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April 29, 2009 10:00 PM PDT

Intel's Atom not just for Netbooks anymore

by Brooke Crothers
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Intel's mainstay Netbook chip is finding a home in desktops, underscored by recent announcements from Hewlett-Packard and Acer.

HP MediaSmart LX195 uses a 1.6GHz Atom processor

HP MediaSmart LX195 uses a 1.6GHz Atom processor

(Credit: Hewlett-Packard)

On Wednesday, details emerged of HP's MediaSmart Server LX195, a home server packing a 1.6GHz Atom 230 processor that's priced at $400 with 1GB of memory and a 640GB hard disk drive. To date, HP has been using Intel Celeron and Advanced Micro Devices' Sempron processors. (Note: update adds Intel Celeron.)

Earlier this month, Acer rolled out the Acer AspireRevo, a small, slick box that augments the Atom with an Nvidia Ion chipset to boost graphics performance. This is expected to be priced well under $300 for some models.

Asus was one of the first to bring out a head-swiveling Atom-based desktop--the Eee Box, which has been updated recently with ATI graphics.

By design, Atom is a more power-frugal and, as a result, a slower processor than Intel's mainstream Core 2 chip architecture. HP, for example, markets its MediaSmart server as a storage hub, which typically doesn't require much processing punch. And Atom is cheap--the Atom 230 is $29, whereas comparative Celeron chips are about $34 but draw much more power. And mainstream Core 2 Duo desktop processors start at about $110.

Intel has long maintained that Atom has a place in so-called Nettops and, last year, brought out the dual-core Atom 330 specifically for this market.

This strategy was validated this week in Taipei, where motherboard maker ASRock was showing a desktop with a dual-core Atom 330 processor and an Nvidia Ion chipset. Asus is also expected to update the Eee Box line with a dual-core Atom processor.

Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. Follow Brooke on Twitter @mbrookec.
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by April 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
correction...

"To date, HP has been using a Sempron processor from Advanced Micro Devices."

The current MediaSmart Servers, EX485 & EX487 use an Intel chip...
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by Angmarr April 29, 2009 11:49 PM PDT
Why would you buy a desktop with such weak specs? i mean a few more bucks gets you a much better desktop? I guess it makes sense if you don't plan to do much on it besides browse, word process ... BUT then why do you need graphics performance??

Im all for Atom and netbooks though!
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by TheDeadGuy_88 April 30, 2009 12:21 AM PDT
Word.

The only reason you'd want an Atom is to save power- exactly what you need in a netbook. To use one on a media server isn't a good ideas, especially if you want to play HD stuff. Still, I suppose you pay for what you get
by 3tire April 30, 2009 1:48 AM PDT
Deadguy_88: If you really knew as much as you thought you did, you would know how dumb angmarr's question was.
by Maccess April 30, 2009 1:55 AM PDT
The other reason is that using a 1.6Ghz Atom allows the manufacturer to ship it with Windows XP instead of Vista, per MS licensing for Netbook/Nettop platforms.
by monkeyfun14 April 30, 2009 4:57 AM PDT
@Maccess

Its not either I can't believe you guys don't get it.

Its to provide a cheaper desktop for people who don't need much power.
by MagiMamoru April 30, 2009 5:24 AM PDT
I have many customers, all they want is Internet and WP, and care less about anything else. Including pictures.
by Angmarr April 30, 2009 8:16 AM PDT
I see that it is cheap but then why do you need to ad more cost with a graphics card? i mean if you only look @ photos and stuff, then do you really need heavy graphics! cus there is no way that you can play games on an Atom!!

@ 3tire
How old are you? 12? because you seem to attacked peoples intelligence a number of times when you were unable to give an answer to a question?
by thelemurking April 30, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
The HP Media Server is not a desktop! It's just what the name implies, a server to store media on. The Acer AspireRevo is going for a basic little nettop box that you would connect to your TV via HDMI. I'm looking forward to the AspireRevo, I think it will be a great little box, especially with Ion inside ;) Now if I can figure out how to PIP two HDMI inputs on my TV I can facebook, youtube and watch TV at the same time on the same screen :D

No one who buys something with the netbook class chips should go in expecting some sort of a beast machine desktop/workstation. I don't think anyone who goes to Walgreens to buy a disposal camera is going to be upset because it doesn't function like a SLR... so people buying these cheap nearly disposable PCs probably get what they expect.
by mikeburek May 1, 2009 8:14 AM PDT
The better graphics processor would let the system use large screens with usable refresh rates. Just because someone is only surfing the web, or word processing, doesn't mean they won't want to use a 19"+ screen.

Using less power also means it will generate less heat, and allow cheaper and slower fans that are much quieter, if it needs fan at all. Yes, there are quiet fans that are powerful, but they are more expensive. People buying these computers probably want the cheapest they can get, or aren't too interested in popping the case to swap out fans.
by Angmarr May 1, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
thx for clearing things out, cheers.
by dragonbite April 30, 2009 6:15 AM PDT
I was looking at System76's Nettop (the Meerkat) last week about using it for a basic home file,web,etc. server I can put together how I'd like since it's on 24/7 I would want to reduce the power usage as much as possible.

System76 Meerkat : http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=91
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by thelemurking April 30, 2009 8:24 AM PDT
MSI had a great HTPC barebones kit but it's no longer available as far as I can tell... MSI Live if I remember correctly. I built one for a friend of mine at work, used a 45w AMD processor and that thing runs cool, quiet and efficient. It had every type of connector on the back that you could think of. I was going to get me one later, but it disappeared off of Newegg's site. So that's why I have been sort of excited about the AspireRevo.

That Meerkat is a neat little box, but the reason I want the AspireRevo is for the HDMI. If the Meerkat had HDMI out, then it would be a great contender. I love how it's got Ubuntu 9.04 as the first option :) It is a sharp little box.
by winstein April 30, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
Nettops are perfect for niche markets: POS systems, kiosks, digital signs. Each application may require a specific mix of speed, power, and graphics. I remember we used to build kiosks with $2000 computers and $1500 monitors. Now the same configuration will only cost about $500.
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by slickuser April 30, 2009 7:29 AM PDT
I agree! Thats where these systems can save lot of money for retail business...
by ikramerica--2008 April 30, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
POS systems and kiosks already seem slow as is. Maybe it's to do with the access to the DBs and not the machines themselves, but slowing them down with Atoms doesn't make me a happy museum patron or self-serve Home Depot customer.
by Bill_I April 30, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
QRP is a common expression to denote using no more power than necessary accomplish a given task. --- If you can run a simple home server on a CPU originally designed for a netbook, why not? A small power supply with no fan and dust problems, everything runs cool, etc. Add a flash memory hard drive (SSD) and now you have a great little box the size of a book which does everything you need. --- Sounds like a great idea to me.
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by Raabscuttle April 30, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
correction - the Atom wasn't designed for netbooks, it was designed for MIDs - which is one of the reason is is such a poor performer - you don't need that much power for MIDs (or cell phones for that matter). However, putting in a CPU with half the computing power of a Celeron is a very foolish prosperct indeed.
by albertsoler April 30, 2009 10:15 AM PDT
I've been searching the web for side-by-side benchmark comparisons of the Atom with older generation CPUs. Haven't found any yet. People have 'opinions' or 'speculations', but that is not the same as hard data. I'm very curious to know. How good is the Atom?

I'm still using my nine-year-old Coppermine Pentium III at home. (Overclocked to ~900MHz - LOL!) It only has 768 MB of RAM and still runs XP Pro and Ubuntu well enough for my needs. I actually can watch "Fringe" on FOD in HD on this box with only the tiniest of lag which usually only occurs after returning from the brief commercial -- which I've learned how to correct anyway. The only other time the "lack of power" is prominent is during certain Flash games where Machine Guns tend to fire at a rate more attributable to .38 Police Specials. But, the box really is good enough for my needs except for the fact that its three fans are noisy as hell! (CPU, GPU, P/S)

The point of this is that if I can replace my old system with an inexpensive Netbook (using Ubuntu Remix), or even a Nettop, either with Atom or Atom dual-core; if the performance is slightly better than what I have now, then it is a good deal. Since these systems are low-power, I won't have to deal with noisy fans. The emphasis here is on *inexpensive*.

Of course, my old box has a Radeon 9600 Pro installed. By no means was it ever top-of-the-line -- but it goes a long way in giving me the performance I *do* get. So, that is something to consider as well. One has to presume that Intel's new chipsets can, at the very least, match the performance of an old Radeon 9600 Pro. But, that is only a presumption.

If anyone *truly* knows how the Atom/Atom Dual-Core compares to older generation CPUs. I'd love to know.
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by Raabscuttle April 30, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
Yes, therre are benchmarks. The Atom 1.6GHz performs slightly better than a Pentium III 1.0GHz, a little better than a VIA C7-M of the same speed and at about half the performance of a Celeron or Sempron of the same speed. See the links in the Wikipedia article on the Intel Atom or check out some of Toms Hardware comparisons...
by ikramerica--2008 April 30, 2009 11:53 AM PDT
Which, to put it bluntly, is awful. Might as well just buy a used P4 or mac mini G4 or something like that. I'll sell my mini G4 for $250! I want the new intel...
by spoonie1972 April 30, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
The Asrock box is going to be great as a HTPC-style media-serving machine, as long as it's quiet.

the Atom chips still have a real problem with flash video.

If whatever you're doing is optimized for the GPU, you're going to be happy with this sort of machine.
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by Hector_from_Intel May 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
Great stuff people. I have an old PIII system I hooked up to my 46" flat panel LCD HDTV (using standard DB-15 not HDMI). I got a wireless keyboard and now I surf the web from 8' away in the couch and it's pretty awesome. I watched two NCAA games start-to-finish using Microsoft Silverlight and I regularly catch news stories, hightlights etc. Last night I bought some Amazon MP3's Basically, this is the type of usage intended for Atom nettops. I intend to buy the Asus EEE Box with ATI graphics and compare it vs the PIII for this usage specifically, and watch for Flash, Hulu, Silverlight limitations. The HP machine would be the choice if indeed I plan to do a ton of online content downloads.
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by erold59 May 3, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
Looking for a hardware solution to all set-top boxes.......

try 2-Bs and a bottle ........

the hook up is a killer app only for OGLs

salil.
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by freelancer_30 July 2, 2009 4:46 AM PDT
Ummm....
http://www.enterpriser.in/India/Learning_Curve/Intel_Atom_is_not_Just_for_Netbooks/551-100913-443.html
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Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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