August 12, 2008 8:43 PM PDT

Are Google's StreetView drivers humans or robots?

by Chris Matyszczyk
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Bill's friend, the one with whom he was going on a motorbike holiday in Tasmania, suddenly died. Bill, being upset and Australian, went out and got drunk.

A cab dropped him off back at his house. But he collapsed before he could get to his front door.

So along came a friendly Google StreetView camera car. The Australian version of the service was to be launched August 4. So the Googler had a lot of filming to do.

He shot the prostrate Bill who was lying on his back, his feet sticking out into the road.

This was a click and run.

(Credit: CC re-ality)

The driver didn't stop to see whether Bill was all right. He didn't even get out of his camera car to move Bill's feet away from the curb. Like a TMZ.com paparazzo, his deadline seemed to be more important than something that could have been a dead body.

Did his shot of the beFostered Bill make the first edition of Google StreetView Australia? Too right, mate.

Bill (he doesn't want his last name plastered all over the place as well as his drunken pose) was as sanguine as the Australian Prime Minister, who, when he was seen getting drunk in an New York strip club, remarked: "I think any bloke who's honest about their lives can point to times in their lives when they've got it wrong."

Speaking of his dead friend, Bill said: "'I know what he would have done if I left --he would have partied, too. That's what I would've wanted him to do, so that's what I did with some friends."

However, he added: "I wasn't really thinking there would be someone driving by with a video camera on the roof filming me, either."

Who was the anti-Samaritan driving that Google camera car? Are his parents made of metal? What sort of instructions did he have? Why didn't he get out to help? And why didn't anyone at Google Australia notice that there was, well, a body lying in the street? (Google only removed the image after Bill's story came to light)

I know that people make jokes about Google being the quintessential engineering company. And that is something this blog will never stoop to (being an engineering company, that is).

But I hope you, too, would like to know how the company reacted to one of its drivers leaving a man lying in the street while he filmed him.

Or could it be that this driver was, in fact, yet another robot with vision problems?

Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET.
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by __SdC__ August 13, 2008 4:24 AM PDT
I don't think this a fair article.
News photographers in war zones and hunger stricken Africa are not and can not be expected to save lives. It's not their role. Has never been.
Besides that, it would be very subjective where it begins and ends. Help stranded motorists change tires? Give a blanket to a homeless person?
Then there's the question whether the driver even SAW the person; the camera has 360 degrees FOV, I doubt the driver does.
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by piranha741 August 13, 2008 4:32 AM PDT
I wonder if author of the article, stops at every drunk guy laying down on the street?
Or even if he looks for them.
That would be fair, no?
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by itchief August 13, 2008 5:46 AM PDT
The driver didn't see the feet of a body lying in the road? Ever hear of dialing 9-1-1? It's a little-known feature of a cell phone, obscured by the camera, MP3 player, ring tones, wallpapers, text messages, browser, Bluetooth...........
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by benjaminstraight August 13, 2008 8:17 AM PDT
Hmm.
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by fcg1502 August 13, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
I don't think _SDC_ quite gets the article. Yes, we know that photogs in war zones are not expected to help out people. They are in a very serious and dangerous situation where their sole purpose is to stay safe and take pictures. I highly doubt that this photogs job was so important and the situation so dangerous that he could not stop and stay with the guy until help came. Or at least call for help. This Google street feature, although fun, is completely unnecessary. It's not like he had such an important job that being a decent human being was left at the home when he went out to do shoot. And no, it doesn't end there. What's wrong with giving a homeless person a blanket, or helping someone change a tire? This situation begged for immediate attention since this guy could've possibly been dead! All the author is trying to point out is that in Google's attempt to become such a huge corporate power, their personally decency has seem to have flown out the window. First filming in peoples windows, then filming all the way up someone's driveway, then posting a picture of a drunk, possibly dead body on the street? At some point someone has to stop and think that maybe some thing should be done a little bit differently.
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by IMPETUS12000 August 13, 2008 9:45 AM PDT
Stupid liberal! I'm sure you are lots of fun to be with.
by c|net Reader August 13, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
There's nothing wrong with providing humanitarian aid, but how many actually do that nowadays? There is reason to think the driver may not have noticed the man. It is possible that the man was uncomfortable with leaving his vehicle. However, it is quite reasonable to expect a call to the police if the driver saw the man.

Google has gotten into increasing trouble because they continue to press into new data mining directions in order to expand their opportunities for driving advertising revenue. For all of their "don't be evil" claims, they are increasingly like any other large corporation: too large for any one or a few people to monitor everything and dispassionately judge its "evilness." Once there are numerous judges of "evilness," many opportunities increase to do evil.
by skillingssucks August 13, 2008 11:49 AM PDT
fcg1502, stop acting like it was one big Google conspiracy to deny that guy aid, when in reality it was nothing more than actions of a single individual driver in Australia. [rolls eyes]
by Dvnt_B1u3 August 13, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
@itchief the E911 system is not in every country.


in general thou I would like to know if their were any other obstacles that could have prohibited the google drivers vision of bill? and who is to say that the driver was not able to see Bill because he may have been on the other side of the road? can I see the raw feeds of this?
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by mastercko August 13, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
fcg1502,
no, _SDC_ is exactly right. Sure it might not match the magnitude, but it comes down to what you are expected and equipped to do. Checking on someone in the road is absolutely not the job of the guy who was driving the Google van, and assuming that he is definitely expected to stop is asinine. There are so many stupid assumptions in this article:

1) That the driver saw Bill
2) That the driver DIDN'T call emergency services
3) That the driver is somehow obligated to stop

I don't know. Maybe it's me, but I have a very strong doubt that even 50% of the population would stop. It's just smarter to call the emergency services of your country. If it's a dead body, what would you getting out do? Nothing.

Also, I fail to see how this incident implies all that nonsense about Google that you're going on about.

This article (and your comment) are simply trolling.
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by aMUSICsite August 13, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
I wonder how many corporate employees pass people like this? Non story other than google van captures drunk. You can't blame Google for an employee not stopping to help someone.
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by xxxmaxximusxxx August 13, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
Google photogs hardly qualify as wartime photo journalists or as photographers in general. they are hired locally to drive up and down streets/roads and operate equipment that automatically takes pictures of an area. for some unknown reason humanity has chosen to give photo journalists a free pass when it comes to human decency such as "do unto other" maybe it's just our voyeurism when it comes to other humans in distress, pain or danger.
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by professionaladventurer August 13, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
If another person compares the google driver to a photographer in a war zone I am going to puke. I am a photographer and I stop EVERY TIME I see a body laying in a way that, ah, makes me think they are not taking a little nap.
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by jarturof August 13, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
With all the drunk aussies (they are famous for that), I don't see why he should stop, just another drunk, if he is in shame, he should quit alcohol, is not the answer, and it is a good lesson (see how you look drunk)
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by CoderForChrist August 13, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
This article is just making a mountain out of a molehill. In addition, comparing a Google StreetView driver to a wartime photojournalist does stretch the limits of hyperbole, both because of the fact that a wartime photojournalist is in a great deal of danger, himself, and because, in the case of the photojournalist, he is the one taking the photos, not some automated robot.

Anyway, frankly, I just don't see a story here. The only reason people can pretend that a story even exists is because, in this case, the person who drove by happened to have a 360-degree camera taking photos of everything around him. But he wasn't surveying those photos as he drove. He was simply following his GPS, or whatever they use to determine what street they're on, etc. (And how many of us know how said StreetView photos get posted to the site; could well be that they're posted automatically, meaning no one at Google may have been aware of this guy's photo beforehand.)

One wonders how many people who didn't have cameras attached to their vehicles, drove past Bill without stopping to help. The article doesn't even say whether he came to of his own accord or was awoken by a passing motorist.

Finally, it looks like Bill didn't get too far from his cab before passing out. I guess we should all be condemning the cabby, too, since he was apparently more interested in getting to his next fare than stopping to help a customer who just got out of his cab.
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by ShinyHappyHead August 13, 2008 4:07 PM PDT
CodeForChrist, I believe you hit the nail on the head.
by UITD August 13, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
Google is NOT an engineering company. Thats their fancy term for software developers. They are programmers who work at a MARKETING company. Thats all Google is. A marketing firm. That, in and of itself, explains their behavior.
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by Reader11 August 13, 2008 10:37 AM PDT
privacy invasion it is... the automated youtube.
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by Heebee Jeebies August 13, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
Well after reading the first post to this from " __SdC__" I am glad their wasn't one of those google cars around because I was rolling on the floor laughing that this person actually has the guts to equate googles streetview photographers to... get this... news photographers shooting in war zones. I mean really here you have one that is trying to show the horrors of war and the other (google incase you missed it) is just a low paid lackey with a car to drive and button to press taking pictures of things that they really should have no right to photograph but then when they do see something amis can't even bother to stop and ask if the person needs help.

This just shows that " __SdC__" is clueless and Google is every bit the careless, pathetic company that most large companies with highly over inflated stock prices and egos are. Clueless and pathetic.
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by TV James August 13, 2008 3:36 PM PDT
Probably not even a Google employee. Probably a contractor with very specific instructions about what to do and not do to protect the driver, the vehicle, the special equipment and the data.

Who even knows if it was a neighborhood where you'd want to get out of the car? (I mean, with drunks lying in the street and stuff.) (That's a joke, folks.)

Mastercko has it right (above).
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by gthurman August 14, 2008 4:28 AM PDT
Stop for that body in the DFW area and you'll probably find it was a lure for a Katrina transplant to carjack you.
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by fireproof3232 August 14, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
the guy was drunk and passed out it was his decision to go and get drunk id od not feel bad for the guy at all it was his decision and maybe he will think before he drinks again
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by pjk0 August 14, 2008 4:39 PM PDT
Considering how many miles that those Google photo vehicles rack up per day and per week, it is clear that the vehicle (and driver) are going to pass hundreds of "interesting" sights a week. Expecting the driver to stop and interrupt the process every time someone is spotted changing a flat tire or "sleeping" by the side of the road is a bit unrealistic. As others have pointed out, apparently lots of other employees from all sorts of other companies driving trucks, cabs, buses, back/forth to work and so on probably didn't stop either.

This is a conclusion looking for a justification. There are far more useful questions about Google (or any other company's) corporate ethics to spend time on.

Move along..
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by __SdC__ August 22, 2008 6:40 AM PDT
I am very glad I made the post. It certainly provoked some strong reactions; that's what a discussion is all about.
Especially I love Heebee Jeebies for calling me clueless; thank you soooo much, and now I can call you "naive". Good luck when you have your first heart attack from ROTFL too much and are lying in the street expecting the first passer by to help YOU. This is an impersonal and tough society we live in (maybe Australia to a lesser extent but urbanized Holland where I live, it's pretty grim).
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