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November 14, 2008 12:20 PM PST

AMD: Netbooks? No thanks

by Brooke Crothers

Updated at 9:00 p.m. with additional comments on Netbooks at bottom.

In case you missed it, Advanced Micro Devices is passing on Netbooks. At least as Intel and its partners have defined the category.

AMD thinks that ultrathin 13-inch designs such as the MacBook Air address a more viable market than what it calls mininotebooks.

AMD thinks that ultrathin 13-inch designs such as the MacBook Air address a more viable market than what it calls mininotebooks.

(Credit: Apple)

In fact, a lot of the media outlets missed this point completely, insisting that AMD is going to go head-to-head with Intel on Netbook processors--apparently because it satisfies a journalistic boilerplate that AMD must, just must, have a direct response to Intel's Atom.

Just to set the record straight, here's what AMD Chief Executive Dirk Meyer said Thursday: "We're ignoring the Netbook phenomenon--just thinking about PC form factors above that form factor."

I think that is a pretty unambiguous statement. But if that wasn't clear enough, here's what Bahr Mahony, director of notebook product marketing at AMD said: "We're going to offer the Congo and Yukon platforms as an alternative (to processors and chipsets for Netbooks). There are a fair number of people that are not satisfied with the experience they're getting on these mininotebook platforms." (AMD uses the terms Netbook and mininotebook interchangeably.)

(Note that AMD has also said it will not enter the market for mobile Internet devices, or MIDs, another sign that AMD is pursuing a different course than the one Intel has charted with Atom.)

In an effort to underscore his doubts about Netbooks, Mahony added that the dissatisfaction with Netbooks "has been exhibited by the high return rates that have been seen on these mininotebooks" in Europe.

Asus or Acer may have something to say about that, but at the very least, this offers a fresh perspective on this possibly overhyped category.

And AMD spokesman John Taylor said Thursday that AMD is specifically not targeting Netbook designs. That is, those designs with an 8- to 12-inch screen.

AMD's strategy seems solid, in my opinion. Go for a segment that is bigger and better than Netbooks. The ultraportable category (the MacBook Air being the best example) is full of attractive but expensive designs. Why not work with PC makers to offer an ultrathin, ultralight, full-featured 13-inch notebook that is priced a lot less than $1,800? Why not $600 or $700?

In addition to the conventional criticism of Netbooks (small screens, tiny keyboards), an underrated fact is that many users eventually get the feeling that they're stuck with an underpowered laptop.

And being underpowered often hinges on lackluster graphics. In a conversation Thursday with Pat Moorhead, vice president of advanced marketing at AMD, he pointed to the graphics capability of AMD's upcoming Conesus CPU, which will use ATI's RS780M graphics: better graphics and better user experience overall.

The MacBook Air offers probably the best proof of this thinking. Apple (which, if you haven't noticed, doesn't offer a netbook), originally went with Intel's integrated graphics in the Air, but due to customer dissatisfaction with graphics performance, it added Nvidia GeForce 9400M graphics to its newest models.

Delivering a more powerful dual-core processor (such as AMD's Conesus) for this segment would also turn some heads and offer a more full-featured experience. Intel will be the first one to tell you that Atom is underpowered for many applications.

Are AMD customers clamoring for Netbooks like Intel customers are? "Frankly, I don't get the same answer when I talk to the customer base," AMD's Meyer said Thursday. Time will tell whether the CEO's strategy is right, but it offers a well-thought-out alternative to the Netbook as we know it.

Additional comments:
As a point of clarification. A Netbook is not a thin notebook. AMD has stated it will pursue the latter market. (Whether this pans out or not is another question. Consumer tastes and time will ultimately dictate the form factor.) Thin notebooks are typically full-featured with relatively large 12-, 13- or 14-inch screens. Netbooks, by contrast, are tiny in size (just visit a Best Buy: Asus Netbooks are almost invisible next to a standard notebook) and use low-power, low-performance Atom processors. The Netbook category now exists because of the stark difference in form factors (and price). And the market has borne this out. The Netbook category is defined, to a large extent, by the Atom processor, which is architecturally very different than the Yukon and Congo platforms that AMD will launch. That's why CEO Meyer and others at AMD are going out of their way to draw a distinction between Netbooks and the type of design that AMD will pursue.

Brooke Crothers is a former editor at large at CNET News.com, and has been an editor for the Asian weekly version of the Wall Street Journal. He writes for the CNET Blog Network, and is not a current employee of CNET. Contact him at mbcrothers@gmail.com. Disclosure.
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by slickuser November 14, 2008 1:14 PM PST
AMD does not have a resources and money to compete Intel in Netbooks category. So, instead
of just admitting that, they are indirectly saying that Netbooks is a bad idea from Intel!!
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by Mr. Dee November 14, 2008 2:28 PM PST
I agree, they just don't have the resources to do it and possibly the lack in technical know how. I will be the first to admit that Netbooks for me now are just not on my list of future purchases. But considering that they will be become more powerful in the future makes them still something to think about.
by coolwaterdvr November 29, 2008 8:48 AM PST
yawn...another intel fanboy!
by lesliejs November 14, 2008 1:34 PM PST
netbooks are gradually turning into small form factor notebooks with longer lasting battery power. The "netbook" category won't last much longer. AMD needs to stay focused on the notebook and small-form factor notebooks and they'll still keep a piece of the pie..
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by bwtanker November 14, 2008 1:50 PM PST
why would anybody want to strain their eyes on a small notebook screen.I have a 15.4 screen and sometimes i wish i had bought the 20" with a dual core AMD rather than the single core AMD i have.Even on my computer i have two 22" Dell monitors and i'm thinking i should have bought the 24" monitors
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by gggg sssss November 14, 2008 6:24 PM PST
because the netbook fits in a purse or small attache case.
by AppleSuxLeo November 14, 2008 2:41 PM PST
Amateur Micro Devices
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by benjwah November 14, 2008 11:43 PM PST
Hoo, burn. I'm sure they felt that one.
by DrtyDogg November 14, 2008 3:00 PM PST
I think it's a great plan for them, Intel has been eating their lunch recently. Trying to match Intel across all of their products would spread AMD thin. Hopefully they can get things back to a two horse race for processors.

Competing on price only benefits the consumer!
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by HlLLARY CLITON November 14, 2008 3:07 PM PST
I would have bought one, oh well their loss
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by ldignan November 14, 2008 4:44 PM PST
Boy is this AMD definition thing a merry go round. Give me a break.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10862
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by gggg sssss November 14, 2008 6:29 PM PST
Just got the first of a fleet of Dell mini. Running XP Seems slow, but it will only do web applications. How much of a load can that be? No RIA or AIR or whatever. No javascript code blaot to do fancy transitions. Just plain asp.net web forms.

Every female office memeber that I showed it to loves it. They are going to schlep them around. Nice and light. Even teh power supply is as small as a cell phones - not a 3 pound brick like some other notebooks.
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by protopartorg November 15, 2008 4:33 PM PST
What do you mean about "no js code" and so on? I'm writing here using Dell Latitude L400 with 700MHz pIII-M CPU and 256M of SDRAM (at 133MHz or even 100MHz, I can't remember). My notebook is really weaker than Dell Mini, but there's no problems with bloated javascript goodies. Is it a benefit of latest Opera? :-)
by AppleSuxLeo November 15, 2008 6:47 AM PST
AMD ? NO THANKS.
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by BigGuns149 November 15, 2008 1:17 PM PST
AMD doesn't want to compete with Intel on the high end and they don't want to compete with Intel on the lower end with Netbooks so what are they trying to make their market?

AMD still has some decent low end desktop processors, but they have pretty much conceded the high end on both the desktop and mobile space and now they are conceding the low end mobile to Intel. It seem like AMD has really gone downhill in the last 2 years. Back in 2006 it looked like AMD was going to come to dominate the desktop CPU market, but now it appears AMD is destined for irrelevance.
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by AppleSuxLeo November 15, 2008 9:51 PM PST
Hundreds of fragile pins sticking out of the back of the chip is a ****-poor design. Intel got it right with the Ball Grid Array. AMD SUX big time...and are at least two years behind.
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by 3rdalbum November 15, 2008 10:31 PM PST
The Intel Atom does not define the netbook category. The "original" netbook was the Asus EeePC 7 inch, with a Celeron processor. The next was the VIA Nanobook reference design (used in the Everex Cloudbook, among others), which of course used a VIA processor. There are now MIPS and ARM processors in certain netbooks too.

In terms of low-power, low-cost portable computing, AMD was actually there before Intel. Ever heard of the AMD Geode processor?

However, AMD are right not to be looking into the netbook market; it's too crowded, and the Atom is the "must-have" processor. We'll see some of the latecomers retreating out of the netbook market, and we'll be left with a handful of good machines that will compete with better features and battery life.
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by t8 November 16, 2008 2:06 PM PST
Netbooks and mobiles accessing web services is actually the future, and not a fad.
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Brooke Crothers was formerly editor-at-large at CNET News.com, an analyst at IDC (International Data Corp.) Japan, and an editor at The Asian Wall Street Journal Weekly (The Wall Street Journal, Dow Jones), among other endeavors, including a recent hiatus from the tech industry when he co-managed an after-school math and reading center. Nanotech covers computer chip technology and how it defines the computing experience. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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