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May 19, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

Report: Microsoft's Laptop Hunter ads are working

by Chris Matyszczyk

So here's what having a strategy and taking a stand gets you. Yes, results.

At least that seems to be the conclusion one can reach from new data culled by BrandIndex. BrandIndex is a company that seems to get its kicks from tracking brands every 24 hours. A little neurotic, if you ask me. But you have to make a living somehow.

Anyway, its latest data suggests that Microsoft's "Laptop Hunters" campaign is radically altering value perceptions of PCs.

According to a report in AdAge, BrandIndex says Microsoft's so-called value perception has risen steadily since the campaign began in March, while Apple's has fallen.

Last winter, Apple stood at 70 on the value scale, while Microsoft was at zero. (Zero means that as many people feel bad about a brand as good) Now, Apple has fallen to 12.4, while Microsoft has risen to a glorious 46.2.

Here's the thing that might make you pause for wonder: the people who seem to be most influenced by the Microsoft campaign are aged 18 to 34.

Brand Index's global managing director for polling service YouGov told AdAge: "Apple had a pretty big advantage, historically, when we look at our data. Apple did a great job of putting Microsoft on the defensive. It made them look old, stodgy, complicated to use and unhip. But Microsoft has started to hit back, and younger folks are more cost- or value-focused."

I love research. I really do. It provides great fodder for discussion, cogitation and, ultimately, fireplaces.

The thing I am slightly more fascinated by is sales.

Currently, it may well be that younger people, who just might have less disposable income than those slightly older, are ragingly cost-conscious. (I have embedded a video that shows one young person's purchasing plight.) So when a survey person calls or e-mails them, they will give ragingly cost-conscious arguments.

This doesn't necessarily mean that their attitude while answering interesting existential questions will mirror their behavior when they come to buy.

Far more significant is the fact that Apple decided to respond to the Laptop Hunters campaign with an ad of its own. The competition always knows more than the researchers.

Microsoft has so far only pointed to a 10 percent increase in preference for PCs since the campaign was launched. When accurate and consistent sales figures emerge, they will be very interesting.

For those of you who are interested in what the slightly older folks thought, well, in the 35 to 49 age group, Microsoft went up a couple of weeks after the campaign launched, but now Apple has regained its lead.

Do these older people have more money or more sense? I will leave that to you to decide.

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by myles taylor May 19, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
With all the flaming and arguing that goes on by the fanboys and people who just prefer one or the other (myself included) we're not the target of these ads. It's the people who are influenced by things like this and those are the people who are being targeted. We've already made our decisions and have our ideas. The flamers don't really know anything and just...well flame. Apple aimed at a target and hit it. Microsoft did the same. Good for you. I feel sorry for the tech support people in both camps, especially since I'm one of them.
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by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
well, prefering "one or the other" just proves my biased opionated point about absolutely nothing! <flame, flame> Now I will have to in$ult you by calling you $tupid names, you silly person. <flame, flame> Quoting you in the first sentence is an excellent way to argue, which you obviously (note the absolute there) are trying to avoid. <flame, flame> And of course, I must contradict you by mentioning a totaly irrelivant statement. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush! <flame>
by cvaldes1831 May 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
Regardless of brand identity surveys, commenter flame wars, and the ad du jour, Apple enjoys a significant lead over its Windows PC competitors in terms of customer satisfaction. Is being a happier user worth the "Apple tax"?
by Lerianis3 May 19, 2009 8:35 PM PDT
by cvaldes1831 May 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT
Regardless of brand identity surveys, commenter flame wars, and the ad du jour, Apple enjoys a significant lead over its Windows PC competitors in terms of customer satisfaction. Is being a happier user worth the "Apple tax"?
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lol! Biggest laugh I've had today..... sure, it's easy to keep customers 'satisfied' when they don't really have any choice in the programs that they use, the hardware they use, etc.
The only reason that Windows has such a low 'customer satisfaction' rate is because they don't ask people to separate problems they have had from the OS from problems they have had with their HARDWARE.... if they did that, the customer satisfaction numbers for WIndows OS's would jump MUCH higher than they are right now.
by tm_anon May 20, 2009 12:36 AM PDT
@Lerianis3

When I used Windows, I had problems with Windows. I called MS customer support and I was pointed towards a third party app to fix the problem while the guy tried to sell me Windows OneCare or whatever the poor attempt at an all-in-one anti-everything app was named.

I maintained my system with third party apps in order to keep the OS running. That doesn't seem like the problem was from the outside.

I switched to Linux (I know I know, this is the Apple vs. Windows flame war but bear with me). I switched to Linux and still view apps and the OS as separate entities. The difference? If I have a problem and I check the forums, the people actually help me fix the problem instead of pointing me to a third party app.

The reason MS had and will have again such a poor view by the public when it comes to customer satisfaction has nothing to do with 3rd party apps, it has to do with a crap OS, crap customer service or crap promises not kept (Vista Ultimate).
by Mr. Dee May 19, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
I am in the 18 to 34 group. I just don't see the point of wasting money on brand identity which is what Apple has done a good job of creating over the past 4 years with Mac vs PC and the iPod Culture. I am not denying that Apple creates good products, but so does other PC vendors. Mac's do crash, suffer from vulnerabilities (not to mention weak patch cycle) and give users head aches. The amount of hardware defects I have read about concerning the iMac and Macbooks since last year, people would realize this is nothing more than a PR machine coming out Cupertino. Check out the latest 10.5.7 update, Apple has released 7 service releases now fixing broken promises of reliability in OS X.
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by ikramerica--2008 May 19, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
You don't own a Mac. And your classification of what a .X update is is false, and you know your "vulnerabilities" comment is spin. But that's fine. Trolls need love, too.
by gforce2016 May 19, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
Apparently you don't realize how stupid some of what you are saying is. Apple released 7 updates to the OS, so far Vista has had only one. I would rather go with a company that cares about fixing issues a.s.a.p then letting users live with bugs for year before even having the first service pack release. It is Microsoft with the weak patch cycle. Sure Macs break and have hardware issues but given that they are so way much more reliable then the competition this isn't really a point that can be argued.
by docster87 May 19, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
Why buy a Cadillac? It is merely a car that has extra price tag? Why not buy the cheapest car someone is offering? What's the difference between a $12,000 new car and a $40,000 new car???? Both are just cars...
My Mac may have cost more to buy and after upgrading the software (like adding WinXP on bootcamp) it did cost a lot more than a typical PC. But I personally see a ton of value in the computer system I have. I've done MS from DOS 5.0 up through WinXP, and I have never been happier than with MacOSX. I personally spend less time fixing MacOSX than with any of the Windows. Less fixing time equals more production time and greater happiness. That extra money was worth it, in my case.
I didn't buy a Mac to be hip, I bought a Mac to be productive & happy.
by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
@docster87. Why did the military buy a hammer for $500? Both are just hammers.
by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
"by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
@docster87. Why did the military buy a hammer for $500? Both are just hammers."

Because the contract specified that all tools used on the aircraft be obtained from the aircraft's manufacture. Blame Congressional oversight, lack thereof, and the the barreled pork industry.
by MaggieRed May 19, 2009 2:07 PM PDT
You are obviously clueless about OS X updates. It would best suit you to refrain from commenting on things you do not understand.
by Mr. Dee May 19, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
Mac users like you are just a PR machines, who knows, all you might work be working at the Cupertino Jones Town up there in California.
by DrtyDogg May 19, 2009 2:50 PM PDT
@gforce2016: It is you who looks stupid when you say:

"Apple released 7 updates to the OS, so far Vista has had only one. I would rather go with a company that cares about fixing issues a.s.a.p then letting users live with bugs for year before even having the first service pack release. It is Microsoft with the weak patch cycle."

You have got it completely backwards. Microsoft releases patches every month, in rare occasions multiple times a month. Apple on the other hand waits until they have a bunch of them to release and they do it in one big patch. Neither one of them are wrong, Apple's system is more efficient as Microsoft's service packs usually contain all of the patches that should have already been applied. But Microsoft's system has them rated as the shortest time to patch of any of the major operating systems.
by Dalkorian May 19, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
@docster87. Why did the military buy a hammer for $500? Both are just hammers.

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Sheesh, didn't you see the movie Independence Day? The military didn't *really* pay $500 for that hammer ...

;-)
by rocketx2 May 20, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
Great post!!

The iDiots are out in force.

Macs boot windows, run intel chips, Nvidia graphics... the next person to do a I'm a PC ad should be Steve Jobs
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by Angmarr May 19, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
Do these older people have more money or more sense? (hehe the author's bias hehe)

1. More money ... umm duh!

2. Don't know enough about computers so want something simple (no antivirus, no need for cool customizations, Games, etc) ..... and CAN AFFORD THE PRICE!

3.Trying (and failing most of the time) to look hip/cool/young (you'd be surprised@ how many old teachers/professors do this to appeal to the kids .... please stop!) .... and CAN AFFORD THE PRICE!

4.Been using windows for generations and trying something new ...and CAN AFFORD THE PRICE!
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by Angmarr May 19, 2009 9:56 AM PDT
/|\ ...if i was an apple fan (LOL)

2. don't want to deal with Windows issues

4. has generations of windows headaches

(really cant argue with 1 & 3)
happy = P
by ikramerica--2008 May 19, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
Exactly. They have generations of windows experience, and aren't fooled by an ad talking about something being cheaper. I know my older relatives have switched because they were fed up. Does that mean things are trouble free? no, my dad's mini had a problem, but the nice people at the Apple store fixed it in a day. And he was happy with the experience.
by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
@ikr

Thats if you have a Apple store nearby....

I've personally never seen one and I live near Detroit, Michigan
by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 3:38 PM PDT
"Thats if you have a Apple store nearby....

I've personally never seen one and I live near Detroit, Michigan"

Hold up your left hand. Look at the joint where the thumb is attached to the palm, there are four Apple stores near Detroit.

http://www.apple.com/retail/partridgecreek/

http://www.apple.com/retail/twelveoaks/

http://www.apple.com/retail/somerset/

http://www.apple.com/retail/briarwood/

There is also an Apple store near the palm's stigmata mark
by Lerianis3 May 19, 2009 8:37 PM PDT
Actually, Apple themselves say that they need antivirus on their machines, period. And the latest 'Mac Trojan' has proved that is a good idea.

Secondly, the GAMES are the main reason why I won't TOUCH a Mac.... too expensive is a close second to not being able to play my games on a Mac.
by Lerianis3 May 19, 2009 8:41 PM PDT
by ikramerica--2008 May 19, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
Exactly. They have generations of windows experience, and aren't fooled by an ad talking about something being cheaper. I know my older relatives have switched because they were fed up. Does that mean things are trouble free? no, my dad's mini had a problem, but the nice people at the Apple store fixed it in a day. And he was happy with the experience.
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I'm betting that most of the problems that your father had, were because hardware failed.... that isn't something you can blame solely on Windows or really...... AT ******* ALL ON WINDOWS!

As to problems with Windows..... I've found out that 99% of problems are created by idiots poking around where 'angels fear to tread..... as does GOD!' That's a 'period and done with' there.... one idiot who will remain nameless deleted his Windows directory.... then wondered why he was having problems! ******* idiot, to be blunt about it.

From what I have seen, Mac and Windows problems both are usually caused by that thing between the computer and the chair..... the person using the computer.
by docster87 May 19, 2009 11:14 PM PDT
I'm an idiot that 100% crashed Windows at least once a year (seven years in a row) needing a total reformat and re-install. Since switching I have yet to even come close to such crashing of either of my Macs. I understand basic software maintenance. I've built PCs from the ground up. For me, Apple could charge an extra $1000 and the lack of headaches would be worth it. Less time rebuilding OS equals more production and fun. So what changed? My computer skills? NO. My OS & hardware setup? YES.
No matter how many times a Windows Fan calls me an idiot, I still prefer Macs. Experience is the real teacher.
by Angmarr May 20, 2009 10:54 AM PDT
I killed my first comp (a while back) by messing with it too much, i learned from it, and have no problems with my new one!
by Super2online May 19, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
There is no doubt that in a declining economy pounding home the price advantage would be a no brainer win-win for Microsoft and the consumer. Where I think they really hit the mark though is showing how big the advantage actually is.

There will always be people ready and willing to buy Macs, but when Microsoft shows that you can get way more bang for your buck with a PC, then the decision becomes simple for a whole lot of people.
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by ewelch May 19, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
The problem being is Microsoft sets up false premises to begin with. No video editor is going to choose a PC, or not choose a Mac because it has 2 gigs of RAM. For $99 you can bump it to 4gigs of RAM, and have the industry standard software suite (which costs way less than the competition - Avid).

What's the problem? Microsoft doesn't tell the truth in these ads other than "this particular PC is cheaper than the star man Mac we set up to compare it to."

Yeah, and is has way less resolution on the screen, and it has way shorter battery life and there are a lot of things the Mac has it doesn't (hardware and software). But you PC types think because it has some of the same ports and the same number of keys and the same processor that it's "more bang for the buck" Yeah, as long as you're not using it. Fire them both up, and the Mac is the better value.

Note I'm comparing the PCs in these ads with the Macs they compare them to. Not PCs in general, where some are way better values and way more powerful and have way better screens and battery life than the PCs. Some even for the same or less money than Macs - not much less, but a few are less expensive and good values.
by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
@ewelch. What matters to the public is "will it do the things I want it to do"... not what you want it to do. You assume the public holds the same values you do on what's important in a computer. As of now, they don't by a margin of 10 to 1. Your values are fine when applied to you. Stop trying to enforce them on everyone else. The next time you post, ask yourself, "Do I really know what a perfect stranger wants to do with this computer?" Then you won't be posting stupid remarks like "Yea, as long as you're not using it." when you don't even know what someone wants to use it for.
by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 2:45 PM PDT
What's the problem? Microsoft doesn't tell the truth in these ads other than "this particular PC is cheaper than the star man Mac we set up to compare it to."


Oh I know cause Mac ad's are just 100% truthful to? According to the Mac ads I will never have to backup or clean my temp files.
by Angmarr May 19, 2009 6:51 PM PDT
Ya seriously man, it'll all about who falls for the ads!
by tm_anon May 20, 2009 12:46 AM PDT
Put Linux on the same box and the price goes down at least a $100, usually more. You don't end up with less production, you do end up not having to defrag your comp and for the most part not having to run antivirus (though a firewall is a good idea and already built in), you do end up having an Office Suite preinstalled along with repositories full of free software and descriptions of what that software does and with most distros, you end up with more hard drive space (went from XP to Ubuntu and saved half the GBs from the OS change).

Now, tell me again how MS is such a value?
by the Otter May 19, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
I still think this whole issue is a load of crap. The ?laptop hunters? are looking for cheap computers, and Apple doesn?t make cheap computers. Duh.

When I wanted a high-end machine, my Dell-loving boss asked me to price out a few machines. I wound up getting a Mac because Dell?s comparable offering was $2,200 MORE!!! Granted, this was a few years ago, but everything I?ve seen indicates that the high-end landscape hasn?t changed much.

If you want a toy, get a cheap computer. If you want real power, you?re not going to find it in the price range Microsoft wants you to look.
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by Angmarr May 19, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
Correction: ANY machine configuration "chip per chip"; "ram per ram"; "speed per speed" is cheaper if you buy Windows over Mac.
not trolling or flaming or talking about what has less headaches or which is better. Just the Facts!
by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
@the otter. You seem to be under some dilluted impression that everyone needs a "high end" computer (which is the only kind apple makes). People are buying the "cheap" computer because it has better value than your expensive one and it does what they want it to do.
by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 2:46 PM PDT
Dell's comparable offering $2,200 more? I'm calling ******** on this.
by Dalkorian May 19, 2009 4:46 PM PDT
by Angmarr May 19, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
Correction: ANY machine configuration "chip per chip"; "ram per ram"; "speed per speed" is cheaper if you buy Windows over Mac.

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Bull. Prove it or shut up, slave. Repeatedly, since you boldly claimed "any machine configuration", give us half a dozen or so examples. Or are you to busy trying to fix your winblows junkware box?
by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 6:25 PM PDT
@Dalkorian

We have and every single time someone chimes in claiming the OS is worth the extra 1 - 1.5k
by Angmarr May 19, 2009 7:45 PM PDT
@ Dalkorian

"Slave" .. whats your problem dude?? I try not to troll but you are just asking for it!

1. READ my comments with people in http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10221203-56.html we came to the agreement that PC are pound per pound cheaper - nothing about quality that's biased among us fans

2. http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MB470LL/A?mco=MTkzOTI0Mg

3. http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Performance%20and%20entertainment

Pick the HP HDX 16t Premium series
Click Customize
Match the features to the PRO and even pick BETTER stats if it doesn't have matching

COMES OUT MORE THAN $500 CHEAPER! (same goes for Dell, Acer, Lenovo, Soney) TRY IT!!!
remember all i said was - "ANY machine configuration "chip per chip"; "ram per ram"; "speed per speed" is cheaper if you buy Windows over Mac"

YA What now! man!?
by Angmarr May 19, 2009 11:03 PM PDT
if the Hp link doesn't work try it a second time and it will work

this is basically where it should lead
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Performance+and+entertainment&series_name=HDX16t_series
by tm_anon May 20, 2009 12:58 AM PDT
There's also software to look at. If you're not maintaining your Windows PC close to daily, it will slow down and cause a loss of production. If you don't run a defrag, clean the cache, maintain the registry, run an antivirus scan along with all the other maintenance steps necessary to keep the OS running properly, the Windows PC will slow down and cause a loss of production.

I switched my PC from Windows to Linux and gained production time not just from not having it slow down but also from not having to do anything for system maintenance. OS X has the same perk, virtually no system maintenance necessary to keep it running smoothly.

Now, look at the software included in OS X compared to the software included in Windows. Try and match all the apps from OS X, see where the price is. Now, how much time did it take for you to find and install those apps on Windows? Is your time worthless?

It took me less time to set up Linux to do everything I wanted than it did to set up Windows and I'm more familiar with Windows. OS X comes very close to being just as easy to set up as Linux was for me.

So now Windows is either more expensive because of the need to find and purchase apps to match OS X or its more expensive when you count the amount of time it takes to set it up and to maintain it.

All you want to do is talk about hardware because if you go past that, Windows loses every time.
by Angmarr May 20, 2009 9:28 AM PDT
the question is was asked for hardware comparison i i have one.

Nothing against Linux, but whatever software that apple sells , you can find a cheap/FREE 3rd party open source for Windows .... and most of the time apple isn't compatible with 3rd party software.... so ya when compared to apple yes its cheap and worth it!
by -Roddly May 21, 2009 6:09 AM PDT
All that windows maintenance is exaggerated greatly(along with all the other FUD stories of constant blue screen, virus infections, spontaneous combustion and the like) to the point that it is genuine dishonesty. Defragging and routine virus scans are invisible to the user because they are run in the background. The only thing I have to do as far as maintenance is click OK to the updates, which is a personal choice, because even that can be completely automated.
by russkeller May 19, 2009 10:15 AM PDT
I gotta disagree with the premise that it's the laptop hunter ads that are effecting that age group. It's Windows 7 that's significantly helping Microsoft's Image in that demographic. The timing between Win7 getting good reviews and the laptop hunter ads are too close.
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by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT
But windows 7 isn't available on OEM products yet. If sales spike significantly when it's released, then I will agree with you. For now, it's still speculation (but a worthy one on your part).
by alt117 May 19, 2009 10:38 AM PDT
Most people use Windows everyday. And for most of them, they don't crash, get viruses or have problems. So when mac fans or Apple says that they do always have problems, they don't believe them. Kind of like Reefer Madnes; most people knew it wasn't factual, so it had little impact.

Windows user that do have problems, for whatever reason, either get them fixed or switch to Macs. So far, the switchers have cost Microsoft less than 10% of their market over the last 10 years.

If you think that Macs never have problems, check out the line at the Genius bar sometime.
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by Austin_Mike May 19, 2009 11:04 AM PDT
Well said. And just wait until Windows 7 RTM starts to roll out for the holidays. People will love it. Smooth, fast, lightweight and reliable. And it works with everything, unlike Apple. Apple is nothing more than a PR machine. I love my iPod, but you could never get me to buy a Mac especially after seeing my gf's new Macbook be such a POS not even three months after she bought it (optical drive failed). That and it's excrutiantingly slow.
by ewelch May 19, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
Any fool who says Macs don't have problems is smoking some of those reefers you're talking about.

Still, the point isn't black and white. Nothing is black and white - other than, uh, the colors black and white. The difference is Macs have fewer problems than PCs. Which is kind of a no-brainer because Macs don't have to deal with as vast an ecosystem of hardware and software interaction. If PCs didn't have more problems than Macs, that would be a modern miracle.

It's simple statistics. Some PCs don't have problems. Some Macs do. That's not the point. There are advantages to software and hardware being integrated like Macs are. To deny that is to give up on rationality.

In the end, the question is, is it worth it to YOU?

No? Fine. Don't buy a Mac. There's not enough to go around anyhow.
by alt117 May 19, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
"It's simple statistics. Some PCs have problems. Some Macs do as well." There, fixed it for you. I fix computers in the entertainment industry, where the ratio is 50/50 pcs/macs, and macs have close to the same percentage of problems as PCs.
by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
I will agree with you, ewelch. Being limited to just a few hardware configurations does make it easier to maintain stability. But being locked down to a single vendor can get expensive.
by frankz00 May 19, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
@alt117... the problem with that argument is that the people who switch tend to wonder why they hadn't done so earlier. This seems to indicate that these were people that had problems with PCs that now don't on a Mac. I'm a PC guy saying that. I generally tend to recommend Macs for people that are completely clueless on the PC and they tend to be much happier. Of course geeks don't like to hear this but normal people tend to do better with Macs than PCs. The whole reason were are geeks because we aren't normal. I don't think we should expect normal people to be geeks. Which is what Microsoft does.
by tm_anon May 20, 2009 1:04 AM PDT
Most people who use Windows every day do have problems. I don't have any friends who have never had a virus, never had Windows crash on them and never had any other types of problems. In fact, I've got a few friends who've seen BSoDs close to once every 3 months, I've had to talk them through installing good AV protection and I've even had to remind them to run a defrag and tell them where to find one that doesn't take 8 hours (slight exaggeration but only slight) to complete.

The difference between Windows users and users of Linux or OS X is that Windows users think this is just how it's always going to be so they accept it. Once you go to either of the other two choices, you know better.

If you use OS X, you take it to the Genius bar and have them fix it because you know there's a standard Apple will live up to. If you use Linux, you check the forums and learn how to do it yourself, call tech support if you've purchased it or wait a day and there's usually a patch put together and ready.
by rocketx2 May 20, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
It's also simple math... PCs outsell Macs 10 to 1. Same crash rate means we all know 10x more people that have problems with their PCs

+ Macs are a closed system so they are simpler to maintain + Apple can afford to service your computer because you paid WAY more = less people have Mac issues.
by Norseman May 19, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
Well, they say that wisdom comes with age, and this research proves it. ;-)
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by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
Youth is wasted on the young :)
by The_happy_switcher May 19, 2009 10:45 AM PDT
I wonder if they will actually get this ad straight as opposed to the last one that pretended that the actors went into the store, came out, and were in the parking lot and chose the PC. In reality, they never went into the store as has been pointed out that the clouds in the background never shifted during that 1/2 hour experience, give or take.
Must not have been a windy day:
http://macenstein.com/default/archives/4188
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by pjhenry1216 May 19, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
The whole thing is "We'll give you $1500. You go buy a laptop that has your requirements." No one ever said they never got the money before they went into the store. In fact, its kinda retarded to think that. What money did they use to buy the laptop when they were in the store? You think they're asking people to buy stuff on their own and then surprising them with the cash? No. They know full well they're not paying for the laptop at all. Its not like its a secret camera and stuff.

Jeez. The ignorance and idiocy of fanboys (of all OSes) give their groups bad names. Why is it that the ones who are loudest usually know the least?
by monkeyfun14 May 19, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
Applerocks...

Why exactly would a Apple store let Microsoft shoot a advertisement competing with them in the store?
by frankz00 May 19, 2009 2:48 PM PDT
Macs are for idiots and I mean that in a good sense. Not everyone is a geek and that's why Macs are successful with the less computer literate. Because these people get the impression that their computer "just works". And that is by design. I try to explain this to my geek friends but the concept of a computer that you don't have to jump through a series of geek rituals is way above their heads. I love geekery which is why I use a PC but I have no high expectations of the average human being to understand these things. Even worse, geeks try to bullying these people into thinking that PCs are "superior" and that Macs are "underpowered"... ignoring the obvious that no average person needs that much power anyway (even though Macs do have it). But for most non-geeks, once you go Mac you never go back.
by Dalkorian May 19, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
Someone shouldn't use the term "unix" around frankz00, I fear it would confuse him to much. Or do you actually think winblows is "geekier" than unix?

Yes frankz00, that foolish feeling you're now getting is because you just learned something. Don't suppress it, go with it!
by seven7dust May 19, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
if cheaper means brand value then yes they are working
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by The_happy_switcher May 19, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
When you hire actors and bribe people, you can get them to do anything--including feigning a desire to actually use Windows. What a joke.
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by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
Apple hires actors. Same joke.
by Perry_Clease May 19, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
"by Seaspray0 May 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
Apple hires actors. Same joke."

True, but the actors are better and the production is better. :)
by rocketx2 May 20, 2009 5:56 PM PDT
Yeah Apple is so good PCs out sell them 10 to 1.

Ever wonder why the Mac boots Windows but PC doesn't boot OSX?? Three reasons... Apple users demanded Windows... PC users don't demand OSX and Apple won't allow it because they are a monoploy the crushes competition so they can overcharge their customers.
by sanjayb May 26, 2009 10:06 AM PDT
@ rocketx2

Explain Hackintosh's then.
by Maelstorm May 19, 2009 11:40 AM PDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRF9-5itZA4

There's an ad you should check out. The last store that he is in is Fry's Electronics in Concord, CA. It's a Microsoft Laptop hunter ad.
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by phess11 May 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
I get a kick out of how the Mac people are so happy that Apple has so much Cash in the bank. That is like me telling the Car Dealer that I am thrilled that I have made him so rich. I would think that they could reduce their prices a little to help out all their beloved addicts. Better yet, just send a check to Apple directly and cut out the retailer. Then they will have even more Cash if that is what makes you happy.

I remember when IBM wanted to control the entire H/W and S/W environment (i.e. the PC) back in the early days and the public was outraged. IBM was told they needed to be open and not controlling so that there can be competition and variety. Now there are some that are saying that total control is nirvana. It is a mixed up world.

The other ironic thing is if Microsoft Windows is the scourge of the earth, the nemesis, the evil empire, then why, in name of all that is good and true, would you allow it to be loaded on your pure, awesome hardware that "has all the software that you will ever need right out of the box".

It is a mixed up world.
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by Dalkorian May 19, 2009 4:55 PM PDT
Why? Masochism. 'Nuff said.
by tsi26 May 19, 2009 1:51 PM PDT
To all the Apple fanboi's: Get over yourselves! If you had such horrible experiences with Windows I applaud you for finding a solution to your problem. Although I say, you must have been doing it wrong. My main computer runs Winxp and has had many months between reboots. Never had a virus or any malware what so ever. All I can say is you must be doing something wrong...or you're an idiot.

To all the MS fanboi's: Get over yourselves! Yes Macs are more expensive and that is one of the reason's Apple fanboi's like them. They like to make you feel cheap. It makes them feel better than their Windows counter parts. That being said...it's the same damn hardware you can get in a PC. The only difference is a mediocre OS with a nice looking (to some) front-end. Yes, Windows has it's problems. Mostly user created but they're there none the less.

I kid...I kid. I could care less if MS or Apple died a flaming horrible death. I think both companies suck!! Though I am thankful the roles weren't reversed. I couldn't imagine Apple with a monopoly on both the ha
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by Sourdust May 19, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
It would be funny if open source orgs ran similar ads against Microsoft. "OS Hunter", etc.
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by frankz00 May 19, 2009 2:39 PM PDT
Working for who? Apples are still selling...
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by sean_001 May 19, 2009 2:46 PM PDT
I am not sure if the talk is even valid. how do you compare a 6% market share to 90%? You should start talk when mac reaches like 40%? hopefully we are still alive.
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by Wei_Zhu May 19, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
The silent majority is no longer silent :-)
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by kwhsy82 May 19, 2009 7:21 PM PDT
This article lacks any credibility. There is no way that Apple (umm, IPod, IPhone) has a negative reputation amongst people 18 - 34 (ok, so 18 - 25). Frankly, the Mac is kind of secondary to them -- it's a luxury object many can't afford. It's not exactly news to them brought by Microsoft commercials that they cost more.
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by Kings X Rocks! May 20, 2009 5:23 AM PDT
Microsoft = Ford Taurus: car for the commoners
Apple = Volvo: only the elite need apply
GNU/Linux distro = 1970's Volkswagen beetle with overhauled engine with parts from different manufacturers that occasionally throws a rod, but it's always fixable if you ask enough questions or put in a new overhauled engine.
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