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March 13, 2009 8:50 AM PDT

Big, bad Intel up to no good again?

by Brooke Crothers
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Intel is accused of monopolistic business practices pretty much all of the time. So much so that the big bully boilerplate isn't worth repeating.

The latest reports of charges against Intel are interesting because of the timing. According to this March 10 headline, the Korean Fair Trade Commission has ruled against Intel. That would be news if it hadn't been news eight months ago. Here's an English-language summation of the case that was news in June 2008. (CNET News report here.)

Not that all complaints about Intel business practices are unfounded. Certainly not. But how many times do we have to hear the "news" that Intel leveraged its market position to finesse a deal? (Answer: ad nauseam.) In this case, the American Antitrust Institute selectively translated text from an old 133-page report to show that Intel coerced Samsung (and others) into using Intel chips instead of those from Advanced Micro Devices.

Again, worth putting out there eight months ago but probably not today.

And let's remember that, of course, Nvidia and AMD never do this in the graphics chip market when they're trying to reel in a customer. No enticements, no sweeteners to close the deal. Absolutely not. Perish the thought.

But I shouldn't rush too quickly to Intel's defense. There will be plenty of real news related to Intel's market dominance in the coming years. The intensified focus now on Intel's business practices is happening against the backdrop of the severe financial straits of its sole competitor. No one wants to see AMD go away. (No stronger advocate of this than AMD itself.)

That said, the question should always be asked: is it really unfair competition or is it merely unfair as Intel's less-successful rival sees it? The grumblings I most often hear about are MDF and bundling. Different parties' interpretations of Intel business practices (real or imagined) connected to Market Development Funds and bundling are too varied and too byzantine to cover here. But that two-second Intel jingle at the end of a Dell, Hewlett-Packard, or Sony TV commercial can have, for AMD, an ominous ring to it.

All of the above gets (very) complicated because of Intel's dominant market position. One question is, where does MDF end and alleged brass-knuckles, restrictive bundling begin?

"So, Mr. Computer Maker, want some peppier graphics in that Netbook? We got this thing called the GN40...So you might want to reconsider that Ion thing." Nvidia may have a point here. But are they being out-bundled or simply out-maneuvered by Intel? You decide.

Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. Follow Brooke on Twitter @mbrookec.
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by atici March 13, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
Is it really evil to be dominant if you worked hard to produce far better products at far better prices ? At some point Intel realized it could not continue its complacency because there arose rivals like AMD. However it is only a matter of time these rivals go under all because of Intel team's hard work. What will happen after that? Will Intel fall back into complacency? That's the real question.
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by skillingssucks March 13, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
Look up x86 monopoly.
by viper396 March 13, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
@skillingssucks get over it. You have no point. You have no argument. You have no legitimate reason to even take sides yet you toss around the word "Monopoly" likes it's a bad word.

The very basic goal of any business is to succeed and grow in a market. Yet everytime any corporation becomes sucessful and grabs a majority market share a bunch of insignificant people with no real stake in the matter crawl out of the woodwork and start tossing around the "Monopoly" word. "Monopoly" is just becoming a catch all argument for any company that actually becomes successful. This is just the business version of the classic "Root for the underguy" mentality at work. If Intel and AMD's roles were reversed people would still be rooting for the underdog.

In the end, all of this just reflects on the status and emotional needs of the individual. Successful people tend to root for the person/team/company/product that's suceeding. Losers root for the underdog because they themselves are one.


...and for the record I take no sides in this stupid Intel vs AMD war. I've purchased CPU's from both throughout the years. It all depends on who's got the better performing chip for my purposes at any one moment. When I'm staring at the PC's desktop, running apps, reading e-mail, or playing games I really don't focus on who made the CPU.
by realistic1 March 13, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
@viper396

Well said - that's the most intelligent post I've ever read on this site.
by skillingssucks March 13, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
Viper, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...whatsoever. Intel owns the rights to the x86 architecture, this is a fact, and this has nothing to do with "them doing well compared to their competition". Unless you have a license from them, you can't produce an x86 processor. AMD has a license even though Intel tried to take it from them. They were stopped denying AMD only by the California State Supreme Court. Don't lecture me, about monopolies and what the term means, when you have no clue about them. A monopoly is not illegal at all. What IS illegal is using that monopoly as leverage in other markets, something Intel has done, time and time again. You have no understanding of the history of what has transpired in this business; such as how and why AMD got it license, etc., etc., so stop pretending that you do.

See how successful Intel with be if Toshiba, Samsung, LG, etc. etc. were making x86 processors.

[CNET editors' note: Personal attacks deleted.]
by Lerianis3 March 13, 2009 2:22 PM PDT
skillingssucks gets it right. A monopoly in itself is NOT illegal.... using your power from that monopoly to keep people from getting into the business or using it to run them out of business is! That is why Microsoft got in trouble. It wasn't solely because they were a de-facto monopoly on OS's years ago (and really still are), it was because they used their massive amount of power and money to pressure computer makers into using no one's OS but MIcrosoft's.

THAT IS WRONG! Even as a Microsoft fanboy, who loves their products.... I have to say that is bluntly wrong, and they were right to be punished for it.
by EPhud March 13, 2009 9:18 AM PDT
Thanks for some balance on an otherwise sensationalized topic.
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by myles taylor March 13, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
That's the problem with antitrust and monopoly issues. You get to the point where someone does such a good job that no one wants to use the competitors' products anymore. Suddenly that makes them evil and a monopoly. I'm just glad I'm not a someone who has to deal with this stuff.
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by odubtaig March 13, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
The only way in which it can be used against a company is if they use their position to ensure they no longer have to compete by producing better products.

A company having a monopoly is not the problem, that company using its monopoly to crush competitors who have better products instead of crushing competitors by making better products is. You let that happen and before long you've got the Soviet Union without the black market.

As for who's really worse, yes, many of the smaller companies would do exactly the same if they were in the same position but as they're not, they're not currently the problem. If and when they become the problem it will be time to do something about it but when time and resources are limited you go after the one causing the greatest immediate damage.
by dorianh49 March 13, 2009 10:03 AM PDT
I had a chance to experience Intel's strongarming back in the late 90's while working in Best Buy's computer (PC/HO) department. I was just learning to build computers, having built a few AMD K6-2 machines at this point. Intel's Pentium III had been stagnant at 500MHz for quite some time when, all of a sudden, AMD released their original Athlon at speeds approaching 750MHz. They benchmarked well ahead of anything offered by Intel, and were much more stable (on AMD's own chipset, the only chipset offered at the time) than their previous K6-2 and K6-3 offerings; yet, you couldn't find any major computer manufacturers or motherboard makers offering products for it.

After a few months, I was able to snag a vendor who would frequent our store and give us marketing material for their particular brand of computer products. The word on the street was, Intel was threatening all manufacturers to withold Intel products (or significantly raise their prices) if anybody decided to support AMD's new Intel-killer. Remember, most manufacturers make their money in the corporate world, which has always been thoroughly dominated by Intel, so this would have killed them.

There's a difference between making a good product to climb to the top, and using your position at the top to strongarm others into using your inferior products.
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by skillingssucks March 13, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
It has nothing to do with a company "doing such a good job that no one wants to use the competitors products anymore". Intel doesn't have any real competition because they own the x86 architecture. Let see how "good of a job" they'd be doing...and at what prices....if the the Samsung's, Toshiba's and the LG's of the world could make chips using that architecture.
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by Mergatroid Mania March 13, 2009 10:37 AM PDT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Intel want to abandon the X86 architecture a few years ago, and AMD was the company that kept it alive?

Talk about irony.
by Lerianis3 March 13, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
Excuse me, but Intel did NOT want to abandon the X86 architecture. They wanted everything to go 64-bit, which they GOT THEIR WISH! AMD and other people got on their case for wanting to go 64-bit WITHOUT keeping backwards compatibility, which NO ONE liked.
by LaColin March 13, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
I too have seen Intel's strong-arming first hand, probably even better than any sales associate from best buy could. It was back in the late 90's and I was working as a starbucks barista. One sunday, in walks this a$$h0le of a PR guy and tells our boss that he wants to set up a wifi "hotspot." We were all like, *** is a hotspot you dork. He proceeded to tell us what it was, and my boss told him that no-one would ever use a hotspot and that intel shouldn't waste time promoting stupid technology that no one will ever use. He then said that he was and always had been an AMD guy, and that intel sucked and shouldn't waste time with wifi and should focus on making chips that are as good as AMDs. You should have seen the look on the intel guy's face. So then the PR guy says, "who is your regional manager, I already have permission to set it up" and my boss tells him. So then, like 3 hours later he comes back with our regional manager, and gets my boss fired and sets up the hotspot. All the while, making smug expressions. I hate intel, they made my job as a barista harder because everyone started bringing in their laptops and taking up all the table space and asking me what the stupid access code was.

My point is, don't ask executives at the competition about intel's strongarming, ask the people on the streets and on the front lines. AMD executives sound like they are whining, but people like me, a starbucks barista, and the sales guy from best buy know the tribulations and pitfalls of Intel's monopoly better than anyone else. And we can describe it better too.
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by StumptownGeek March 13, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
This is strong-arming?

Starbucks corporate and Intel arranged to put a WiFi hotspot in your location, your manager proceeds to insult and impede an Intel person (PR? since when do PR people do installs?) trying to do that authorized work and as a result that manager gets fired for being a jerk?

Sounds like your boss deserved to get fired and it had nothing to do with the fact that the installer was from Intel. Next time maybe your former boss will have learned to do what his manager tells him to do and not to mouth off at suppliers.
by LaColin March 13, 2009 11:53 AM PDT
@StumptownGeek

It was an excercise in sarcastic hyperbole, for no reason other than I just felt like it and it was sort of a fun way to make a point.

To answer your follow up question: yes I'm bored and definitly need to find a hobby or something.
by dbrohamTV March 16, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
lol @LaColin this was hilarious
by Mergatroid Mania March 13, 2009 10:34 AM PDT
I can definitely see both sides of the argument here. Intel is a HUGE company, and very diverse, while AMD is much smaller. A company as large as Intel could easily use it's muscle unfairly, but often giving a company a good deal on their products is just salesmanship, and not unfair at all.

I agree with the person who said "I'm just glad I'm not a someone who has to deal with this stuff"
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by Lerianis3 March 13, 2009 2:25 PM PDT
Yeah, but what if they were giving someone a good deal on their products, to the point of losing money on them, just to put AMD out of business? That is what AMD and others are alleging: that Intel has done that on numerous occasions to keep them as a 'also-ran' in the market.
by dacopper March 13, 2009 12:57 PM PDT
The idea of this article was completely lost in the ocean of you sarcasm. Less sarcasm and more facts, man! Whether Intel has dominated the market to the point to monopolization is not for you, nor for me, and not even for AMD to decide. Leave the business to governments of their respected countries. If it decides that Intel is pulling too much leverage you probably should respect the decision even if it goes against your moral, religious or sexual beliefs.
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by marbrosam March 13, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Putting aside the emotions that always come up in this debate, there's a couple of facts worth mentioning:

1- Intel originally invented the x86 architecture back in the days, and AMD was merely a manufacturer licensing not only the architecture - x86 - but the actual chip design and layouts...
Intel had to live with this because many customers, especially the millitary required a second source manufacturer.

Later on Intel stopped licensing the new x86 processor design (I think it was the 486 or pentium when they stopped licensing it) but AMD still retained the x86 architecture license and for many reasons Intel couldn't take that from AMD. At this point AMD designed its very first processor all by itself and eventually became a competitor after years of being just a second source manufacturers.

2- The competitive environment today boils down who has the best performance/dollar (or performance/watt). Intel is the leader now hands down, but that wasn't the case a few years ago.

3- Intel didn't try to kill the x86, they did introduce the Itanium a few years ago but never discontiued the x86.

Its true things were ugly back in the nineties, but that's back in the nineties. AMD has not only recovered from it, they were actually the technology leader for several years at the turn of the century.

Time for everyone to move on and focus on the present.
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Brooke Crothers has served as an editor at large at CNET News, an editor at Dow Jones' Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly, and a senior editor at InfoWorld. His CNET blog covers chip technology and computer systems, and how they define the computing experience. He also contributes to The New York Times' Bits and Technology sections. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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