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by Brooke Crothers
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Updated at 12:05 p.m. PDT on August 24 to correct cache memory size and Atom processor in Shenzhen Weibu Electronics Netbook and adding Prime Note Cresion Netbook information. Akiba Hotline originally misidentified the processor used in the Netbook from Shenzhen Weibu Electronics. The Japanese Web site has since revised the article to say the Netbook uses an single-core Atom 270. A Netbook announced earlier in the summer from Dospara (below) does use the dual-core Atom 330 processor.

Most Netbooks have been on a strict Atom diet. But models that have appeared in Japan are feasting on Nvidia graphics and dual-core Atom processors.

Prime Note Cresion NA uses a dual-core Atom 330 processor

Prime Note Cresion NA uses a dual-core Atom 330 processor

(Credit: Dospara)

Japanese technology Web site Akiba Hotline says a Netbook made by Shenzhen Weibu Electronics will soon hit the market that uses Nvidia 9400M "Ion" graphics--the same graphics used in Apple MacBooks. Both Samsung and Lenovo have indicated that they will bring out Netbooks with the Nvidia Ion processor.

The "N10A" Netbook from Weibu is expected to go on sale "soon" for 49,800 yen, or just under $530. It will come with an Atom 230 processor, 1GB of memory, a 150GB hard disk drive, Web camera, and 802.11 g/b wireless. It will not come with a pre-installed operating system, according to Akiba Hotline.

The Nvidia-powered Weibu Netbook follows a model from Japan-based Dospara announced earlier this summer that uses both Nvidia Ion graphics and a dual-core Atom 330 processor.

The 12-inch Prime Note Cresion NA Netbook comes with 2GB of memory, a 320GB hard disk drive, a DVD player, and 802.11b/g/n wireless. It retails for 59,980 yen or about 635 dollars.

The Atom 330 has become fairly common in so-called Nettops--tiny Atom-based desktop computers--but has yet to catch on in Netbooks. One reason: the Atom 330 has power consumption requirements double that of a single-core Atom (though the 330 is still low, at 8 watts, compared with mainstream Intel laptop chips, which typically are rated at 25 watts or higher).

The dual-core Atom, like other Atom processors, supports hyper-threading--which potentially doubles the number of tasks, or threads, a processor can handle--a feature also found in Intel's newest Core i "Nehalem" processors. Intel's widely-used Core architecture processors do not support hyper-threading.

The 1.6GHz Atom 330, because of its two cores, also integrates twice the cache memory (1MB) of single-core Atom chips.

Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. Follow Brooke on Twitter @mbrookec.
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by mrcjacobs August 23, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
I'll take 2!
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by t8 August 23, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
No problem.

Please reply with your ccard details in the next comment.
by stale_pancake August 23, 2009 4:49 PM PDT
If the keyboard is right, and a 11.6" 1344 x 768 display I'd be interested. 8 ~ 9 hour battery, I'd be very interested.
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by August 23, 2009 8:06 PM PDT
Why settle? I'll be interested when it has a 1920 x 1080, a 512GB SSD, 4GB DDR3, Firewire, Dual VGA/DVI out, and BluRay burner. And of course the price has to come down a bit... $200 seems reasonable. Throwing in a free pony would help...
by cosuna August 24, 2009 8:29 AM PDT
You just need to wait a decade or so.... I still can remember when a full blown Intel 486 (at 16Mhz), with 32Mb RAM, Super VGA, 130Mb DD and CD-ROM was worth $4299.

Times change, don't they...
by cvaldes1831 August 23, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
A gigabyte of cache memory for the CPU? Surely you mean one megabyte of cache...
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by mbrookec August 23, 2009 5:14 PM PDT
Correction made. --Brooke Crothers
by cvaldes1831 August 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT
Drat. Not quite the killer netbook even if the specs remain respectable.

Oh well. (sigh)
by SIGHUP August 23, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
I am assuming that by cache memory you mean L2 cache memory in which case shouldn't "twice the cache memory (1GB)" be "twice the cache memory (1MB) "
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by SlimGem August 23, 2009 5:12 PM PDT
How about ASUS or MSI making one with these specs, more RAM and WIndows 7?
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by pithenumber August 24, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
if they use more RAM
they don't get discount copies of XP
by miniguy August 23, 2009 5:18 PM PDT
First, Hyperthreading has been in Intel chips since Pentium 4 days, so 6 or 8 years, it's not something new, and yes it's 1Mb not Gb.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 23, 2009 6:56 PM PDT
Yes, but currently it's not enabled in Core Solo, Core Duo, Core2 Duo, Core2 Quad, etc. It is enabled on the Atom N270 and N280, and I guess on the 330. Not sure about the Z series.
by t8 August 23, 2009 5:33 PM PDT
Perhaps the dual core is there so that it can run Vista.
Me, I'm waiting for Chrome OS.
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by SactoGuy018 August 24, 2009 4:17 AM PDT
I think with dual cores, the Atom 330 CPU can more importantly run Windows 7 much more efficiently. Unlike older Atom CPUs, the Atom 330 supports x86-64 instructions, so the possibility of the a future netbook running Windows 7 Home Edition--complete with the Aero Glass interface!--no longer sounds far-fetched.
by cosuna August 24, 2009 8:31 AM PDT
Forget Windows 7 or Vista. These babies will fly with XP.
by Dalkorian August 24, 2009 11:21 AM PDT
Forget winblows. These babies will actually be useable with a real operating system, like Linux.
by BigGuns149 August 23, 2009 5:46 PM PDT
I would still be interested in what the battery life will be on this unit, but I really *like* the improved graphics. While the Atom 330 isn't a speed demon, it is good to see some improvement to Netbooks instead of virtually every netbook selling with a Atom 270. After the Atom 270 being on the market for a year you would expect to see somebody finally want to differentiate their netbook by offering something a little more powerful.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 23, 2009 11:21 PM PDT
They were not allowed to and still install Windows XP. Thanks MS...
by whattaguy62 August 23, 2009 5:59 PM PDT
Are you all assuming this ships with Windows? Maybe its another Mac clone. 9400M graphics? China? Counterfeits?
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by ikramerica--2008 August 23, 2009 6:57 PM PDT
It ships with no OS.
by Otto Holland August 23, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
Most likely Linux...at least for now. With dual core 1.6ghz, it can run Windows 7 fine, plus several Apps at once.
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by shane--2008 August 23, 2009 8:12 PM PDT
the trouble with running "windows 7 fine" is that you are still running windows...
by t8 August 23, 2009 8:24 PM PDT
Yes Windows in a Net top seems pointless.
Windows in a laptop makes sense and so does Chrome in a Nettop.
Will have to wait for Chrome though.
by gwailo247 August 23, 2009 9:16 PM PDT
Yeah, if for no other reason being the licensing fee. These things need to cost as little as possible, which means that the software need to be free. Now if people want to choose to buy software to load on these, that's another story. But these things are the best example of letting the end user decide what their core experience value should be. By making a quarter of the cost of the device being the licensing fee, the end user feels almost obliged to use it. And if they don't want to use it, they'll feel bitter for paying for it.

Yeah, Windows 7 would be good, but do you really need optimized drivers for Adobe Photoshop? No, not really. You need an OS where you can access the web, and some basic "office" type software. Linux is by far the superior choice for these products.
by sythara August 24, 2009 2:33 AM PDT
I run Ubuntu and 7 oin my netbook and it does just fine. For this one it will be twise the fine with the dual core.

Win7 is actually better on battery than Ubuntu, at least in my observations. (unless you use NBR or other fisher price variants of linux).
by vsial August 23, 2009 9:07 PM PDT
Its all smoke and mirrors to get the bucks out of your pockets....
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by chrisinsocalif August 23, 2009 11:16 PM PDT
Windows 7 will not support netbooks with over 10.2 display, over 1 gig of ram, and a number of others features according to some websites.
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by ikramerica--2008 August 23, 2009 11:22 PM PDT
Windows 7 netbook install (discounted OEM license) won't support certain features. You'd have to pay for a higher end version of Windows 7.
by forever4now August 24, 2009 1:54 AM PDT
@ chrisinsocalif

This is why it is VERY important to have alternatives to Windows.

The PC vendors should be the ones to decide which combination of chipsets, screen sizes & software constitute a "marketable" product, not the individual component vendors. If the PC vendors end up producing products that don't meet consumer's expectations (too slow, etc.), then the products won't sell. It's as simple as that!

PC vendors need to ensure that, at minimum, all of their systems support Windows & Linux. This will result in:

1. CONSUMER CHOICE. Consumers will be able to install Windows, Ubuntu, Moblin, Android, Chrome OS, etc. & be confident that it will run properly on the system.

2. DESIGN FLEXIBILITY. PC vendors will be the ones to decide which products go to market, not the component vendors.

3. LEVERAGE. PC vendors will have a stronger hand, when negotiating with Microsoft & Intel.
by SactoGuy018 August 24, 2009 4:21 AM PDT
I don't know--with the Atom 330 CPU and the possibility of stuffing in 4 GB of RAM into a netbook-sized computer within the next 2-3 years, a netbook running the full Windows 7 Home Edition could exist.
by sythara August 24, 2009 7:19 AM PDT
My netbook runs Win7 Ult (beta) just fine.
by cosuna August 24, 2009 8:43 AM PDT
Don't worry @forever4now, we already have choices, that is: these babies can be built with Windows XP or Windows Vista/7.

Here's the breakdown:

1) If MS shuts down the XP valve on netbooks, it will fall pray to Linux look alikes;

2) if it pushes 7 too hard (as it did with Vista), it will alienate users due to the price increase.

3) Finally, if MS tries to limit XP (like 7 Starter) to small spec systems, companies will risk loosing customers, so they will prefer to unbundle the OS and simply sell you the netbook.

Either way, MS can no longer control the market, since the market is already blinking the directional and its ready to pass them from the right.
by francisco1de9jess46 August 25, 2009 11:25 PM PDT
Brook

It is Atom 230 or Atom 330? I think you have a misstyped number on your article., right there next to the photo of the mini laptop.Thanks
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by moneyrules September 5, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
Microsoft Is whats making these things weak . They are forcing the netbook companies not to add ram or esspecially a cd drive. I cant help it but I love XP so no good news hear
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