June 25, 2008 4:07 PM PDT

Cloud computing on the horizon

SAN FRANCISCO--Speaking at the Structure 08 conference here, Sun Microsystems CTO Greg Papadopoulos predicted that by the beginning of 2010 the majority of systems sold would be for Web, high performance computing and software-as-a-service applications. "We are going through this phase change in computing in a big way," he said. He made a similar prediction last year.

Papadopoulos also advocated a free market in which all interfaces and formats are based on open standards; customers own their data, relationships, and metadata; and customers can extract, synchronize or purge their data unilaterally. This echoes recent efforts to promote openness and data portability.

Papadopoulos acknowledged that the nirvana of every customer or user in charge of their own data that lives in the cloud has challenges. Today, users cede control of their data to service providers like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Yahoo, and others. It's not as easy for users to manage and move their data as it should be, which means users are generally stuck with the user experience and monetization schemes of the host sites. "It's proprietary systems all over again," Papadopoulos said. Over the last several years Sun has differentiated itself proprietary vendors, focusing on free open-source software and open standards.

Sun CTO Greg Papadopoulos

(Credit: Dan Farber)

Further out into the future, Papadopoulos expects that the technology infrastructure industry will be similar to the energy industry. In past presentations, he has called this transition the Red Shift.

Papadopoulos has predicted a "neutron star collapse of data centers," meaning at some juncture it won't make sense for businesses to build their own data centers. Instead they will contract for computing resources from hosting providers who bring "brutal efficiency" for utilization, power, security, service levels, and idea-to-deploy time.

There will be a grid of a half dozen very large cloud infrastructure providers and a hundred or so regional providers, Papadopoulos said. It will also look more like the banking world, he continued, with customers willing to trust the service providers with their private data as they do banks with their money. It's a question of when, not if, this scenario will occur.

Papadopoulos also laid out a map (see below) of the current universe of cloud computing in terms of increasing virtualization and consolidation across various categories: processor, operating system, language, and application services. Over time, the categories will fill out more especially as more languages and applications services or platforms rise up. Papadopoulos pointed to two Sun projects, Dark Star and Project Caroline. Dark Star is about software infrastructure designed to simplify the creation massively scalable online games, virtual worlds and social networking applications. Project Caroline is a hosting platform for developing and delivering Internet-based services. It's not clear why the Sun research projects are positioned at the far right on the chart, and players such as Google, Joyent, and Rackable are missing.

Higher up in stack developers have more targets and more freedom to innovate below it, Papadopoulos said.

(Credit: Sun)

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by Tony McCune June 25, 2008 5:32 PM PDT
It's interesting that he is predicting this. I noticed that Dell is also looking at this as a path to the future. http://tmccune.blogspot.com/2008/06/dell-cloud-microsoft-threat.html
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by Brentbb0 June 25, 2008 10:27 PM PDT
The "Cloud" is for airheads. John C. Dvorak said as much recently in PC Magazine, and for many reasons including:

1) Possible network congestion and outages
2) Possible unwarranted, wrongful disconnection by s/w company
3) No control over unwanted updates and "new features"
4) Potential price gouging once committed
5) Industrial espionage (ie recent Rupert Murdoch allegations)
6) And what happens if your online s/w company goes belly up?
7) NO protection from government snooping

among other reasons (see July 2008 PC Mag)

And why would s/w companies want to get us into this mess?

Oh, I know! Because they have our best interests at heart (and want to
save us money, too!)

And what's that I hear over there?

Oh yeah...that ugly, meshing sound again. You know, the one that you hear
when big business and government start getting a little too tight with each
other.

Yep, Cloud Computing is what we need alright!
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by botchagalupe June 26, 2008 8:06 AM PDT
I think he's wrong on some points. He makes the same arguments that Nick Carr makes. IMHO, the IT theater will contain more than just six huge IT infrastructures and only 100 or more sub infrastructures. I think it will be more likely that interoperable infrastructures of "many" cloud and non cloud infrastructures will emerge.

The next big phase in the "cloud" evolution will be vendors creating standards that will give the customers and other vendors the ability to run portions of their business across private and public infrastructures cloud and non cloud.. Business services will span between behind the firewall as legacy apps, behind the firewall private clouds, and a mix of vendors provided public clouds. I think it's silly to assume that only 6 vendors will rule the IT infrastructure in a global economy. Emerging technology hubs like India and China might have something to say about that. In fact Tata is doing some interest stuff today w/supercomputers. I am not sure they are going to let IBM and Google have all the fun by themselves. In fact will Google ever be relevant in China? However, I do agree with him that in the second decade of this new millennium most business services will have touchpoints in a cloud. The economies of scale are just to compelling.

johnmwillis.com
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by rontowns25 June 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
Cloud computing is still a vague term. It's kind of like saying something is web 3.0. Its merely a marketing term with no tangible identity tied to it. Its basically a human fabrication. That said, bothaglupe brings up some critical points above. Also, how can our current infrastructure support "cloud computing." Companies are becoming more open source but they are still very separate entities... I'd suggest reading some of the articles from here about how cloud computing will affect internet marketing... www.readtheanswer.com/index.php?RTA=web2
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