Microsoft confirms Nvidia 'Tegra' chip for Zune HD
Microsoft has confirmed that the Nvidia "Tegra" chip is inside the upcoming Zune HD, a big win for Nvidia.
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Microsoft Zune HD
This was reported earlier at Engadget and follows reports earlier this week.
"There's been a lot of chatter about us possibly putting the Nvidia Tegra chip in the Zune HD," Matt Akers, software development engineer in test at Microsoft, said in a June 19 podcast. "Well, we're going to go ahead and confirm that. Yes, the Zune HD does have the Tegra chip in it."
He added: "So much better battery life, graphics acceleration. This thing's like a mini laptop in your hand."
Tegra is the first processor Nvidia has built for power-frugal handheld devices, a major departure from the large, power-hungry graphics processors that it sells to the gaming rig and workstation markets.
The system-on-a-chip (SOC) uses less than 0.5 watts of power, an attribute the main Tegra processor inherits from its power-stingy ARM parentage. (And a tiny fraction of the 50-watt-plus ratings of the chipmaker's desktop graphics silicon.) The defining feature of the Tegra SOC, however, is the Nvidia GeForce graphics chip.
Nvidia Chief Executive Jen-Hsun Huang said at the company's analyst day on Tuesday that the Tegra processor is expected to account for half of Nvidia's business in a few years.
The rumors about Microsoft and Tegra go back to November. The first round of rumors put Nvidia's Tegra in a Microsoft phone (which some analysts still believe is a possibility).
To date, Tegra has 42 design wins, ranging from media players to smartphones to Netbooks, according to Michael Rayfield, general manager of Nvidia's mobile business unit, who spoke during Analyst Day. Out of those 42, about 18 are smartphones, he said. "You'll start to see those show up toward the end of this year."
The Zune HD--due later this year--comes with a 3.3-inch, 16:9 OLED (480x272 resolution) screen. And also includes an HD (high-definition) radio, HD (720p) video out, Wi-Fi, a Web browser (with tap-to-zoom technology), built-in accelerometer, and a touch-screen QWERTY keyboard.
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Less power hungry quicker responsiveness and better gui.
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partial caption: "This is one of the many reasons I dumped the Zune. Of the 15 or so albums I purchased there, 9 of them are no longer available and that's money out the window."
The only DRM on the Zune (or the iPod for that matter) is what you bring to it.
Both have the ability to decode certain DRM, but what locks are on the content itself is up to you, based on what you decide to buy.
Remember to vote with your wallet.
And you had a good comment then you started trolling.
slimgem is prolly tied to iTunes due to having an iPod
on Windows I partly agree with the sentiment but still it's good for managing/tagging music IMO
but for playback I use others though cause it's bloated !
but wats funny is that it's probably the second most used Media player after WMP
It's also good for handling album artwork. I'm in the process of ripping over 1,500 of my CDs and acquiring high quality covers from AlbumArtExchange, but I'll have to start scanning a lot of them myself.
I agree that iTunes is a huge app, but you have to remember all the stuff it handles: the music store, iPhone apps, video, podcasts, etc. It's amazing it works as well as it does. Of course a stand alone music player will probably be simpler and more responsive, and I've tried Songbird, but it's not ready for primetime yet. I do think the absolute worst player is WMP. Why they can't make that thing halfway decent is beyond me. It sucks.
As for my interoperability comment, I was referring to all the companies who make hardware and software. Who wouldn't want the ability to use any hardware with any software? I wish the same thing for cell phones, but that has a snowballs chance in Hades just as much as the music situation.
Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
The problem is that their is other software that does the same exact things and doesn't run as slow.
And also Apple explicitly stops any other media players from working with iTunes.
The thing about allowing other players I can kinda see, although I don't like it. When Apple first started iTunes they said it was only to sell iPods. But then they screwed
Rhapsody over when they made a download app for iPods. That never made sense to me. There for a while I thought maybe the European Union would force Apple to open up, but I haven't heard anything about it lately. It will probably happen eventually.
The iPod works OS X, Linux and Windows. The Zune works with Windows only.
That's why I won't be getting a Zune and why the iPod still beats it.
Since when did iTunes work on Linux?
And why would I care if a product works on someone elses platform? If it works on mine then I don't see the issue.
I wonder how it compares to the CortexA8+SGX graphics combination in the Iphone 3GS though? And if the next ipod touch will have the same processor/GPU as the new iphone?
even though the tegra might be good at power management comapred to desktop GPus
it's still uses power in watts which is a lot more than the cortexA8+SGX combo and Cortex chips
which which use power in milliwatts
Um, no. The Cortex spec is in milliwatts PER megahertz! The A8 in particular has a max draw of 0.59 mW per MHz. The iPhone 3GS runs at 600 MHz, so the max draw is actually 0.59*600 = 0.35 watts, just for the A8. The SGX depending on the configuration adds another 100 to 110 mw, for a combined total around 0.46 watts.
So the Tegra's draw 0.5 watts is very competitive and the performance is likely to be similar to higher end SGX (better than the one in the 3GS.) It's also tiny.
Of course in reality devices don't operate at 100% all the time, so what's more important for battery life is the idle draw. The Tegra consumes just 0.1w at idle which is very good for a total system.
thx for clearing that up
I thought the tegra uses 4 watts according to some article I read a while back
that was probably the higher end version
0.5 watts isnt so bad ,
also another thing isnt the CPU of the tegra based on the slower ARM11 ?
Yes and no. Superficially the Cortex A8 is based on a "newer" architecture (ARMv7-A) than the ARM11's (ARMv6K). I put "newer" in quotes because they're both somewhat "old" IPs, and the ARM11 version used by the Tegra is actually a newer design than the Cortex A8. (The Cortex A8 was introduced in 2005; the Tegra's ARM11 was introduced in 2006).
The Cortex A8 is a superscalar core designed to accelerate certain multimedia-type operations by executing them in parallel (in SIMD fashion.) It's like the old superscalar Pentium 4 + MMX, as an imperfect analogy. The Samsung chip used by the iPhone 3GS combines the A8 with an SGX as we all know.
The ARM11 used by Tegra uses an MPCore design instead of superscalar. MP as in multiprocessor; up to four cores can be used in parallel. (The Cortex A8 is strictly uni-processor.) The Tegra itself tightly integrates not only a CPU and a GPU, but also dedicated HD Video processor (up to full 1080p HD) plus a dedicated Image Processing core (to handle 12mp still images) -- all on the same tiny, power-efficient SoC. The Tegra can power-down any core that's not being used for efficiency.
So really it's a different design philosophy rather than one being "faster" or "slower" than the other.
Just wanted to say I (and I think I can safely say 'we') appreciate the technical insight.
I think Cnet needs to do a Tegra VS Cortex A8+SGX VS Qualcomm Snapdragon comparison.
Remember, when you lock some people in, you're locking others out.
unless someone has managed to get iTunes working on linux.
Agreed
Enjoy your new shiny junk, Microsofties.
And so are iPods you can keep the damn thing.
say wat you want about iPods but they are still king
also I doubt it can surpass the iPod touch
which already a has a huge lead in UI design,Mindshare,Applications even games
it'll take a lot of work for Microsoft to catchup in app development as well
plus gen one device will have bugs always !
and HD video on a 3" screen = meh same with HD radio as well
But One thing I like is that OLED screen ,seemed awesomely bright in the demos !
eitherway I'm all for competition
stop trolling , unless you have something valuable to add there's no point !
so you get your songs from TPB?
For this I am thankful. My daughter, wife and I all have Zunes and can all share an account for the Zune marketplace even though we all use different computers. Zune subsciption allows sharing an account on 3 computers and 3 Zune devices. So far in the last 2 years, we have downloaded over 12,000 songs. With iTunes that would have cost us over $12,000 but for just $15 per month we can just keep downloading.
But I have to admit it was fun seeing all the sheep lining up in front of the Apple store last Friday. You can keep your iPods and keep paying for all your music.
We will enjoy it because it is better than the itouch seeing as it has much better hardware and software plus the zunes software is much better than itunes and easier to use
Zune software doesnt suck it has lotsa music lotsa videos only thing i dont like is that they dont have movies yet (they are introducing that wide selection with the zune HD's release, and integrating it much more w/ the xbox)
Personally the Zune HD looks beautiful, fast speeeds that i couldnt imagin, and like 15 hours video playback, OLED screen. i wouldnt regret buying this thing with the features it has now, but even now MS is saying that their are plenty more to come. I cant wait for release good job.
Competition is a great thing. The Zune HD sounds very promising. But remember, just because not everyone in the world agrees with you, does not mean that they are wrong or misled. WIth ipods and iphones and Macs, has it ever occurred to you people just like their user friendliness. Not everyone is a feature lister who wants to count how many superfluous features a device has, or how many programs their device or PC has. The average Joe user just wants a device that does what they want, is easy to use and is enjoyable to use. And remember average Joe users like your brother make up over 95% of the population.
Oh, they were actually people that bought those pieces?
So please don't make assumptions based upon a choice which in the grand scheme of things is really quite silly.
"People who use Zune also don't use anything but Windows since they have no choice.
Oh, they were actually people that bought those pieces?"
that's a stupid comment. We do have choices. I pick Zune over Ipod 'cause I like its power and I want to move freely; not be locked down by Apple. I just don't want Apple to tell me what to do and not to do.
Microsoft allows iphone to access its Windows Active Directory & Exchange. Why Apple doesn't allow any devices (Palm Pre, MS)? Is it being rudeness?
People do have choices! You've your choice, I've mine. PERIOD!
Itune = heaven of hell and scamming.
Couldn't they add something USEFUL that the iPod touch doesn't have? How about GPS system? VOIP built in? Camera? Built in mic? Office doc compatibility? Exchange sync?
Why has it taken MS so long to set up a unified App/Media store for X-box, Zune, WinMo? Another 3 months? You've got to be kidding me.
It's okay to be a "me-too" product when you control the market like MS did with Windows in the 80s and 90s. It's not okay to be a "me-too" product when you're fighting for Apple's crumbs and getting beat by the likes of Sansdisk.
BTW, Apple sold a record 1 million iPhone 3GS over the first weekend. If you think the Apple juggernaut is slowing down and it's all just smoke and mirrors marketing which will be exposed by the brilliance of the Zune HD, you've got another thing coming. Between the iPod touch and iPhone, Apple now has a 40 million user base, 50 thousand apps and most importantly, brilliantly functioning cash cow. We're talking $5 billion in revenue at least per year that did not exist 2 years ago! Meanwhile, MS has yet to make any serious money off of it's X-box, WinMo and Zune divisions for the last decade.
Also, an OLED screen? Wow, just beat the iPod there.
Also, an OLED screen? Wow, just beat the iPod there.
I can't wait to hear the New Zune HD!
Now - the IPod Touch and Iphone with the app store are definitely superior - Good for apple.
yep, beyond the itouches greatest dreams!
They'll probably get it in about 25 years...... literally
give us something concrete. Compare features and apps you can use on Zune vs iPod (touch).
This is a great thing that the Zune HD is shaping up quite nicely. It will make Apple improve the Touch and not just by adding a compass or useless camera.
OLED Screen with this Nvidia chip alone is stellar. Merging Xbox with the Zune marketplace is great also.
With this GPU/CPU chip inside it will be capable of playing XBL Arcade games and xbox 1 games.
Unreal why all the hate.
I love technology, and that's that. I don't really care who makes it (although on somethings I do). Just like cars, motorcycles etc... As long as I like the specs, and feel that the product is "solid" but in my price range, then I'm going to get it. So that way the next best thing can be funded, created and marketed.
Would I say Mercedes is better than Jaguar... Probably, depends on the car. What about Honda vs Toyota... again, depends on the car... What you're looking for is what matters, as well as your wallet of course. Can I afford a Benz??? Hell no... But if I want it badly enough, then I'm going to work hard for me to get it. Or perhaps, I'll never get it, but doesn't mean I wouldn't want one. For that matter, I want a Lambo... But doesn't mean I can afford it.
As for Apple iPods VS. Microsoft Zunes... Well, it just so happens that Microsoft is releasing a new bad boy into the mix... and OF COURSE! I would expect it to rock... Hello, we're the people buying it. Would it make sense for MS to release something that's identical to the iPod. Absolutely not! Same for the iPodssss.... Once Apple gets a hold of the specs, they're going to need to "one up" it, so they too can make some more money.
All these competitions are good. It's also called evolution... Without Nikola Tesla... We wouldn't have had the radio... So what do you think now? Without him, there would be NO iPods or Zunes, or maybe not yet. Perhaps we'd still be writing these ideas and emotions on paper, sending them halfway around the world, and waiting a week or two to get a reply.
"Fanboys" or not, these are the people (not just Apple fanboys, but everyone that spends a dime to buy something) that promote progress. Without them having SOME sort of standard, be it looking cool, or having great specs, then companies wouldn't have the drive to progress, and would just keep making the same thing for decades to come. That my friend is just not acceptable.
One last thing pooyan69... This is not a personal shot at you at all. There's been plenty of posts above that I could have replied to. I just hate the "Fanboy" talk.
- by MadLyb June 23, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
- So, we get an Nvidia chip. Can someone explain why we still have such a crappy screen resolution (besides the fact it is OLED)?
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (72 Comments)This thing is called the HD, and supports 720p on the TV-Out, but the built-in screen doesn't even compete with modern Smartphones which are blowing through VGA on their way to 720p displays.
I am still excited because it is huge step forward for the product and the new style is great. Hopefully, this will stoke the fires of competition.