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September 26, 2009 3:00 PM PDT

Pizza workers strike over Internet porn

by Chris Matyszczyk
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I cannot imagine how much fun it is to work at a pizza-making plant.

Indeed, the mere fact that there exist plants to make pizza seems entirely unedifying to me.

So I cannot help but feel a tinge of sympathy for three workers who were allegedly caught casting a furtive eye upon some material of a pornographic nature while pumping out pizza for the man.

According to the Belfast Telegraph, staff at the Green Isle Foods pizza-making plant in Naas, Ireland, will be calling for more strikers to protest the firing of their three frustrated colleagues.

There are those who believe this is food porn.

(Credit: CC Foodies/Flickr)

The Irish Congress of Trades Unions has granted approval for the plant to be picketed by naked women. Well, perhaps I am imagining the "naked women" part.

The Technical, Engineering and Electrical Union, representing the three men, is disputing the very facts surrounding their dismissal.

"One of our members received an e-mail from outside the plant and was essentially dismissed for receiving an e-mail," TEEU general secretary designate, Eamon Devoy told the Telegraph.

I am guessing that the e-mail did not contain pictures of rolling Irish hills. Or perhaps it did.

Although a spokesman for the company told the Leinster Leader that this was "a cut and dried case of dismissal for people who seriously breached IT policy by accessing and e-mailing adult material of a serious nature."

Yet I am touched to hear that locals have come out in support of the workers. The Leader reports that they have delivered doughnuts to the picketing workers.

Oh, and pizza.

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by the Otter September 26, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
I?m certainly willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if they actually did what they are accused of doing, I support the plant. Pornography has no place in civilized society, let alone the workplace.
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by cow8moo September 26, 2009 3:52 PM PDT
If it takes some porn for my pizza to arrive hot and cheesy then i have no issue with it!!
by twitchin2021 September 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
If it doesn't have a place in civilized society either we have very different opinions of what "civilized" means or we're living in different "societies" because porn is an insanely profitable industry...I would argue it certainly does have a place.
by mediocrates--2008 September 26, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
All we need is for you to submit your legal, specific and constitutionally defensible definition of "porn" the the US Supreme Court. Let us know how it turns out.
by ardent73 September 26, 2009 5:56 PM PDT
As long as the human race has been civilized, there has been pornography. If you are ignorant of history then you probably think that the height of human civilization is that which wraps adult women in black from head to toe so that sunlight never touches any part of them except their eyes. That's not a melodramatic comment, Vitamin D deficiency is very common without sunlight on skin. As far as the workplace is concerned I have no problem banning pornography, so long as all personal photos and kid's art projects are banned as well regardless of content. That's fair.
by CyR00k September 26, 2009 8:29 PM PDT
Pornography doesn't actually exist. It is an undefined term that means completely different things to different people. If you think something is porn that means it is porn from your point of view only and not everyone in the world is going to agree with you. Interestingly, the quantity of adult entertainment material available in a particular geographic region is indirectly proportional to the conservatism of that region. Or more plainly, the more puritanical a society the larger the adult entertainment industry. So, if I take your meaning, you think that society should be even more conservative thus you are feeding the growth of the industry that you don't think should exist.
by sethwr September 27, 2009 1:04 AM PDT
Oh god... yeah lets get rid of porn- and destroy half of our pre industrial art and cultural heritage as well.. "Pornography has no place in civilized society, let alone the workplace." what horrible, intolerant, FASCIST thing to say..
by Lerianis3 September 27, 2009 6:15 AM PDT
Pornography DOES have a place in a civilized society.... just not out in the workplace where someone can get upset over it.... though personally I don't see ANY reason to get upset over any type of porn.... if you don't like it, just don't look at it.
by Random_Walk September 27, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
@mediocrates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Flynt (didn't have to reach the US Supreme Court - the First Amendment is clear enough to win it at the lower levels).

Pornography has no objective definition ("I'll know it when I see it" was as close as a real US Supreme Court Justice ever got to defining it legally).

All that said, this is a case of common sense. If I surfed pr0n at work in front of my (very female) sysadmin colleague, I would deserve to be fired. She doesn't deserve to be subjected to something she finds offensive - especially something that has frig-all to do with work. It's bad enough when I go through the proxy log audits and have to confirm suspicious links (I warn her beforehand out of courtesy).

Porn does, on an objective scale (mostly through QED) have a place in civilized society. Thing is, that place is not at work (unless you work for that particular industry).
by jasonbryanmiller September 27, 2009 12:38 PM PDT
The objectification of human beings, particularly women, has a place in "civil" society?!? The taking advantage of sexually abused women (which statistically, most women in the industry are) is ok with you all? An industry which is highly linked to human trafficking and abuse of minors? This is not a liberal or conservative issue as you people are twisting it to be. It is a human rights issue. Their is no "freedom" in porn. It is an industry of mostly economic slaves purely for people who have no control over their impulses. It is neither freedom for the "worker" nor the "consumer." It is indeed profitable, but so is slavery. Objectifying human beings has no place in the work place nor civil society. Respect for the dignity of ALL people has its place everywhere. Freedom is not for doing whatever you want - because then you lose your freedom to your desires. Freedom is being able to choose what is right. Somebody is throwing the word "facist" around. Making people a slave to the desires of others - that is facism, abuse, humiliation, and degradation. Porn, slavery, abuse, and objectification have NO place in a civilized society. It would be nice if you people actually CARED about people in porn. Saw them as individuals with feelings. Saw them as part of your human family.
by tacit September 27, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
"Pornography has no place in civilized society."

I'm sure the "civilized" societies of Iran, Afghanistan, Kuwait, North Korea, and so on agree wholeheartedly.

I find it interesting that the more patriarchal, oppressive, and tyrannical a society is, the more that society condemns porn; in Afghanistan, the workers would be executed rather than fired. And then the people who sent the emails and the people who received them would be executed too.

Pornography seems to be a marker that goes hand in hand with a free society; there is a direct correlation between systemic oppression of women in barbaric places like Iran and harsh suppression of porn. Why is that, do you suppose?
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by mkgmkg3 September 26, 2009 3:37 PM PDT
Pizza and porn - add a beer or two and you have my pre-married life. The only thing that could make this a better place to work would be the picketing naked women.
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by dowell100 September 26, 2009 3:45 PM PDT
The (CC Foodies/Flickr) pizza picture looks pretty pornographic to me. I think I see satyrs and nymphs dancing around in the pie, and the reflection of a hedonistic guy ready to eat it. Hmmm, the guy looks like Matyszczyk.

It pizza image must be huge since it takes a long time to load.
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by silkibivi September 26, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
The item doesn't say what the company policy is. I'm with the union on this. The company just has to check its database to verify that email came from outside as the workers say.
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by Seaspray0 September 27, 2009 5:01 AM PDT
I agree. Lets send some porn by email to the president of the company and see what happens.
by Random_Walk September 27, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
If the policy is anywhere near standard, it'll likely say pretty clearly that there's no pr0n allowed. Otherwise, I doubt the union wouldn't be trying to argue that the guys weren't peeping at it in the first place.
by JasonGooljar September 26, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
I too find the argument that porn has no place in "civilized" society preposterous. What does then? Violent movies? Grand Theft Auto? Conservatives?
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by dowell100 September 26, 2009 5:50 PM PDT
Yes.
by CreativeMalcolm September 26, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
In Winnipeg there's actually a Porno Pizza, apparently they stick the pizzas on top of cut outs from naughty magazines. From what I hear it's OK pizza.
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by Goodbye Helicopter September 26, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
More Porn In Pizza Now!!
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by PixP September 26, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
I'm still trying to find the "porn" in that pizza image above. Where is it?!
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by Seaspray0 September 27, 2009 5:03 AM PDT
Think like Picasso. That will help.
by Vancouver-calling September 26, 2009 5:53 PM PDT
Isn't it usually the pizza delivery guy that's involved in the porn movie? [not the pizza maker]. I guess the do it differently in Ireland.
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by naterandrews September 26, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
horn dog, ****** men.. jeeze.

I support the company as well- have some sense of morals and work ethic when you enter the doors people...

and if you get soo excited at the mere mention of porn- then you are also sick and wrong...
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by RCHOBO September 26, 2009 6:34 PM PDT
Until the company is able to demonstrate the employee violated company policy, I come down on the side of the Union. Too bad this article was too busy being "cute" instead of being informative. Now I have to seek another source as to what the actual company policy was.

Porn is only an issue in this story if the the company had a specific policy regarding porn, provided a specific definition of what porn is in relation to their specific work environment, and whether or not the employee actually introduced the alleged "porn" item into the workplace or it was introduced unsolicited by a third party.

I find it amusing and quite typical that people are making judgement on this employee before they get the facts.
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by Dalkorian September 28, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
"Guilty until proven innocent" is the American way.

Oh wait ...
by SlimGem September 26, 2009 6:56 PM PDT
"Indeed, the mere fact that there exist plants to make pizza seems entirely unedifying to me."

Well Chris, you do realize that all processed foods are made this way, don't you?

But I will admit, frozen pizzas would be much more appetizing if they were made by penguins in Antarctica. Hold the anchovies, please.
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by Bytrat September 26, 2009 8:06 PM PDT
Unless you are in the porn industry there should be no need to have it in a public setting - leave it in your bedroom. It shouldn't matter what the company policy is - that is a line which shouldn't be crossed.
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by nobrainr September 27, 2009 12:23 AM PDT
Why is this on News.com? I thought there were more important things to be discussed.
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by koderkev September 27, 2009 12:37 AM PDT
Porn doesn't belong at work. It does, however, have a place in society and I support anyone's right to have, view, or use (in ways I don't need to know about) porn. Within reason, of course.
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by artistjoh September 27, 2009 3:03 AM PDT
Porn is not the big deal that some people make it out to be and is just a matter of personal taste. That is irrelevant to the actual issue here which does not seem to be being addressed - Whether porn or not it does appear that these people were using company time for personal activities.

When most of my employees want to make a personal call they ask me and I have yet to say no because life cannot be compartmentalized exclusively and sometimes work impinges on the private and sometimes the private on the work.

However there do exist employees who take advantage of situations for their own gain or because of laziness. Indulging in any pornographic material while at work always crosses this line. It is not exactly important stuff like organizing to pick up the kids or other necessary activities. It is porn, and accessing porn while being paid by the company is just goofing off and requires disciplinary measures depending on the incident and history of the employee that ranges from instruction not to do that again, to firing.
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by johnisfun September 27, 2009 3:12 AM PDT
Chris is very skilled at writing headlines which people will want to click on. I find his articles horrible though. Nothing worse than someone trying to be funny when their talents so obviously lie elsewhere.
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by rcp314 September 27, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
I call the pizza plant Nazi germany
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by September 27, 2009 7:00 AM PDT
They should have used Browzar.
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by eadeguzman September 27, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
Oh, here you go again, Chris the Porn master in CNet...

I don't understand why you would focus so heavily on PORN. None of the other news sites do. Enough already! Does CNET want to be the expert in porn?
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by pentest September 27, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
Well, they need to be experts in something don't they. They fail in technology everyday, so why not something simpler?
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