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February 26, 2009 2:27 PM PST

Facebook entry gets office worker fired

by Chris Matyszczyk
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Kimberley Swann thought her job was boring. So she said so on her Facebook page.

Her employer, Ivell Marketing and Logistics of Clacton, U.K., gave her this update: "Following your comments made on Facebook about your job and the company we feel it is better that, as you are not happy and do not enjoy your work we end your employment with Ivell Marketing & Logistics with immediate effect."

Miss Swann, 16, was stunned. She told the Daily Telegraph: "I did not even put the company's name, I just put that my job was boring. They were just being nosy, going through everything. I think it is really sad, it makes them look stupid that they are going to be so petty."

Ivell's home page is a little on the dull side. But I did find a lively sentence at the very end of its home page spiel, almost every sentence of which begins with "We."

This work of art is entitled "Bored at Work". It in no way represents the exciting opportunities at Ivell Marketing and Logistics.

(Credit: CC Schlusselbein2007)

"We follow a zero tolerance social accountability standard," says the last sentence. Perhaps firing Ms. Swann is an example of Ivell's zero tolerance social accountability.

So I went to a very sober Web site to discover the definition of this Social Accountability Standard, which seems to be referred to as SA8000. Here it is: "(The standard) measures the performance of companies in eight key areas: child labor, forced labor, health and safety, free association and collective bargaining, discrimination, disciplinary practices, working hours and compensation."

Here is today's philosophical question: is your personal Facebook page an example of "free association"? Stephen Ivell, the owner, thinks the company acted properly. He told the Telegraph: "It is just a shame that it did not work out because she is a lovely girl. For a small company, when a decision is made, one thinks long and hard about it."

I was just wondering, but, well, how long and hard did the company think about snooping into its employee's personal Facebook pages? I only ask because I know there are some people who have zero tolerance for this kind of corporate behavior.

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by demecles February 26, 2009 2:38 PM PST
Ahhh, this comes back to the MySpace briefing we had in the the Army, don't say anything there you wouldn't at work, less it come back to bite you in the ass.
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by cube3 February 26, 2009 3:26 PM PST
" I only ask because I know there are some people who have zero tolerance for this kind of corporate behavior."

Sadly in the facebook and google world view, they are only relegated to being " irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic " in the ever expanding machine media world.:)

good be be "governed" by the likes of the Facebook and Google zealots. -) Shes 16, maybe she learned the emporers not only naked, but a real bastard too.:)
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by forkboy February 26, 2009 3:45 PM PST
It would seem that freedom of speech is well and dead.
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by tkleine March 9, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
She was "free" to say what she did. Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee against repurcussions. Ask the Dixie Chicks.
by Stormspace February 26, 2009 3:47 PM PST
Maybe she had a stalker, not an employer. Not only that...MY GOD MAN, she's only 16!... What did he expect? On the other hand, at 16 she will probably find a real job one day with a real company that respects her privacy.
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by sudcm February 26, 2009 4:57 PM PST
Why would you even bring up the issue of privacy? Facebook is a public forum. Posts written to Facebook can be viewed by anyone who chooses to do so... unless set to private. Where is the invasion of privacy there? Just curious.
by xim1970 February 26, 2009 9:44 PM PST
I agree with sudcm...if you post to a public forum, you risk something, not unlike telling your (supposed) closest friend at work that you were thinking about leaving your job. Then the rumor mill in the employees goes to work, and you are out of a job. I am a private person, and run a small blog on printing, but publishing your feelings to the web is exactly what young people should not do. I'm all for the First Amendment (otherwise some of my stuff couldn't be published), but if you **** on your former employer, I guarantee that they'll **** on you back, especially when you need THAT recommendation.. 20-somethings beware! Don't burn bridges; I avoided it early in my life, and it served me well. Take out your aggressions on anything else but your last employer. It could come back and bite you in the ass!
by Stormspace March 6, 2009 11:02 AM PST
I work with many people and have for years, but I'm not out there looking for their profiles on Facebook, Myspace, or any other medium. It's not about accessibility, it's about common courtesy. What's the guy doing looking into her profile to begin with anyway? Sounds creepy to me whether it's public or not.
by HD_MD February 26, 2009 4:05 PM PST
For a marketing company, this can't look good
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by sipai February 26, 2009 4:13 PM PST
Has anyone managed to track down the email address for Ivell? Their 'contact us' page has magically disappeared.

This is sheer discrimination and I'd like to place the employer contact information on Facebook. Let's see how they fair with a 175 million of the world's current and future employees.
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by snapelicious February 26, 2009 8:04 PM PST
Discrimination against what? Stupidity?
by wvari February 27, 2009 3:35 AM PST
Address:Unit 11c Stephenson Road, Clacton-on-Sea, Essex, CO15 4NS, United Kingdom
Telephone:(01255) 687500Fax:(01255) 687501
by Dylan_Wisor February 26, 2009 4:26 PM PST
Since when do sixteen year old girls work in Marketing & Logistics cubicle farms?

"Miss Swann, 16, was stunned."
Were you thinking of the Pirates of the Caribbean when you wrote that, Chris?
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by demecles February 26, 2009 4:32 PM PST
If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that she was an intern.
by Dylan_Wisor February 26, 2009 4:40 PM PST
That's the best bet, but an internship at sixteen? Seems odd. Maybe things are done differently across the pond.
by demecles February 26, 2009 5:10 PM PST
It's not terribly uncommon, it is seen as a resume booster for getting into universities.
by popop26 February 26, 2009 5:17 PM PST
16 is normal age to finish school in England. If you want to go to Uni then you stay in an extra year or so then off to university.
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by mexic0 February 26, 2009 5:27 PM PST
There is such a think as high school internship, but yes, school levels/grades are different in the UK. I think her firing was ridiculous, especially since she didn't state the name of the company. They should have used it as a "teaching moment" since she is only 16. Obviously they do not support the training of their workers. Of course, had this been the US the company probably would have sued her, her parents, the school, and Facebook.
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by LittleWriterGirl February 26, 2009 10:04 PM PST
If the CEO really did think she was a "lovely girl" -- wouldn't he have been wiser to have gone to her and said, "Hey, I saw on Facebook that you're bored. Let's find a way to get you engaged in this company." Then the story on her page would have been "How Cool Is My Boss???" with a story about a company valuing employees. Ivell just looks like another crappy place to work now.

Karma's a *****!
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by br8thw8 February 26, 2009 11:11 PM PST
I couldn't have said it better myself
by Dalkorian March 2, 2009 10:45 AM PST
Funny, I see this differently than you appear to. This company noticed on her Facebook page that she wasn't happy, in fact notably "bored" in her job. They could have kept torturing her in a position she felt trapped in (I need money, but I hate my job), but instead gave her the freedom to find a job that was more suitable to her.

It's not the employers fault this girl is an idiot who can't think ahead. They did her a favor and she's trashing them for it!

Two sides to every coin and remember she volunteered to put this stuff in public by posting it on Facebook. They didn't invade her privacy in any way, she did it to herself.
by wvari February 27, 2009 3:34 AM PST
The company removed it's contact details the minute the Telegraph article went live. If you want to send them your opinions (keep it clean!) the following should be of help:

Address:Unit 11c Stephenson Road, Clacton-on-Sea, Essex, CO15 4NS, United Kingdom
Telephone:(01255) 687500 Fax:(01255) 687501
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by mattumanu February 27, 2009 4:42 AM PST
His company is so toast. But them's teh brakes on teh interwebs.
by Dalkorian March 2, 2009 10:51 AM PST
Sad, because really the company did no wrong. It's the girl who did this to herself.

Think for a moment (I know it's hard today, but really try). An employee just took out an article in the local newspaper claiming they hated their stupid boring job (local paper, Myspace, Facebook - all the same in this case, it's a public forum). As their employer, you have a choice. You can either keep this person around, try to work with them and hope it doesn't all go bad within the year or you can let them go and find a position that will make them happy. You decide to do what's best for both and let them go now, possibly even offering to help them find a new job that they will be happy with - but they just take out another ad trashing you for firing them for no reason!

Being a 16 year old idiot doesn't make you right.
by Stormspace March 6, 2009 11:08 AM PST
@Dalkorian
A better analogy is that the "paper" is 300 pages and her comment is two lines buried in the middle of it. Also with no mention of the company, there's no chance it's going to turn up on a search. Only those people looking for her will find it. Creepy.
by ccorkrum February 27, 2009 11:10 AM PST
What business does her boss have looking at a 16 year olds personal page on facebook sounds more like a child molester to me. Isn't there safe guards in place to keep child predators from viewing pages of under age children? Lol she got fired because he made advances on a 16 year old girl and she refused him! Bunch of child molesting Brits!!!
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by Dalkorian March 2, 2009 10:53 AM PST
Um, show us where Facebook equates to privacy in any way, even a laughable one. Your argument amounts to this - she put posters of herself around town, but anyone who sees them is a child molesting pervert.

Finish school, then return to the adult table for conversation. Until then you're just embarrassing yourself.
by tanis143 February 27, 2009 6:18 PM PST
OMG to the n'th degree. All you people who are on the side of the little twit are twits yourselves. She posted her job was boring on a public forum and it bit her in the arse. Maybe next time she'll set her profile to private so that only her friends can see what she writes.

And to those who say that freedom of speech is dead, your an idiot. The freedom of speech was NEVER ment to allow you to say whatever you want whenever you want, its to protect your right to speak your opinion about the government. If you however use this right to insult someone or some company, be prepared to accept the consequences of your words. Its not freedom without retribution, its just the freedom of speech without imprisonment by the government unless you express intent to harm. Learn what your rights are before you say those rights are dead.
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by mmantia March 5, 2009 7:25 PM PST
I find this quite ridiculous. The girl only 16 and says she finds work boring! Nothing new.

Facebook "stalking" by employers and schools has become a horrible invasion of privacy. I myself know a 15 year old who was expelled from her high school because she made a group titled, "My school gives too much HW". How petty is that!?
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by GoogolyGoo March 12, 2009 3:33 AM PDT
I highly doubt that, mmantia.
Lucky this girl learned her lesson at an early age.
She should have set her page to Friends Only and kept her bosses off her Friend list.
Facebook is a PUBLIC forum, and it takes a single click to go from her Wall to Info, where she-- by her own choice-- included her Employer.
Chances are she sucked at her job and that was their out.
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