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June 17, 2009 2:47 PM PDT

Would Google ever get rid of YouTube?

by Chris Matyszczyk

Benjamin Wayne, CEO of Fliqz, which provides Internet video services, likes to put things in perspective. His perspective.

A couple of months ago, he chose his words softly for Business Insider. Speaking of YouTube, he wrote: "Despite massive growth, ubiquitous global brand awareness, presidential endorsement, and the world's greatest repository of illegally-pirated video content, Google's massive video folly is on life-support, and the prognosis is grave."

His argument was based, as all emotive arguments should be, on the numbers. Using Credit Suisse estimates, Wayne suggested that YouTube was on track to lose, well, around half a billion dollars.

In a new interview with AdAge, Wayne has returned to his thesis of doom with just as much alacrity.

"Consumers are basically unwilling to believe that anything bad could ever happen to YouTube because they've become emotionally attached to a product that they believe should continue to exist and that Google should continue to subsidize," he said.

But perhaps not cash generation.

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But there's a recession, money costs far more than it used to and, as yet, no advertising solution has emerged that either YouTube's audience can happily tolerate or that makes exponential earnings magically likely.

"I think that the real problem is that YouTube is taking all the stuff that's good that they can monetize, and they've already monetized that stuff. If you look at the way in which content is growing on YouTube, the user-generated novelty content and the copyright-infringement stuff is growing much faster than the content they can monetize," Wayne argued.

Which leads him to a very unhappy, at least for Google, conclusion: "So whereas, with most businesses you'd say, well, over time it gets better, I think YouTube has a business where over time it continues to get worse, because the proportion of content you can't monetize continues to outstrip the portion of content that you can."

Wayne goes into great detail about how both pre-roll and overlay advertising have, in his view, fundamental weaknesses. He is particularly critical of overlay because he doesn't believe that anyone watching something they actually want to watch will leave that video to go and interact with a product Web site.

This jolly conclusion leaves us with some slightly hemorrhoidal questions. Is Google holding out for the wistful promise of an advertising environment that might somehow make the figures more palatable?

Might the company restrict the site only to proprietary content that is monetizable? YouTube has a chance of becoming one of the major TV portals in future times, but this would require some harsh and clear decision-making and some excellent negotiating. Will Google put itself in a position to make those decisions?

Or, should a double-dip recession or some other business reverse occur, could one ever imagine Google one day deciding to cut its losses on YouTube?

Is it just within the microcosm of possibility that someone at a shareholders' meeting might stand up one day and say: "Look, I know you chaps are terribly busy fighting the huge menace of Bing, but how much did you say you're losing on this YouTube thing?"?

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by liquidmetalband June 17, 2009 3:25 PM PDT
Advertising only works if the person is say, searching for a product, and sponsored links come up with that product.

If you're watching a video or reading an article, you're focused on that. You don't want to click some ad.
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by gerrrg June 17, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
But if the case is made that Google is losing gobs of money from Youtube, then aren't you bolstering the case for killing Hulu first? More than half their ads aren't even real ads - they're non-profit ads "supported" by Hulu.
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by karpenterskids June 17, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
Don't the non-profit companies still pay for those ads, though?
by jbuberel June 17, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
Here is my guess - somewhere in the near future, Google will analyze the amount of content stored by and streamed on behalf of all of their users. They will then determine where 'free' ends and 'premium' begins in order to minimize the impact on the % of their user base that uploads 1 or 2 videos that are only viewed a handful of times.

They will then announce limits aimed precisely at the heavy uploaders whose content is heavily streamed, and ask them to upgrade to a premium account for a monthly fee. So for most intermittent users it will remain free, but for the heavy users, they will be encouraged and then required to give up real $$ to continue to host and stream their content from Google servers.

But that is just a guess.
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by QMT June 18, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
There is an old axiom from the Dot-com Bubble of 2001:
A free site that changes to a subscription model instantly loses 90% of its audience.
by monkeyfun14 June 18, 2009 8:48 AM PDT
The problem with YouTube is that it requires way to much bandwidth possibly terabytes a day of it.

No amount of advertising can possibly make that profitable.
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by TV James June 18, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
Think people are forgetting

ecosystem (keeping you on a Google property so when you're done watching a video and you want to go somewhere else, you just go up to the top and search and bam... you're on Google, you're seeing relevant ads)

behavioral (Google's keeping track of what you search for and where you go... they can make those pre- and post-roll ads and any other ads on the page more relevant)

branding (which why I'm surprised it's not yet Google youtube or YouTube by Google and not youtube.google.com)

competition-killing (goodbye, Microsoft Soapbox)

white label (it's the support mechanism for private video streams offered within Google Apps used by paying customers - granted, not enough to subsidize the free, but as an offset)
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by redmarine June 19, 2009 6:12 AM PDT
I doubt Google would even care so much about losing money in one area when they get billions of money in another. Anyway as I see it YouTube is an important part of Google's community and helps to pretty much addicts its users to use Google.
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by youtuhbeguru June 20, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
if google cant hold it anymore give it to a company that wanted to buy it like aol
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by June 23, 2009 1:09 AM PDT
why dont they just delete all the content and start over? I know it will annoy thousands but if it keeps youtube alive, i'd be ok with it!
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by polyomino July 16, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
Eventually, you will pay per bit of data you receive over the wire. It won't be much. You won't worry about it, any more than you agonize over the cost of turning on a lamp when it's dark out. But it will automatically compensate the owners of the wire and the content appropriately.

And, all that user generated novelty content... is free content for google.
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