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August 24, 2009 10:25 AM PDT

Outed 'Skanks in NYC' blogger to sue Google

by Chris Matyszczyk
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Last week, a judge ordered Google to reveal the name of a blogger who may have defamed Vogue model Liskula Cohen. Now Rosemary Port, whose "Skanks in NYC" blog suggested Cohen was a "skank" and a "ho" among other potentially negative descriptions, is now turning a little of her "frank in NYC" wrath on Google.

You may be moved a little by Port's logic. Firstly, she told the New York Daily News that it was Cohen who caused all the fuss: "Before her suit, there were probably two hits on my Web site: One from me looking at it, and one from her looking at it (...) That was before it became a spectacle. I feel my right to privacy has been violated."

It is an interesting argument, one that perhaps suggests a future in the law, should a fashion career not satisfy.

And it seems that Port intends to test the boundaries of the law by attempting to sue Google. The 29-year-old student at the Fashion Institute of Technology told the Daily News that she will launch a $15 million suit against the entirely non-skanky company from the Left Coast (the blog was hosted on Google's Blogger).

Oh, please think carefully before you do, Madam.

(Credit: Cc Foxtongue/Flickr)

"When I was being defended by attorneys for Google, I thought my right to privacy was being protected," she told the News.

However, once the judge made her order, things changed. "I would think that a multibillion dollar conglomerate would protect the rights of all its users," said Port. Her attorney, Salvatore Strazzullo, told the Daily News that Google "breached its fiduciary duty to protect her expectation of anonymity."

Strazzullo will invoke the Founding Fathers in his argument, he said. And it is an interesting argument, one that perhaps extends beyond the blogs Google hosts to every area of personal information that the company holds. What should anyone who uses Google's services reasonably expect from the company in terms of privacy?

It will be more than a little pulsating to see where the courts might bang their gavels on this issue. But perhaps the saddest part of this strange episode is the reason why Port and Cohen allegedly fell out. According to the Daily News, Cohen said some not-so-nice things about Port to her ex-boyfriend. Oh, ladies. Is it really worth getting all this publicity, all this darned fame, over something that might have started as a little tittle-tattle?

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by msbpodcast August 24, 2009 11:00 AM PDT
Naw, not law, unless its the RIAA.

But with that kind of twisted logic, she can move to Alaska and try for Palin's old job.
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by smithjones August 24, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
Hey that's funny! She just might get the job.
by protagonistic August 24, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
Some people just have to turn everything into politics.
by galeso August 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
I thought since Google was defending her, Google would risk the wrath of the judge. Damn the judge - Full speed ahead.
by thelemurking August 24, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
Wait... she put up a website and then when she gets views, she feels her privacy has been violated? She may not be a skank or a ho, but she's definitely a **** ;)

Why sue google? Sue the judge who ordered google to reveal that information...
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by ZetaZeta_ August 24, 2009 4:15 PM PDT
I was thinking the same thing... What was Google going to do? Say no?
by joedid August 24, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
" Is it really worth getting all this publicity, all this darned fame, over something that might have started as a little tittle-tattle?"

Nail. There's the head. Hit it!

(Ok bad analogy. But you get the point.)
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by jaxstephens August 24, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
"It will be more than a little pulsating to see where the courts might bang their gavels on this issue."

Huh? Wha? Pulsating? Interesting word choice there.
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by renGek August 24, 2009 11:33 AM PDT
Suing google is stupid. Just because they have billions doesn't mean they don't have to follow the law. If the law required them to fork over the info they can't just say no.

I do find it disturbing that one can be sued for expressing one's opinion about another person. Its not like she was saying the alleged ho committed murder or is doing something harmful like she is a terrorist. And then the govt stepping in and forcing identity is crazy. You know 3/4 of the postings here could probably qualify for defamation.
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by ZetaZeta_ August 24, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
I do find it disturbing that one can be sued for complying with the U.S. Government.
by Jonathan August 24, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
Umm actually they can say no. What do you think court of appeals are for? My assumption is Google did even blink before handing the info over. At minimum they should have at least tried to maintain her anonymity.
by gggg sssss August 24, 2009 7:18 PM PDT
google TOS privacy item:

?We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law.

Hope her lawyer gets his fee in advance
by heartattackman August 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT
I'm an attorney and IMO, unless there's something more to this woman's argument, she's going to get laughed out of court. Google probably spent a hundred thousand dollars fighting on her behalf to oppose having her name get out. Google was ORDERED to reveal her name. Nothing more they could do. Who is going to have sympathy for some brat who defamed someone and then complains when her name gets released.

Hope this lawyer is getting his money up front....
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by DouglasLedet August 24, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
Believe it or not: Lawyers are "Officers of the court".

That is, it is their duty to tell their clients that the case has no merits.

I wish more "Courts" would remember that and take action against lawyers who don't have the guts or are too greedy to tell their clients, your case does not have merit.

Take some money away from these types of lawyers, the case load goes down, and "real" cases could be heard.

Douglas Ledet
by Stefaninafla August 24, 2009 11:41 AM PDT
In every TOS statement I've read, it includes prohibitions on defamatory or libelous content using the provider's service. Another common statement is that the company will cooperate with any legal demand made of it. So, if you check the box, you agree to that TOS. Seems pretty simple to me.
I really don't see where this woman has a case.
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by mrcjacobs August 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT
I think this "skank" should just accept the fact that she's not that easy on the eyes and move on! Now she can sue me for calling her a "skank" on cnet.
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by Dalkorian August 25, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
At least you didn't call her a garden tool. LOL.
by knightsqr August 24, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
She is obviously not very bright. The Constitution does not have the right of anonymity (this is not a privacy issue as the statements are public) nor the right to defame. There is no first amendment argument here. Google was complying with a lawful court order. I'd venture to guess that no lawyer will take her case, unless she is paying cash on the barrel head. She'd be wise to shut her mouth, remove the defamatory material, and make a very contrite apology to Ms. Cohen (and hope that will satisfy Ms. Cohen).
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by TotallyMadeUpName August 24, 2009 12:14 PM PDT
I think the right to privacy she is talking about it her "right" to make libelous statements without being ratted out.

The whole lawsuit seems preposterous. It makes me wonder if she is just seeking a little face-to-face time with Diane Sawyer on Good Morning America.
by Jensonb August 24, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
This suit doesn't make any sense. How can Google be sued for complying with a Court Order?
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by unknown unknown August 24, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
She can't, which is why this suit will more than likely be thrown out the second a judge reads it.
by anonfromed August 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
Trying to profit from her own civil wrongs and dishonesty? I'm going to bet that since this "lady" is unemployed her sugar daddy is going to foot the bill for this lawsuit against Google. Google is protected by a court order and this will suck the suckers bank account dry. Which is a good thing.
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by wolverineguy55 August 24, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
As far as I can tell, Google reasonably defended this person. A judge issued a court order ordering Google to reveal the identity. Google complied with the court order. I can hardly believe that complying with a court order can get you sued.

Besides, this woman claims Google "breached its fiduciary duty to protect her expectation of anonymity." My question is how far does she expect Google to go in protecting her identity. In my opinion, she would have to be pretty dumb to expect them to protect her interests 100%. Google's lawyers are going to protect Google's interests not hers. She was not the person paying the Google lawyers' fees. Since she was an interested party in this suit, she should have had a lawyer along with Google's lawyers arguing the case.
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by Michichael August 24, 2009 12:11 PM PDT
I'm going to laugh if Google countersues for the legal fees it incurred defending her.
by NikEst August 24, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
They really should, especially if she violated Blogger terms of service.
by screamapillar August 25, 2009 9:06 PM PDT
In all aspects of law, there is the expectation of 'reasonable'. I think everyone here would agree that Google made all 'reasonable' efforts to protect her anonymity despite her breaching legislation (and thus most likely also breaching the TOS she agreed to with google). I dare say their actions were far more than reasonable given that she breached laws relating to defamation/slander/etc. It is unreasonable to expect google to clean up her mistakes.

If you kill yourself, you don't get the life insurance. If you purposefully smash your car, you don't get the insurance agency lawyers on your side. Why should Google pay her way and bail her out when she has purposefully broken very clear laws? And we aren't just talking legislative infringments here, we are talking civil libel which is much bigger and are in some jurisdictions crimes as defined by the Crimes Acts. This isn't ambigious in that the laws haven't caught up sort of thing. Slander and defamation via published/written material is very well documented and legislated against. There is no crying ignorance. She wasn't just 'having an opinion' - she was slandering this woman's name. Being foolish enough to publish it for revenge is not Google's fault.
by Pete Bardo August 24, 2009 12:04 PM PDT
So it turns out that these two "skanks" know each other! They probably cooked up this scam together to get more publicity. Will one of you two please sue me, too?
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by NikEst August 24, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
When will we update our definition of defamation? Not to defend this counter-suit, Google had to give it over, throw her out of court and disbar the lawyer, but why is calling someone a skank defamatory? If it really is, then OctoMom (no royalties paid on the trademark, sue me, haha) should file a class-action lawsuit against, well, just about everybody.
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by Dalkorian August 25, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
We should sue you for giving that idiot even more undeserved publicity. What kind of world do we have here anyway, where stupidity and spreading your legs makes you famous?
by screamapillar August 25, 2009 9:07 PM PDT
You don't watch much reality TV do you Dalkorian? :)
by techgeekdude August 24, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
This is as bad as those people suing Facebook for not protecting their privacy. This chick defames someone behind this cloak of anonymity to get eyeballs for her site, and then has the nerve to claim privacy. What a major league *)#$%! Knowing how this country works, she'll end up ending getting her fame on the all the news networks and then wind up with her own reality show. Sad state of "Skanks".
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by kingsnoofer August 26, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
She is not claiming that the increase of views on her site, being the result of the publicity, is the breach of privacy. She is suing Google for making her anonymous posts non-anonymous by revealing her true identity.

The case will probably not even make it to court. Google was complying with a court order. They had no choice. The TOS clearly gave them the right to do so. She has no case.
by pda calvin August 24, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Anyone that posts anywhere, especially these days, and expects it to remain anonymous should take this case an example that it just isn't so. Think about that next time you post something online you wouldn't dare say face to face.
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by screamapillar August 25, 2009 9:15 PM PDT
While I would always agree with taking a path of caution with all things in this uncertain world, I would hesitate to be so drastic as that.

The right to express views, opinions, have open and free discourse about ideas etc, to discuss and/or express concerns about trends and/or matters of public interest... these are all still free and fine to do anonymously. It is about raising your concern about a behaviour or an industry as a whole, rather than naming things. I know I've missed out categories here, but overall, freedom of speech and anonymity are important and required for open discourse. But there is a difference between 'opinions' and slander. Think - this may not be true so would I want someone to say this about me? It matters not if you use a generalisation... so why single out one person? This blogger could've said "I'm concerned about promiscuous behaviour in the modelling industry" rather than singling out one person and smearing her name for revenge (ergo not out of expressing a view, it was malicious intent).

If you have irrefutable proof, then sure, name them - it is not slander, libel, defamation - if it is true. So, if it is your 'opinion' rather than 'truth' then say so and don't single out a person/company (companies have the same rights in terms of defamation as people in most jurisdictions).

While this in itself might raise some concern, so does the idea of being able to publish material about another person that is not true. It is a balancing act. The rights of the person to not be defamed and the right of the voice to speak.
by Mr. Dee August 24, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
I personally have had a similar issue with Google and privacy. I kept my identity secret so that the Linux zombies and Mac Freaks wouldn't go around the web annoying me. Lo and behold there I saw my name, big and bold beside my Mr. Dee alias on Google Search results. I was like, what the hell!

Google, I'm suing. More power to you Rosemary!
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by ZetaZeta_ August 24, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
All Google does in index and cache stuff. It would be CNET who doesn't protect your info, bro.
by Dalkorian August 25, 2009 9:45 AM PDT
Fortunately for you, you are the only person in the planet who's concerned about your identity. The rest of us are content to pity you from afar.
by Police_States_of_America August 24, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Liskula_Cohen
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by ZetaZeta_ August 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
10/10
by gfallar August 24, 2009 3:26 PM PDT
People hiding behind what they assume is anonymity on the web are misinformed. Whether calling somebody a 'skank' is actionable we will find out soon, I suppose.

She'll probably go all Octomom with this and be pseudofamous for awhile.
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by unknown unknown August 24, 2009 5:15 PM PDT
"People hiding behind what they assume is anonymity on the web are misinformed."

It takes a little more effort, but it can be made exceedingly difficult to discover someones identity online. Using TOR and throw away email addresses like guerrillamail.com one can do a pretty job of making discovery of this sort a nightmare.

"Whether calling somebody a 'skank' is actionable we will find out soon, I suppose. "

It wasn't just calling her a skank. Part of the judges reasoning was the proximity on the site to a photo Ms. Cohen.
Her lawyer has indicated that Ms. Cohen intents to drop the suit.
by moldor August 24, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
Geez, woman - this is the Internet. You HAVE no right to privacy. get over it !
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by screamapillar August 25, 2009 9:17 PM PDT
I certainly hope that isn't true... the expectation of privacy for 'reasonable' (is legal) behaviour should be protected.
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