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June 16, 2009 11:35 AM PDT

Nvidia CEO says 'Tegra,' Apple future of computing

by Brooke Crothers

Updated at 4:30 p.m. PDT adding Tegra, Intel, and Ion discussions.

On Tuesday, Nvidia Chief Executive Jen-Hsun Huang said at the company's analyst day that the graphics processor will be an equal partner with Intel processors, citing Apple as an early trendsetter.

On other fronts, Huang said that the ARM-based Tegra processor is expected to account for half of Nvidia's business in a few years. He also repeated claims about Intel crimping the success of its Ion processor in Netbooks.

Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang

Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang

(Credit: Nvidia)

Huang said that "CPU-GPU co-processing" is the future of computing. (CPU stands for central processing unit. GPU for graphics processing unit.)

"Apple is an early indicator," Huang said during his opening remarks that were streamed over the Web, referring to the importance that Apple is placing on the graphics processor. "The MacBook Pro to the MacBook Air has a GPU," he said. And he waxed eloquent about how the performance and power efficiency of the updated version of the Air has benefited by having co-processors: an Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU.

"Doing the right job with the right tool is more efficient," he said, referring to the Air, which Huang claims runs longer and cooler with a GPU. Typically, ultra-thin laptops like the Air don't have a discrete (separate) Nvidia or ATI graphics processor.

Apple currently uses Nvidia GPUs across its laptop product line and touts the potential for GPUs on its Web site. "OpenCL (Open Computing Language), makes it possible for developers to efficiently tap the vast gigaflops of computing power currently locked up in the graphics processing unit," according to a statement on Apple's Web site.

And at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference, an Apple executive expanded on this theme, explaining how Mac OS X will support GPGPU--general-purpose graphics processing unit--which lets a graphics chip run some computing jobs in addition to its ordinary job displaying graphics.

Huang also addressed its Tegra chip, which is an ARM-based design that integrates an Nvidia GeForce processor. Tegra is targeted at smartphones and Netbooks. Responding to a question from an analyst, he said that in a few years Tegra may represent half of its business, with the rest divided up between the professional (Tesla, Quadro) and the consumer GeForce markets.

Huang also repeated his assertion that Intel is using pricing--what he called "subsidies"--and "MDF" (market development funds) to prevent Nvidia from selling more of it Ion processors to customers. He claimed the success of the Ion processor would be two to three times greater without Intel interference.

Brooke Crothers has been an editor at large at CNET News, an analyst at IDC Japan, and an editor at The Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, among other endeavors, including co-manager of an after-school math-and-reading center. He writes for the CNET Blog Network and is not a current employee of CNET. Disclosure.
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by MyRightEye June 16, 2009 11:53 AM PDT
But I thought Apple sucks?
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by holywarrior007 June 16, 2009 12:29 PM PDT
Not as much as Microsoft!
by sythara June 16, 2009 1:06 PM PDT
Microsoft doesen't make computers.
by Bob Kakis June 16, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
You're right Sythara. Microsoft does not make computers. Microsoft makes crap!
by BogusBasin June 16, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
Ever notice their new anti-Mac commercials? Yeah. They are giving away laptops to show how much more Macs cost. MS doesn't even make laptops. They compete with Apple on operating systems. But you don't see any MS commercials comparing the retail cost of Windows vs. Mac OS. Why is that? Because Windows cost so much more.

Flame on Wintards!
by c4s2k3 June 16, 2009 2:30 PM PDT
"Flame on Wintards!"

You should be more sensitive. That kind of language is simply not politically correct enough for modern society.

Why not "Productivity-challenged" instead.

;-)
by slickuser June 16, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
Huang said that "CPU-GPU co-processing" is the future of computing.

The article, for some reason, GPU is future of computing. Trick to attract fanboys?
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by ddesy June 16, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
This reminds me of when you could buy a math co-processor that enhanced the performance of some software. Eventually the co-processors became built-in features. Perhaps history will repeat itself.
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by sythara June 16, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
Isn't Intel pushing just that?
by gerrrg June 16, 2009 12:29 PM PDT
Just curious, but, "Doing the right job with the right tool is more efficient" seems contrary to, "a graphics chip run some computing jobs in addition to its ordinary job displaying graphic".

Anyone?
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by Mr. Dee June 16, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
This nVidia guy has some serious beef with Intel. I don't believe you can tell who is the future of what in this industry. Who knows, AMD ATI, could come with something that puts everybody to shame, ARM could end up being the choice of every PC vendor two years from now.
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by sythara June 16, 2009 1:08 PM PDT
"ARM could end up being the choice of every PC vendor two years from now"

Very unlikely
by holywarrior007 June 16, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
I wonder what is the status of Nvidia and Intel's legal battle over Nehalem architecture. Has it been settled or they are locking horns in the court?
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by AppleSuxLeo June 16, 2009 3:30 PM PDT
Must be true if that guy said so !
Bwahahahaha !!
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by kgsbca June 16, 2009 6:55 PM PDT
as an nvidia shareholder, I'm still waiting for nvidia to get out that can of whupass that the CEO promised Intel last year. I hope it's more than the EC billion $ fine, that's not going to stop Intel from using their $$ to stop companies like nvidia.
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by artistjoh June 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
Most interesting from several points of view, especially the stress placed on Apple by someone at the top of Nvidea. While Apple often doesn't invent things directly it tends to be at the forefront of adoption of new technologies which often become the industry standard (GUI, mouse, optical drives, modern laptop form factor, etc)

In the current hoopla about showy Apple features like multi-touch, LED backlit screens, integrated but longer lasting batteries etc, 2 technologies seem to very important but will get ignored by most consumers because they are less obvious - OpenCL and Grand Central (which enables developers to optimize the use of multi core processors) which is one of the most significant parts of the new Snow Leopard version of OS X.

The fact that I can get excited by these things will make many of my friends wish that there is a cure for being a geek - they look on it as a disease. Sadly, I don't care about that and continue to be excited by the evolution of processors and computing technology. The future looks wonderful.
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by ahickey June 17, 2009 4:15 AM PDT
At this point processors are fast enough for most 'normal' taks like web, email, word processing and spreadsheets. The kind of stuff the vast majority of people use their computers for.
The bit where the processor performance is tested is with audio/video encoding and this is exactly where GPUs are more capable that standard processors.

Give me apowerful enough CPU and a GPU that is being used for more than displaying pretty graphics and I would have most of my needs sorted.
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by eightwings June 17, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
Nvidia should tread carefully. The recent reports that Sun Microsystems has cancelled Rock, its costly multicore processor project, should be a warning to Nvidia, AMD, Intel, IBM and others that the processor industry is right in the middle of a highly volative period in its history. The industy has suffered a painful blow. What the market wants is a universal solution to the parallel programming crisis that will make programming easy and result in complex, rock-solid and super fast applications. This calls for a homogeneous, deterministic parallel processor. Neither the CPU, the GPU, nor the GPGPU (hybrid or heterogeneous) processor qualifies. Rest assured that the Rock is not the last of the big chip failures. Don?t be surprised if Intel?s Larrabee and AMD?s Fusion projects come crashing down like so many Hindenburgs. Nvidia's Tegra will not fare much better.

When the pain becomes unbearable (it?s all about money), it will suddenly dawn on everybody in the business that it?s finally time to force the baby boomers (the Turing Machine worshippers) into retirement in order to boldly break away from the flawed and failed computing models of the last century.

How to Solve the Parallel Programming Crisis:
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-solve-parallel-programming.html
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by theorifice June 19, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
The only things the average consumer needs processing power are Video Decoding and Adobe Flash content. With hardware decoding being a standard option for any PC with discrete graphics, the only motivator to increase processing power is the unportable, closed source Adobe Flash player. As hi-definition streaming video becomes even more prevalent, PC designers are going to need to push Adobe for better integration with existing graphics acceleration technologies rather than having to attack Flash content with brute processing power.

For example, a low powered Atom processor can easily play hi definition content when paired with the low powered ION chipset, but struggles to play any sort of high-definition streaming video, which is most often lower quality/bitrate.

And then there is the Linux situation which is largely the same. Nvidia has already taken the lead by a huge margin in the Linux world due to driver support and the recent addition of the VDPAU framework for hardware video decoding. Unfortunately due to Adobe's binary only flash player, this system is completely unusable for high-definition full screen flash video.

Adobe needs to open up and begin to embrace the hardware landscape of today and not be stuck in the mindset of the P4 era.
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Brooke Crothers was formerly editor-at-large at CNET News.com, an analyst at IDC (International Data Corp.) Japan, and an editor at The Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly (The Wall Street Journal, Dow Jones), among other endeavors, including a recent hiatus from the tech industry when he co-managed an after-school math and reading center. Nanotech covers computer chip technology and how it defines the computing experience. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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