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October 20, 2009 11:01 AM PDT

With Windows 7 comes Netbook, notebook confusion

by Brooke Crothers
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Dell, Acer, Intel, and others together are, in effect, creating a muddle of light laptop categories as part of a not-so-well-orchestrated marketing strategy, according to an analyst. This is expected to become particularly acute when a deluge of new Windows 7 laptops hit the market this week.

Acer 11.6-inch ultrathin looks like Netbook but it's not.

Acer 11.6-inch ultrathin looks like a Netbook but it's not.

(Credit: Acer)

Acer offered a graphic example of this recently when it introduced a small, inexpensive Windows 7 notebook--the Aspire Timeline AS1810T--that, from all outward appearances, looks like a Netbook. But it isn't--at least as defined by Intel. It's a new category of laptop called an ultrathin.

"There's a lot of confusion that Intel has created and they haven't really segmented the market that well," according to Bob O'Donnell, an IDC Research vice president.

And it gets more complicated. The inexpensive ultrathin is, in turn, competing now with the expensive luxury laptops, like the Dell Adamo, according to O'Donnell. "Ironically, what's actually happening we think is that the (ultrathin) is actually killing the high-end ultraportable," O'Donnell said.

Here's the problem: any given Windows 7 laptop with an 11.6- or 12-inch screen could be a Netbook, an ultrathin, or a high-end ultraportable, each with distinctly different price-performance characteristics not readily apparent to consumers.

"There's too many overlapping products," according to O'Donnell. Intel tried to prevent this from happening by declaring that any laptop with a screen larger than 10 inches diagonally is not a Netbook. That policy is fine in theory but does not carry over to the real world of head-butting competition among PC makers where even the subtlest production differentiation can mean a leg up on the competition.

Intel says look at performance and price. "Which offers the best performance overall? That's important," said Intel spokesman Bill Calder. "Pricing is a factor too. While some ultrathin laptops including 11.6 and higher are very affordable, none are in the $249 to $399 range that typically defines a Netbook," Calder said.

Some consumers might say it's not a big deal. But it's not just a nomenclature or arbitrary categorization problem. There are big differences--not only in price--despite the aesthetic similarities.

Netbook:

  • Under $400
  • Low-performance single-core Atom processor
  • Low-performance graphics
  • No optical drive
  • Limited memory and storage
  • Good battery life
  • Build: plastic
  • Examples: HP Mini 5101, Dell Latitude 2100

Ultrathin:

  • $400 to $800
  • Dual-core Pentium, Core 2 Duo, or AMD Neo processors
  • Mainstream laptop-class integrated or discrete graphics
  • No optical drive (typically)
  • Mainstream laptop memory and storage
  • Good battery life
  • Build: plastic
  • Examples: HP Pavilion dm3, Acer Aspire Timeline

Ultraportable (luxury laptop):

  • $1,200 to $4,000
  • High-performance Core 2 Duo processors
  • Mainstream laptop-class integrated or discrete graphics
  • Optical drive (internal) in some models
  • Mainstream laptop memory and storage
  • Average to good battery life
  • Build: metal or plastic
  • Examples: Dell Adamo, Toshiba Portege R600

By sight alone, Acer has blurred--if not buried--the line between Netbooks and laptops with the introduction of Acer Aspire Timeline AS1810T. In addition to the Netbookish 11.6-inch screen, it is about 1-inch thick and weighs only 3 pounds.

But instead of a meek Atom processor, it uses a dual-core Core 2 Duo SU7300 (1.3GHz) processor paired with Intel's laptop-class 4500MHD graphics chip. Other specifications are also typical of mainstream laptops, including 4GB of memory, a 320GB hard disk drive, and 802.11n Wi-Fi.

It also ships with the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Home Premium and that 11.6-inch screen is high resolution at 1366 x 768, with a 16:9 aspect ratio. Again, neither of these features would ever ship with a Netbook.

And like Netbooks, battery life for ultrathins is relatively long. The Timeline claims up to eight hours of battery life, about twice that of standard laptops.

The Timeline's price of $599.99 will give prospective Netbook buyers pause. By contrast, a 10.1-inch Acer Aspire One Netbook, for example, is about $350 with a single-core Atom N280 processor, 1GB of memory, 160GB hard disk drive, and 802.11b/g Wi-Fi. Cheaper than an ultrathin but not necessarily a better deal.

CEOs are not helping the Netbook cause either. Last week, during Intel's earnings conference call, Chief Executive Paul Otellini made a point twice during the call to underscore that mainstream laptops--not Netbooks--are on a sales tear, adding that Netbooks are merely "additive." There's a lot of semantic wiggle room in the word "additive" but it's clear that Netbooks are not a high-priority market, comparatively, for Intel.

Michael Dell was more blunt. Dell offered up a critique last week of the Netbook saying that the screens are too small and the performance unsatisfactory.

Though Dell's opinion is not quite as harsh as the "junky" remark made by Apple's COO Tim Cook, the consensus seems to be--even by the companies selling these devices--that the appeal is limited.

Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. Follow Brooke on Twitter @mbrookec.

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by tektaktyks October 20, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
how about the compaq cq61 @ staples for $379? confusing? http://www.staples.com/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&productId=302258&catalogIdentifier=2
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by dhavleak October 20, 2009 12:13 PM PDT
So much choice -- awesome! Why is this a bad thing?
by techman21 October 20, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
Not really - it has a dual-core processor and a 15" screen. Not a netbook.
by doubtthat October 20, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
Why would Dell trash a hot selling market segment? Profit maybe? They don't make the money of netbooks that they make of of notebooks, so if they spread FUD maybe consumers will quit buying them. Don't think so. If anything, I would consider owning both a netbook and a notebook. A netbook for its obvious portability and internet connectivity. A notebook for the power and screen size.

Maybe instead of trashing the segment, the manufacturers should look at it as an opportunity to make netbooks and add-on sale to a notebook?
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by Vegaman_Dan October 20, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
I have laptops of all sizes and weights. From netbooks to a Macbookpro. They all serve different needs and uses.

The Macbook is basically a desktop replacement as the unit is simply physically too big and heavy to be portable in a backpack. Besides, at $1500, I don't want to risk getting that damaged while on a trip or out and about.

The netbook isn't as powerful as the MBP, but when I'm on a trip, I need portability, not power. And I do need power, I can always remote into the MBP. I see the netbook as more of a mobile terminal to the world and not a computer. As such, it is just perfect for my mobile needs.
by Pishkado October 20, 2009 12:20 PM PDT
Categories are totally arbitrary. The only people who have a problem with the current situation are the folks who make their living putting things into categories, then making statements about each category. If something blurs their nice, clean category boundaries, they have a fit and think it matters. The rest of us don't care. We look at the options, decide which meets our needs best, and get it. We don't stop to ask what category some pundit put it in, or if it fits one of their arbitrary categories at all. We just want to get our jobs done. Having a range of technology choices helps us, even if it gives the category-mavens headaches.
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by PDB64 October 20, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
I agree totally. I don't care what category it falls into as long as it meet my requirements. Is it a SUV or a X-over? Who cares. Get what you need and move on. Geesh.
by Vegaman_Dan October 20, 2009 12:24 PM PDT
The title of this blog post is a bit misleading. Windows 7 doesn't have anything to do with what you call a portable system or the pricing / features. It's just a reference to the release of the OS and new models associated.
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by Super2online October 20, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
That's the first thing I thought of. Brooke is using it in the title to lure us in. It's a ploy that all these guys will shamelessly use right now to capitalize on Windows 7 buzz to increase there own profit margins!
by Super2online October 20, 2009 1:00 PM PDT
no matter how razor thin the connection is. I included that but for some reason it was cut off.
by Super2online October 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Did you ever hear of throwing up everything you can just to see what sticks? That's that all this is. There will be winners that live on, and everything else will die out quickly. That's the tactic that many companies will use to feel out the market now that Windows 7 works on every type of PC made.
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by HlLLARY CLITON October 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
Dell loses more and more market share everyday, perhaps its an attitude problem
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by dougbugl October 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT
Microsoft also dictates what a "netbook" is and limits what version of their operating system can be OEM preloaded. That is what I thought the article was going to be about abut there wasn't anything about Microsoft's dictating what a "netbook" was and the article was more about Intel. Intel has to use premium process silicon( 45 nm ) for their netbook CPUs and they are forced to sell those premium chips at extremely low prices. They too have a reason to confuse segment and label it a limited feature market. Both Microsoft and Intel are getting profits killed by the netbook segment and they have to worry about future profits should the netbook market be defined as a small network enabled device with long battery life. That kind of definition opens the door for Linux and ARM systems to fulfill the specification and both are threats to Microsoft and Intel. All the Android phones on ARM processors also has both up at night and they do not want that bleeding into the netbook device market where it will allow Linux to be classified as useful( bad for Microsoft ) and the ARM CPU acceptable in a PC-like device.

Who is attempting to define the segment and why along with all the players is the interesting story in my book.
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by DrtyDogg October 21, 2009 6:06 AM PDT
Microsoft is not at all trying to define what a netbook is, all they said is that if an OEM wants to install the cheaper starter version of Windows 7 then there are maximum hardware requirements. It has nothing to do with defining netbook, and everything to do with selling the more expensive version of Windows.
by biznatch11 October 20, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
If I had a nickle for every article I came across that decried the "problem" of trying to categorize all the different types of laptops/netbooks/ultrathins/whatever-you-want-to-call-them, well, I wouldn't be rich, but I'd have a pretty big pile of nickles.

The consumer couldn't give two toots what category their computer is in, besides "desktop" (big and heavy, can't carry it anywhere) and "laptop" (folds in half and I can stick it in my bag). When the average person sees a small laptop (what some would call a netbook) they never call it that, they just say, "hey cool, that's a really small laptop".

Can't we just call them all laptops, and have 7 inch laptops, and 15 inch laptops, and Core2Duo laptops and Atom laptops? Why do they all need different categories? It's pointless and for the average consumer just adds more confusion to the already confusing task of choosing a computer.
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by Firehazel October 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
Amen. I want a 11.6 to 12.1 inch laptop with windows 7, at least 2GB RAM, at least 200GB+ Hard Drive space, and NO ATOM. Cuz, lets face it. It's not THAT powerful... I do regular computer things, but I emulate so yeah...
by Mergatroid Mania October 20, 2009 1:59 PM PDT
I have also heard that there is a high number of returns on netbooks as consumers make a purchase and then discover it's not a laptop, so they return it and upgrade. Even the sales people are confused.

There is a simple solution. Microsoft should insist that all manufacturers place their products in predefined categories, and label these categories Bronze, Silver and Gold (and perhaps Platinum for the highest end products). These categories would define just what type of product the consumer is looking at by performance.
Netbooks would have a Bronze sticker on the box, Ultrathin would have a Silver sticker, Ultraportable would be Gold and perhaps the Luxury units could have a Platinum sticker. Then everyone would have a good idea of what it is they are purchasing. Can't get much simpler than that.
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by wiimonkeyn October 20, 2009 2:38 PM PDT
Just buy an Alienware m15x :p
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by jtjt145 October 20, 2009 2:45 PM PDT
The solution is easy! Let the brain dead Redmond crowd fuzz about 10 inch limitations and what have you, the rest of the world get on with life and call everything that's a little bigger a notebook and everything that is a little smaller a netbook.

Never mind confused sales guys, we can help them too!

There ya go!
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by nSeika October 20, 2009 3:41 PM PDT
Most common limit for the netbook is 10" screen (because most brand doesn?t bother making smaller devices due to ?comfortable? keyboard size limitation) and the relative price range? ah, and the Atom processor.
That limit works most of the time, I think.
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by -fjtorres- October 20, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
"By sight alone, Acer has blurred--if not buried--the line between Netbooks and laptops with the introduction of Acer Aspire Timeline AS1810T. In addition to the Netbookish 11.6-inch screen, it is about 1-inch thick and weighs only 3 pounds.

It also ships with the 64-bit version of Windows 7 Home Premium and that 11.6-inch screen is high resolution at 1366 x 768, with a 16:9 aspect ratio. Again, neither of these features would ever ship with a Netbook."

Uh, you're Contradicting yourself.
The Acer Aspire One 751h does in fact ship with the exact same screen as the Timeline. There are also several 751h models that ship with 2GB RAM and 250GB HDD. Runnning Windows 7 and the right video drivers they can smoothly play up to 1080p video and are available for around $300.

Considering that several 11-inch Ion driven Netbooks are coming to market at under $400 the idea that Netbooks will be limited to 10" screens and poor graphics is a misread of where we're headed.

Yes, there is a fair amount of overlap in physical specs but the tradeoffs are pretty clear; netbooks are low-end, cheap and light with very good to excellent battery life, the utrathins are a midrange product and anything above that had better offer high-end performance.

This segmentation is hardly unusual in the PC business except that the standard good, better, best product-line differentiation has (finally!) come to the 3-pound market that used to be exclusively a premium product segment.
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by rmullen0 October 20, 2009 6:02 PM PDT
Just got back from Best Buy to see the alleged ultra thin notebooks. Didn't see any. All I saw was clunky looking junk. Why is it that consumer computers have to suck so bad?
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by Maclover1 October 20, 2009 6:18 PM PDT
Microsoft product confusion?? Never!
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by faites October 20, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
Let's fix that headline:

With Windows 7 Comes Confusion


Netbooks = low-end disposable computers for people who are happy to pay retail mark-up but are too stupid to buy an inexpensive used laptop and pocket the money saved.
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by faceless128 October 26, 2009 9:33 PM PDT
and what about the people that buy dirt cheap used netbooks?
by symbolset October 20, 2009 9:15 PM PDT
I am perhaps as guilty as others for causing this muddling by pointing out some time ago that consumers want choices and OEM's want to make their products stand out from the category, so the only ones who benefit from these platform definitions is WinTel. OEMs have figured this out and so now we have the dizzying array of platforms I expected from that campaign.

The downside is that OEMs need to clearly print system configuration details, compatibilities and features on the box, and not in the misleading feature-speak that implies or leaves ambiguous features that aren't there. Here's a hint: if it doesn't definitively say in unambiguous terms on the outside of the box that the feature is inside of the box, then it's presumed to not be in the box. People have now been fooled often enough by hoping the implied feature was in the box to know better. Consumers need to either be able to read and consider the merits of the tradeoffs or engage a "trusted advisor" who wants to listen well enough to understand their current and future needs, has a finger on the pulse of the market and has an awareness of current and future technologies. There's a huge opportunity here for the retailer who recognizes the need to hire and pay for a better class of customer assistant - the kind that has more in mind than which vendor offers the biggest kickback, who can do more than push the extended warranty. The retailer who can offer "trusted advisors" has a lot better chance of staying alive or even thriving in this diverse ecosystem.

I'm afraid that Apple is going to sweep the field with their Mac Geniuses if somebody else doesn't step up to the plate - and I really don't want that to happen.
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by Ben2talk October 20, 2009 11:05 PM PDT
You're mostly seeking to help the Microsoft movement to define 'Netbooks' as Low-performance single-core Atom processor Low-performance graphics devices.

Actually, they're designed to be nothing more than a 10" screen mobile device, for when your mobile phone doesn't cut the mustard. Everything is low-performance and Low graphics when compared to something more powerful. iPhone is a complete joke compared to Roadrunner.

Why do you insist on helping the FUD? Netbooks are great for what they're mean't to do - documents and internet on the go. They don't need the graphics power or processor power of a supercomputer for that - they're based on the idea that for most people, another computer is still a lot more than they need. One nice desktop at home, and a netbook to take with you to do your report on the bus is fine - the word ultrathin simply means the computer is very thin - does it also come in a book-sized package (10" screen?)
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by casanegro October 21, 2009 2:55 AM PDT
And this is exactly why I salute Apple for not jumping into the Windoze on-the-way-to-disaster netbook bandwagon. Apple is sensitive enough to their customers. We Mac users just have MacBooks. No more no less. No confusion. Windoze users on the other hand are now in oblivion not knowing what kind of clunky portable they have.
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by aubskibob October 21, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
Whatever, Steve Jobs wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing he wasn't drastically overcharging people for hardware. That's why there are no Apple netbooks.
by hardmanb November 15, 2009 11:10 AM PST
Steve Jobs doesn't want to sell anything that can not fit into Apple's complete ecosystem, which is the secret sauce to Apple's leading customer satisfaction. An underpowered netbook will never "just work" like other Apple products.

And Jobs has no desire to follow the "cheap" commodity wars of low profit margins that lead to constant model obsolescence, customer dissatisfaction, and possibly bankruptcy. Buy an Apple product and it works satisfactorily for years.
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Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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