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October 11, 2009 4:52 PM PDT

Marathon winner disqualified for wearing iPod

by Chris Matyszczyk
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I have no idea why people run marathons.

It seems a peculiar act of masochism in which people actually die. (As evidence, might I point to two deaths in the recent San Jose, Calif., half-marathon.)

But many humans seem to enjoy the pain and the sense of achievement they feel when they finally get wrapped up in BacoFoil like a Sunday chicken.

So why should they be prevented from humming along to a little Jo Jo Gunne or being soothed by a lecture from Dr. Sanjay Gupta along the way?

I only ask because in the recent and extremely celebrated Lakefront Marathon in Milwaukee, Jennifer Goebel was disqualified from her rightful position of winner.

According to the Journal-Sentinel, Goebel was garlanded with victory only after Cassie Peller, who actually ran the fastest, was erased from the podium because she accepted liquid from someone who was not manning an official watering station. Which does seem to be on the wrong side of fastidious.

Goebel was then declared to have won. But her afterglow of superiority only lasted a couple of days.

Some no doubt anally mean-spirited individual examined a photo of Goebel taken during the race and noticed an iPod discreetly tucked into her shorts.

Is it safe to run 26 miles and listen to this man?

(Credit: CC Exquisitur/Flickr)

Goebel, a massage therapist in real life, was competing in the elite part of the marathon and these highly tuned women are subject to the whims of the USA Track and Field bureaucracy.

These waxy eared folks frown on the use of iPods while sweating. Well, at least I think they do. It appears that the rule was changed not so long ago to allow race directors the discretion to ignore the rule if they so choose.

Goebel is, understandably, somewhat miffed.

"I wasn't listening to it earlier in the race," she told the Journal-Sentinel. "I wasn't going to put the music on unless I thought I needed it."

And of course she needed it. Running a marathon is the athletic equivalent of knitting a wedding marquee.

As Goebel herself so eloquently put it: "If you're bored, it pumps you up a little bit. Sometimes, on a long training run, I'll bring it along for the last half hour. When I run marathons sometimes I carry it and never put it on."

She only listened between miles 19 and 21, which--if you ask most runners--is the time that you are ready to eat raw elk and physically assault a mail box.

Anyone who believes it will improve their life to don a pair of New Balance and run until their knees squeak like wounded varmints should not be subjected to silly little rules. They should be allowed to eat, drink and listen to whatever gets them to the other end of the experience.

Although perhaps there should be a no Kenny G rule? For safety's sake, you understand.

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by atomD21 October 11, 2009 5:12 PM PDT
Talk about stupid rules... However, I do agree with the no Kenny G rule. Another great one Chris!
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by Devhux October 11, 2009 5:43 PM PDT
Yeah, I don't think it's ever safe to listen to Kenny G...... ever.
by Lerianis3 October 11, 2009 10:43 PM PDT
If I was this woman, I would be thinking of suing the marathon. There is a difference between LEGITIMATE rules and UNlegitimate rules..... the no music rule is an example of the latter.
by jklank October 12, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
If the rules were listed, she cannot claim ignorance. She also cannot claim it is a "stupid" rule after the fact.
by jkofroth October 12, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Update on this story: This weekend at the Al's run in Milwaukee, a friend of the two girls ran in the 8k race. He was leading the race but at the end he would not go over the finish line and would not accept the trophy. That is class.
by flydog431 October 12, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
This is not a "stupid rule." I compete in triathlons and bike races. Depending on the sanctioning body, earphones or music players are banned or severely limited (e.g., UCI allows one earphone only). The biggest reasons are safety and organization. A person listening to music can't hear traffic or directions from course officials. Of a lesser concerns is coaching, which is prohibited by most sanctioning bodies.

As with any rule, breaking it subjects the participant to disqualification. Next time you criticize something, make sure you know what it is you are talking about beforehand. Chris Matyszczyk obviously knows nothing about competition and decided to bless us all with his ignorant rant.
by deric_raymond October 12, 2009 11:38 AM PDT
@flydog:

You're a tool, it's a dumb rule. If it was about safety, they would ban people cheering loudly for the same reason. Rules have to be content neutral: if they want to ban noise inhibitors, they have to ban ALL noise inhibitors, regardless of the source.
by Brent212 October 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
I agree with deric. If you really believe this rule isn't retarded, flydog, you're a tool.
by rrod182 October 12, 2009 1:28 PM PDT
@flydog431

Are deaf people banned as well then?
by No Man October 12, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
@flydog: Your logic is sound. However, if that were really so important to them, why is it at the race director's discretion? Such a rule is begging to be used inappropriately by race officials and creates a significant appearance of impropriety. If they want to ban music players, then fine. Ban them. But don't let it be at the whim of some man who may or may not be receiving an unmarked envelope in his mailbox the next morning.
by Rod Roddy October 12, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
Kenny G should be banned from Earth.
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by Police_States_of_America October 11, 2009 5:25 PM PDT
>she accepted liquid from someone who was not manning an official watering station

this is rather vague. were the rules explicit? did she go out of the way to take the drink? any evidence it was not her friend with a cup full of red bull?
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by goatfinder October 12, 2009 6:17 AM PDT
FYI, anyone truely involved in a marathon is not going to want to drink any red bull.....gatorade maybe, but i dont know any runners who want to tough nasty red bull
by Maclover1 October 12, 2009 7:31 AM PDT
@goatfinder I am pretty sure the red bull comment was meant to mean that maybe she took something in a drink from a friend that would give her some kind of boost that is against the rules.
by Police_States_of_America October 12, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
haha yea, but thats for the insight goatfinder
by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
You'd know if it was red bull...
it gives you wings.

sorry that was pretty bad.
by og_gta October 12, 2009 12:06 PM PDT
lmao @ Mr_fleabite

hey, somebody had to say it
by grundy1963 October 17, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
As far as I know it was actually a cup of Darjeelin tea. The problem wasn't so much the liquid as the china cup and saucer, the tea plate with scones and pastries and the butler carrying the silver tray.
Or maybe I dreamt that bit?
by dbloyd October 11, 2009 6:12 PM PDT
I would like to see someone finish the Marathon near the front holding a big boom box just to make a statement.
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by Ricochet44 October 11, 2009 8:39 PM PDT
Talk about ridiculous. Listening to music is frowned upon while running a marathon?

I think you should cut somebody a break who wants to listen to music, even Kenny G, in order to make running a marathon SOMEWHAT more enjoyable.

And nice blog Chris, it made me laugh while reading it with all your parts about anyone who actually WANTS to run a marathon.
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by Gianni_Simplicio October 12, 2009 9:26 AM PDT
I think the music thing is prohibited because it could potentially allow someone to use the beat to set their pace. You could just have a metronome going and have tracks labeled '5 minute mile' '4:30 mile' etc. so you'd know exactly how fast you're going and time your way to the finish. Of course, I don't know if watches are also against the rules...
by awbomber October 14, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
@Gianni - They all wear watches, and they all check their mile splits religiously. That helps them know if their pace is right on, or if they need to adjust their speed. Music is just a distraction from the pain.
by make_or_break October 11, 2009 9:41 PM PDT
While it may be a stupid rule, it doesn't negate it from being a rule nonetheless. It's Goebel (and all other competitors) responsibility to KNOW these rules, regardless of what any casual observer may think of it. She screwed up, period. End of discussion. And Matyszczyk...well, you certainly qualify as a casual observer, so why you should even BOTHER thinking about this considering your condescending tone about marathons in general is beyond me...other than it involves an Apple product and an excuse for a tech tie-in "news" posting.
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by Lerianis3 October 11, 2009 10:45 PM PDT
Actually, it does negate the rule when it is a STUPID RULE, as I have told my children, other children of my friends, etc. and they ALL AGREE WITH ME, as do their parents.
There comes a time when the 'rules' are illegitimate and should not be enforced because they infringe on another person's rights.
by ikramerica--2008 October 11, 2009 11:56 PM PDT
Lerianis3

Not within the realm of a competition. Competitions are, by definition, contests where everyone entered strives to win while following a set of rules. Stupid or not, all must follow the rules in order to remain qualified. It's called leveling the playing field. It has NOTHING to do with your "rights" as you are volunteering for the competition.

Now, the reality that the rule is only enforced sometimes, and at the discretion of the director, is a different matter. Then it becomes a matter of inconsistency and potential bias.
by goatfinder October 12, 2009 6:20 AM PDT
agreed with "make_or_Break", you're negative tone towards marathons only makes you sound close-minded and ignorant.
by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 6:36 AM PDT
Right because we all know cranking up the tunes turns you into a super human athlete. It's a stupid rule with optional enforcement ***? It should be announced to everyone before the race if it is going to be enforced or not.
by jklank October 12, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
so if your kids think the speed limit of 45 in an area is a stupid rule, because no one uses the road often, so they go 65, and get busted for speeding, you'll take their side?

There's one thing to not liking a rule, and lobbying for change. It's another to acknowledge the rule, accepting it, and then ignoring it.

So by teaching your kids they can ignore rules that they agree upon, you're creating more morons in our society....we have future Darwin award winners in your neck of the woods.

teach them right - they can move to get things changed. But I'm betting you guys don't play boardgames that you buy either - because of all the STUPID rules ;P
by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 8:42 AM PDT
@jklank
Going 65mph in a 45mph zone is not analogous to wearing an ipod during a foot race. The consequences and reasoning behind the law are very different. It is a stupid rule because, (as the article stated) it has optional enforcement clause; however, the article does not say if the racers were informed of this optional enforcement. If the racers were informed, then yes she knowingly broke the rule and must face the consequences. If the racers were not informed, how can you hold someone accountable for a rule that is only sometimes in effect?

FYI if my kid went 65 in a 45, he'd pay the fine and he wouldn't be driving w/ out a parent in the car.

IMHO willful disobedience to CERTIAN rules/ laws is SOMETIMES necessary, I hope I'm successful at teaching that to my children. The application of that willful disobedience must be well thought out and defensible.
by AaronMK October 12, 2009 9:09 AM PDT
I guess some people do not know "tongue in cheek" humor when they see it, or just lack a sense of humor. In this case, that humor helps illustrate how incredibly challenging marathons are, what people it takes people to complete them, and how silly it is to have that negated for someone simply because they listened to an iPod.

True, rules are rules, but I'd imagine there is reasoning to this "iPod" rule not related to the listening to music part. Just like not being able to take water from non-official watering stations is not that water is an unfair advantage, but the potential for sneaking in performance enhancing substances like the aforementioned Red Bull is too great.

One of the other "rules" was to allow race directors the discretion to ignore that particular rule if they so choose. If the director had that discretion, there is probably a good reason. Maybe it's because the real competition is someone's ability to cover that long distance in the fastest time, and that is what they are supposed to be judging first and foremost. That this judge chose to strip a victory for this reason suggests some severe anal retentiveness he needs to take care of, not an ability to determine the real victor of the competition. If the "unofficial water" was a similar circumstance, maybe that victor was actually Cassie Peller, not Jennifer Goebel.
by make_or_break October 12, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
Wimbledon requires every one of the athletes that compete there to wear predominantly white. Now it may be tradition, but if any rule qualifies as stupid, this is one that would fit my bill. My wording was poorly done in my original posting: I should have said "While some may think it's a stupid rule". I personally don't think in this case of the marathon runner that it's stupid AT ALL.

The point of athletic competition--particularly an Olympic-historied event going back to ancient Greece--is to pit the skills and abilities of the athlete against the challenges put forth, whether from the other athletes, the course, the weather, the distractions. It's the endurance--both physical AND mental--of the marathon runner that's being tested here. No, the material on the iPod won't make Goebel an inhuman athlete like a few hits of 'roids can do, but it CAN be used to provide pacing and a set cadence for her to follow, and that's seems to me as artificial and fake as any human growth hormone is. She didn't use her own mental toughness and bring it from WITHIN herself her imagination and memories to drum up the same music to pace herself; she knowingly used an outside stimuli (the iPod) to keep her going through those "tough" miles...she said it herself. And I say: how pure to the spirit of personal endurance and real to the history of individual competition is that?

And what about everyone else who DID abide by that very same rule? "Technically" (I love the irony of the word with regards to this column) she gave herself an unfair advantage, even if many of you see this as something trivial. Goebel is the one whose "incorrect" here, and so is Matyszczyk for not knowing ANYTHING about the spirit of competition and assuming the disqualified runner was the one who was wronged because he feels iPods can never do anyone harm.
by viper396 October 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
Back in High School and College, in Track and Cross Country, any watch or device worn that can allow a runner to artificially keep track of time and pace is usually against the rules. I'm pretty sure most marathon rules are the same. To a runner there is an advantage in knowing your time and pace in a distance run. Those who's only daily physical exertion involves going from a desk to a refigerator will never understand.
by kesskay October 12, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
I don't think this is a completely stupid rule either. In most races, the runners are asked not to use mp3 players so that they can listen to any announcements that are being made. I remember seeing runners in Chicago in 2007 who were listening to their music and continued running even after the race was stopped because of the high temperatures. This is probably the same reason why you should not be using headphones when driving a car.
Having said that, the race director should also use some judgement in deciding when and how to enforce these rules.
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by InkyRed October 11, 2009 11:41 PM PDT
eff them. No one likes stupid.
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by toosday October 12, 2009 12:45 AM PDT
I agree with Make_Or_Break. I don't run marathons, but I do occasionally race, and in every race I've run, the rules state *very clearly* if mp3 players are allowed or not. Stupid rule? Maybe. But it's a rule that was probably stated very clearly and if so, then the runner clearly broke it.

Also worth noting, I've heard two reasons why music may not be as good for runners - one of them is mentioned as a positive in the article above, actually.

1. Safety for others. As runners (and cyclists) get tired, they have to focus in order to not sway into other runners. If a runner is yelling "On your left" and you don't hear them, then you can hurt them and yourself.

2. As Goebel says "it pumps you up a little bit". That's very true. Music pumps you up! It also helps keep the pace for you. But doesn't that give you an advantage over the others who are not hearing the pumping music that you are listening to? To make it fair, everyone should be encouraged to bring music or asked not to.

Btw, I don't run with music, but I don't mind people who do. Music is just a distraction for me.
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by brbubba October 12, 2009 5:24 AM PDT
I think she said it herself what the advantage was, which you so clearly stated. If she felt she gained an advantage from it then it was clearly unfair for the rest of the competitors. My only concern with this as a general trend is if runners started stacking their ipods with pacing tracks, in which case that would provide a clear advantage to most runners.
by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 6:51 AM PDT
"If she felt she gained an advantage from it then it was clearly unfair for the rest of the competitors".

Yes CLEARLY unfair! I feel my lucky socks give me an advantage so this is clearly unfair to everyone I race with?
...I don't know if I have enough lucky socks for everyone in the race, crap.

I guess to make it truely as fair as possible we should all run in our birthday suits on the exact same route while consuming the exact same quanities of water at exactly the same place. If someone wanted to listen to music set to 120 beats per minute for the 3-6 hours it takes them so what. If you really wanted to keep pace you'd just carry a metronome (anything in the rules about that?).
by toosday October 14, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
@Mr Fleabte:
"Yes CLEARLY unfair! I feel my lucky socks give me an advantage so this is clearly unfair to everyone I race with?"

That argument doesn't really hold up because your lucky socks aren't proven to be an enhancement the way music has been proven (by doctors and scientists much smarter than I) to enhance a workout.
by Mr_fleabite October 14, 2009 12:53 PM PDT
@toosday
I was mocking the logic. FEELING you have an advantage does not mean you CLEARLY have one.

Just an FYI my lucky socks have been scientifically tested and proven to give me an edge, its not my fault that none of the scientists survived to publish their findings.
by faceless128 October 12, 2009 3:37 AM PDT
it does seem like a stupid rule, but i can see how some people might be distracted from their surroundings when listening to music while running.

seriously though, rules are rules, and when you enter a contest, you should know the rules. if you don't, it's your fault when you're disqualified.
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by troyoverton October 12, 2009 4:26 AM PDT
If I were a runner, I would want to say that as the race winner I bested everyone top effort. If some tunes help you, (but they don't really give you a physical advantage, a la the RedBull) then bring your tunes. Just keep the volume so that safety is not going to be an issue, like was mentioned above.
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by cloudmatt October 12, 2009 4:37 AM PDT
First total kudos for pulling a Kenny g rip from the past he is the only man to ever make the sax less cool.

Second the first runner of the marathon(the battle of marathon) Died on completion of his task. his dying word Nike(the word for victory, though maybe his feet were just killing him).

as for the story rules are rules sometimes rules suck. Though I agree who cares if she was listening to an i-pod it's not like she snorted a line of coke or did roids.
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by jonathan_bennion October 12, 2009 4:48 AM PDT
This totally reinforces the consumer need for completely wireless headphones (without a massive dongle transmitter) for discreet use in any case..
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by AICAP Group October 12, 2009 5:31 AM PDT
and THEN you put up a HUGE Kenny G Photo, very creepy.........
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by phmatt October 12, 2009 5:33 AM PDT
I think that many of you are missing the point about why people shouldn't wear iPods during competition. All of these individual-type races (running, triathlons, cycling) have strict rules about help from outside sources. As your article states, the first winner was disqualified for accepting water from a non-sanctioned water station.

Even though we can all agree that the basic iPod nano or classic doesn't allow wireless communication with others, there are many small devices that could allow this form of communication. To look at it from a race directors perspective, would you like to check every runners device to make sure that it doesn't allow communication from an external source? I sure wouldn't.

Also, I will agree that when running, music does help push me along, and if I were running a marathon, I might try to break the rules too. That said, I know that there's no way I will actually compete to win the race, so if they DQ me, oh well. Those runners who fall under the elite status should know the rules and abide by them or suffer the consequences.

Again, this has nothing to do with whether runners can listen to music or not (except for maybe the reasons toosday gives). It's about not allowing forms of technology that could possibly give one participant an advantage over the other. Much like we still can't use cell phones on airplanes, it's not because our cells at the moment actually interfere, but that technology is something that is hard to police in these types of situations, so a blanket rule is made instead.
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by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 7:29 AM PDT
What would be the difference between having a coach speak in your ear words of encouragement, pace, time info and that same coach shouting it from the sidelines or holding up a sign with the info as they follow you on your race (I'm not a runner but I'm assuming this is allowed??)? Anyway my point is what could someone say to you that would give you such an advantage that they couldn't yell at you from the sidelines?
Also just a thought what if runners had an ear piece that was tuned into a common freq. that gave race info, updates, water location (you could tune it in or out)?
by jamesohio October 12, 2009 5:55 AM PDT
A spokesperson for the USA Track & Field (the national governing body for running) has said, "Runners need to be aware of their surroundings. There can be runners coming up behind them, or announcements from race officials ... it becomes a safety issue.?

She also said that the track association, which oversees 4,000 events a year, would have to pay higher insurance premiums if it did not enforce the headphones ban.
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by cheinonen October 12, 2009 6:09 AM PDT
As Jamesohio said, USATF provides insurance for all of these races that people participate in every single year. The headphone ban for all of these races is because USATF needs that to be able to provide reasonable insurance rates. If they didn't ban headphones, there wouldn't be races as people couldn't afford to insure them. If you want to use the iPod on your own time, fine, but if you can't run a single race without it, then you shouldn't be running a race.

Also, for the original poster, marathon deaths occur around 1 for every 50,000 runners, which is a very low number, and almost all of them are due to pre-existing conditions that weren't discovered before.
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by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 7:20 AM PDT
I wonder if a single ear phone could work, after all its used and legally required in many states if you want to talk and drive at the same time. Which I'd argue is far more dangerous than running and listening to music.
by October 12, 2009 8:30 PM PDT
How can something pre-exist?

Just a thought.
by JohnLudlow October 12, 2009 6:10 AM PDT
Damn straight - she should have been using an Archos.

<ducks>

:D
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by lamaze October 12, 2009 6:21 AM PDT
I too am a runner, and wish the rule wasn't so. However, I never fail to break it for the reason mentioned above. It's already painful enough to run a marathon. It's even more so to have the achievement erased from the books on account of an iPod. Use it in training. Leave it at home on race day.
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by CaptThom October 12, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
A "no Kenny G" rule? Well, now you're on a slippery slope. What's next, a "no Celine Dion" rule? or a "no Miley Cyrus" rule? Then what? No Manilow, no ABBA, no Vanilla Ice?

Leave Kenny G alone!
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by rdupuy11 October 12, 2009 8:30 AM PDT
yes to all of the above
by USDecliningDollar October 12, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
It has nothing to do with giving someone an advantage and it has everything to do with being aware of what is going on around you. ... race marshall on bicycle or scooter - cop on motorcycle, comes up from behind ... person is jamming to kenny g, not paying attention then gets run over ... or can't hear the person behind them, gets startled, takes a stumble and causes me to trip and fall - or something stupid like that ... this happens nearly every day when running in the park - it has nothing to do with "unfair advantage" and has everything to do with not causing trouble for others.

that aside, this woman knew the rules and signed a disclaimer which stated that this was a rule. no one forced her to run the race ... if she didn't like the rules, she should have done a race.

do NFL or NBA players lisen to personal music devices during a game? maybe they can't hear the ref's whistle? blah, blah, blah ... this lady knew the rules and chose to violate them.

if you are a middle or back of the pack type runner, then it is no big deal ... but if you are someone for whom it matters, then you need to play by the rules, no matter how stupid you think they are.
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by Jack K1 October 13, 2009 1:11 PM PDT
Yup. That's totally right. Deaf people should NEVER be allowed to compete - pretty much in any sport - due to these safety concerns. It's their tough luck they can't hear. Besides, many of them COULD hear just fine if the'd just agree to a bit of surgery. I agree with you totally: screw them.
by DennisMcCK October 16, 2009 1:17 AM PDT
This is being submitted by a Deaf person who had "a little surgery" and I am one of the more successful users too. So to Jack K1 I have this to say and anyone else that thinks he is sprouting some truth, I come with mine.

#1 That "little surgery" does not, and never will within our lifetime, make a deaf person equal to a hearing person. I mean that of people who were once hearing and had the surgery to regain it, there is a lot they get back for conversations and so on and so forth, but there is also a lot missing. So, implant makes a person more like Hard of Hearing. Would you let a hard of hearing person run?

#2 That bull about safety issues, oh Pulease. That was used last century (early on), to keep Deaf people from driving cars, and we have better records over all, thank you very much. Now if you take a hearing person, kill their ears, and throw them into the race pronto, you will have a serious safety issue. A deafened, hard of hearing, or Deaf person, no. Why? Because with time or from birth, one or the other, we learn to use our eyes and train ourselves to have a heightened sense of observation. For us, this is a normal mode of operation and does not take any extra effort on our part. We do not depend on our ears at all, we can't. But eyes, smell, vibrations and so on and so forth. Running with a pack of people is safer than the usual running on the road alone many do on a regular basis.

So.... Banning Deaf is not legal, ADA and all that.

Nancy Louise
by kalel130 October 12, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
"She only listened between miles 19 and 21, which--if you ask most runners--is the time that you are ready to eat raw elk and physically assault a mail box."

Classic! Thank you for making my day with this article.
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by Mr_fleabite October 12, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
This was a good line, might I also suggest "if you ask most runners--is the time that you are ready to physically assault an elk and eat a mail box."
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