survivors? You sure about that?

I was under the impression that there still were a select few "eltere yidden vos gait [dunno the word] dei Gehinnom" (old Jews who went through that Hell).
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by James7777777 October 15, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
They said when, referencing the future. There are still many people, many jewish many not who went through that hell. Pretty much anyone living in Poland with an education was sent as they were seen as a threat. I've been to visit Auschwitz and feel that everyone should make the visit at some point.
by SX10 IS October 17, 2009 7:03 PM PDT
Ah... yes, they are dying out. It's a problem with guys like Ahmadinejad around.

I'm sure you realized that I meant to write Oswiecim (the Polish name for Auschwitz), but there is a nonstandard S and E in the name (so it didn't show up).

I did not mean only Jews - however there was no "Endloesung" for gentile groups.
by bob_b0917 October 14, 2009 5:27 PM PDT
Edelman != Poland

You make an incorrect generalization about the people of Poland using one bozo as your example; bad dog. In a tree hugging culture your editors would slap you for that, but I imagine that CNET does want it can to increase the hits even if they start leaning towards the National Enquirer direction of journalism.
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by No Man October 14, 2009 6:00 PM PDT
Did you even read the article? Show me where Chris makes a generalization about the Polish.
by deric_raymond October 14, 2009 8:39 PM PDT
His example obviously proves that Poland is "not devoid of anti-Semitic attitudes."

He didn't say everyone in Poland was anti-Semitic. American is "not devoid of anti-Semitic attitudes" either, but he's not generalizing that American's are anti-Semitic.

You sound like a fool suggesting he did that.
by ecotopian--2008 October 14, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
The link leads to a Facebook search page. It would be better if it lead to Poland's Auschwitz page itself.
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by gggg sssss October 14, 2009 6:27 PM PDT
no "authorities" should be trolling in social media for any form of social engineering. What next, the govt of china will set up a facebook group about how good it is for us to buy chinese crap for christmas?
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by screamapillar October 14, 2009 7:57 PM PDT
Not even for the basis of allowing an avenue for social discord on such a significant event?
by pzev October 14, 2009 7:13 PM PDT
If the Poles are such anti-Semites, how come there are more Poles among The Righteous Among the Nations, non-Jews who risked their lives to save Jews during the Holocaust, than any other country. Poland was the only country in Europe where the Nazi imposed the death penalty for helping Jews yet that did not stop thousands of Poles from so doing. Do you know about Irene Sendler, in Polish Irena Sendlerowa ? She was a Polish social worker who served in the Polish Underground and the ?egota resistance organization in German-occupied Warsaw during WWII. Sendler saved 2,500 Jewish children by smuggling them out of the Warsaw Ghetto and was nominated for the Nobel Peace prize.

You know there was never a Polish SS division but yet there were a French SS as well as Danish, Norwegian, Dutch SS divisions. So how come we don?t keep hearing about the Danish and Dutch anti-Semites. How about the German anti Semites for that matter? Six million Poles were killed in WWII, half Jews and half Gentiles so all Poles suffered from German Nazi atrocities. Auschwitz itself first was used as a concentration Camp for Poles before becoming a Jewish death camp.
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by screamapillar October 14, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
I believe the article commented that Poland was one of the only non-collaborating governments with the nazi regime to have concentration camps... you should read the article before you jump on your 'be offended first, ask 2nd' wagon. No one, including the author, was suggesting Poles are racist or anti-semetic. Quote the contrary - he commented on being surprised that there was any anti-semetism in Poland. He was mrerely commenting that this facebook site was not a bad thing because it opened that avenue for discourse - clearly the site creators believe there is sufficient anti-semetism to merit the site. Chris didn't make the site.
by ana_bee October 15, 2009 2:48 AM PDT
jeeeez, of course, immediately the discussion about whether Poles are anty-semitic or not.

The "Poland, despite its pride in being the only European country occupied by Nazis that didn't have a collaborator government" is a generalization, though. I don't pride myself on that, thank you very much. We've got a lot of more recent achievements to be proud of (if everything has to come down to national pride)

doesn't any one feel it's slightly morbid to have an Auschwitz page on facebook? the site is all about mindless fun, the likes of build your mafia games and how lucky are you today tests... not sure, just a feeling.

as for what the author meant and whether he was expressing a surprise or not, why doesn't the author tell us, huh?
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by donsms October 15, 2009 4:56 AM PDT
Why do people continue to make uninformed comments before reading the article first ?, Is it that hard to read what the author wrote instead of just reading the title and a couple of sentences ?
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by Magallanes October 15, 2009 6:17 AM PDT
Is funny how a *specific group of person* took the virtual monopoly of the second world war as the almost unique victim of such war.

For heaven sake, the russian suffered the worst of the war, also they was key to finish the war (the "Day-D" was a flop).

Regard.
A citizen that is pissing off to heard about the so called holocaust.
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by zlevee October 15, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
Peopel like you totally miss the point. Even if "Russians" or some other collective made up of diverse members died in large numbers while serving in the armed forces, they were not a uniform group of civilians singled out for being born. There was no proposed "Final Solution" written and disseminated advocating the extermination of "Russians". People like to point out that other groups also went to the death camps, like gypsies. True, but the numbers (200,000) don't come anywhere near the magnitude of the number of Jews killed simply for being Jews (6,000,000). The fact is, the European Jews, civilians rounded up and slaughtered for their birth, whether you want to acknowledge it or not were the "unique victim".
by SX10 IS October 18, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
Indeed. The only Endlösung was at Wannsee, and only referred to the Jews.

Apparently your grandmother wasn't orphaned of her father at age 4.
by PolakMaly07 October 15, 2009 7:14 AM PDT
I was born in Poland. I have lived there for 18 years. When I came to the US I was told by a Jewish doctor that I hate Jews. It came to ma as a BIG surprise since he did not know me personally. Please stop making comments about Polish Jew haters that propagate the stereotype. As far as I know Poland does not have monopoly on stupidity and there is plenty of stupidity to go around everywhere. Please don't add ignorance to the list.
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by SX10 IS October 18, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
You have to realize that the Jews suffered heavily at the hands of their gentile neighbors over the years and therefore are particularly wary. Especially the Poles and other Europeans, many of who collaborated with the Nazi regime during WWII, causes Jews to be fearful. Just as many Americans feared Arabs and Muslims after 9/11. While this doctor was certainly wrong, you cannot truly blame him.
by RoseEmilio October 15, 2009 7:57 AM PDT
The author is praising Poland for launching this site. The headline is "Poland Launches Auschwitz Site on Facebook." Poland also maintains the real life site/memorial/historical preservation of this site to educate the world on horrors that it took no part in, as a nation. The author has lived in Poland, and his lone example of an antisemitic person was meant as - although Poland is not completely perfect (like none of us are), kudos to the country for trying to keep History alive in the 21st century - where so many (especially young people) use social networks as a medium of communication. I truly think this article is kudos to Poland, rather than the way people are reading it.
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by inachu1 October 15, 2009 8:16 AM PDT
A person would be less inclined to wear the badge of antisemitisim if they knew the cult of Nazism stemmed from a cult. I laugh at those who love Hitler and his methodologies.
My german cousin sent me a youtube video of how hitler secretly joined the cult to discredit it but then took the cult over to fashion it as he pleases. The structure of how this was done can awlays be replicated today and into the future when ideas are based on religion.

Imagine all the people living as they should. (Not in todays world.)
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by RompStar_420 October 15, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
People should comment on serious subject such as this, unless you really know things. I was born in Warsaw, Poland and lived there up until about 11, then my parents left because of communism, so I had to follow, not that I wanted to follow, but I had no choice.

Every polish kid went as a school trip to the concentration camp and seen it with their own eye. I my self lived to 3 big cemeteries in the Wola neighborhood on ulica (street) Gibalskiego. A developer there in the mid 80's turned our soccer field into a construction site for an office building, when they were digging trenches for the basements, they found a whole bunch of Jews shot in a hurry with all of their belongings and valuables still on them like gold and diamonds, and such... Later the construction was stopped and a memorial was put up.

If you don't believe me, see it for your self:

Latitude: 52°14'38.06"N
Longitude: 20°58'28.27"E

The brown building, not sure how old these pictures are....

America was never invaded, that's the only experience you guys really lack, and it isn't an experience I wouldn't wish on anyone.
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by SilentThree October 18, 2009 9:14 PM PDT
Thank you for your post; It is useful to hear of the experiences of the younger generation of Poles.

but point of fact, America has been invaded. Twice.

The most recent one was not of much consequence, but during WWII, the Japanese DID occupy Kiska and Attu islands, part of the State of Alaska. They were there for over a year. Technically an occupation of American soil, but admittedly of not much importance.

The first invasion?
During the War of 1812, The British occupied Washington, DC, and BURNED the White House, the Senate and House of Representatives buildings, and the Treasury Building.

agreed that we in the States haven't experiences the full-blown destruction of modern war on our own soil, but we have been invaded.

and you're right; I would not wish the experience on anyone.
by RompStar_420 October 15, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
It is true that in Poland not all poles like Jews, even Poles that are mixed with Jewish blood, most of this has to do with Jews being pushy/demanding people, so they are not liked.

Just so you understand why.
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by cweinbl October 16, 2009 2:52 PM PDT
Jews are "pushy/demanding people?" I am a Jew. Do you know me? You must know me, in order to state that I am "pushy/demanding." Or do you simply assume that I am "pushy/damanding?" Judaism is a RELIGION. Anyone can join or stop at any time. According to your statement, someone who joins the religion must become "pushy/demanding." If this makes sense to you, then I encourage you to find psychiatric help. Of course, in reality, you are a bigot. You dislike Jews, even though you don't know them. You are intolerant. Your attitiude is simply prejudice.

We live in an age of vulnerability. Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews (and others) were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany - most in gas chambers. Holocaust books and films help to tell the true story of the Shoah, combating anti-Semitic historical revision. And, they protect future generations from making the same mistakes.

I wrote "Jacob's Courage" to promote Holocaust education. This coming of age love story presents accurate scenes and situations of Jews in ghettos and concentration camps, with particular attention to Theresienstadt and Auschwitz. It examines a constellation of emotions during a time of incomprehensible brutality. A world that continues to allow genocide requires such ethical reminders and remediation.

Many authors feel compelled to use their talent to promote moral causes. Holocaust books and movies carry that message globally, in an age when the world needs to learn that genocide is unacceptable. Such authors attempt to show the world that religious, racial, ethnic and gender persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny's only hope.

Charles Weinblatt
Author, "Jacob's Courage"
http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/
by nicmart October 17, 2009 11:15 AM PDT
And besides, they kidnap kids and poison wells, right?
by nicmart October 17, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
Scratch a European and reveal an anti-Semite as often as not. I have a good Polish friend living in Utah who is not anti-Semitic. She tells me that when the Polish ex-pats living in Salt Lake City have a get-together they commonly share anti-Semitic jokes.

Check out the comments on this web site:

http://radziejow.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2010-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=15
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