Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image
REDMOND, Wash.--After months of searching for ways to defend its oft-maligned Windows operating system, Microsoft may just have found its best weapon: Vista's skeptics.
Spurred by an e-mail from someone deep in the marketing ranks, Microsoft last week traveled to San Francisco, rounding up Windows XP users who had negative impressions of Vista. The subjects were put on video, asked about their Vista impressions, and then shown a "new" operating system, code-named Mojave. More than 90 percent gave positive feedback on what they saw. Then they were told that "Mojave" was actually Windows Vista.
"Oh wow," said one user, eliciting exactly the exclamation that Microsoft had hoped to garner when it first released the operating system more than 18 months ago. Instead, the operating system got mixed reviews and criticisms for its lack of compatibility and other headaches.
To be sure, the focus groups didn't have to install Vista or hook it up to their existing home network. Still, the emotional appeal of the "everyman" trying Vista and liking it clearly packs an emotional punch, something the company has desperately needed. Microsoft is still trying to figure out just how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will clearly have a place.
The Mojave project is likely to be just one of many efforts designed to resuscitate Vista's image as well as lend strength to the Windows platform among stepped-up competition from Apple and Google. In an interview Wednesday, Windows unit business chief Bill Veghte told CNET News that he wants to see his unit try new things to get the message across.
"We have a huge perception opportunity," he said, offering a glass half-full assessment of things. "We are going to try a bunch of stuff."
The image improvement effort, known internally as FTP, has many components. Well-publicized are the hundreds of millions that Microsoft plans to spend on a broad campaign buttressed by edgy ads from Crispin Porter and Bogusky. But Veghte wants the company pushing on multiple marketing fronts.
With small businesses, for example, Microsoft earlier this month launched the "Assurance" campaign. In that effort, Microsoft is offering free Vista-related technical support, a move that will add millions of dollars to Microsoft's telephone support costs. The point, Veghte said, is that businesses want to see Microsoft standing behind its product.
Veghte is convinced, like others at Microsoft, that despite early technical challenges, Vista's problems are primarily ones of perception.
Much of that perception, Microsoft belatedly acknowledges, stems from Apple's successful and unchallenged anti-Vista campaign. But, after stewing over the ads on many of his morning runs, Veghte decided that it was time to strike back, even without a new version of Windows to tout. Apple, he said, has "crossed a line" from fact into fiction.
Others at Microsoft have been sounding a similar note. Marketing vice president Brad Brooks told partners earlier this month that Microsoft was "drawing a line in the sand," while Steve Ballmer promised in a memo to employees Wednesday that after doing some hard technical work on Vista that it was now time for Microsoft to "tell our story."
"In the weeks ahead, we'll launch a campaign to address any lingering doubts our customers may have about Windows Vista," Ballmer wrote. "And later this year, you'll see a more comprehensive effort to redefine the meaning and value of Windows for our customers."
What gives the Mojave project its power, though, is the fact that it isn't Ballmer or someone else at Microsoft saying that Vista has gotten a bad rap. It's everyday people.
With scenes reminiscent of both Apple's "real people" campaign of a few years back as well as classic commercials from Folgers and others, the Mojave project could prove a formidable weapon.
The Mojave project is remarkable both for its humble origin as well as the speed with which it was pulled off. The idea started barely two weeks ago in an e-mail from Microsoft's David Webster to several superiors, including Veghte. Given the green light, Microsoft started videotaping responses just last week, in San Francisco. The preview Veghte gave to CNET News on Wednesday was the first time the footage had been shown outside the company and its contractors.
The footage could get a public airing as soon as next week or even at Thursday's financial analyst meeting, although plans were still in flux as of late Wednesday night. Veghte will come under increased scrutiny now that his boss, division president Kevin Johnson, is leaving the company. For the time being, Veghte and Windows engineering chief Steven Sinofsky will both report to Ballmer, who has called the work on Windows the company's top priority.
The need for the campaign is clear. Apple has been making inroads, as well as headlines with its anti-Vista push. Although Microsoft dominates in corporations and in overseas markets, Apple has been grabbing a significant share of the consumer market in the U.S., pushing its overall domestic share as high as 8.5 percent last quarter, a significant rise from even a year ago.
Microsoft is already at work on Windows 7, the next version of the operating system. But Veghte said the company can't wait for a new product to start firing back.
"I've got to start having that discussion in the marketplace," Veghte said. "I've got to start driving that now. People feel guilty (about Vista). It's wrong."
Microsoft hasn't said a ton about Windows 7, but it has talked about both a new multitouch interface as well as reassuring customers, particularly businesses, that it won't be making the kinds of dramatic changes under the hood that were made with Vista.
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.




Wow. Sounds like Deja Vista all over again.
Instead of a more unified presentation to the end-user where you can easily identify what you are to do by consistent visual cues.
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As a matter of fact, they did use visual cues. There's pleanty of them! When minimizing, it que's the eyes that the windows minimized are going down to the task bar, teh scroll bars will illuminate when the cursor runs over the scroll bars, this enables the user that these items are accessible. The Start Menu has been also enhanced visually. Instead of having to follow a menu to submenus, commonly if you move the mouse off the sub menu in the All Programs listing, you'll lose your place and may have to start over again. Vista keeps everything in a single column, which actually keeps it simple and easier, especially the Live Windows Search feature. There's plenty more...
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The culture of management at MS is one of rigid conformist type dictatorship, not one of ingenuity and creativity.
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Right, like other companies that are "supposedly" better then MS (Like APPLE) advertise these 'new features' when they are actually patch ups, that cost about 150 bucks and pull off other peoples ideas and say that it's theirs...
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This is besides the fact that Vista itself is not very user friendly to begin with. Anyone using Vista can see the complete lack of understanding of how people interact with computers.
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This is false, the user interface is very closely resembles XP, and shows the Explorer Tree on the left hand side (which can be turned off). User Interface was designed by people suggestions about how Vista should be from the basic consumer. Don't blame MS for what consumers wanted.
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Half the time I am not even sure what you are supposed to click on. Sometime it is an icon, sometimes it is a button, sometimes it is an entire paragraph of text. Yes you can figure it out pretty quickly but there is that extra second or so that is needlessly wasted having to actually figure out what it is you are supposed to do..
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You must really suffer from memory loss if you are complaining about a 1 to 2 second learning curve for an operating system that has new features. New Features are not recognized at first until someone actually tries it and uses it. You buy a new phone and it takes you about 30 minutes to an hour to figure it out and after you've used it about a week, you will know the phone inside and out. People like yourself, who complains about a 1 to 2 second delay because you think your clicking the wrong thing, show major incompetence how to actually work a computer. Like I said earlier, that Vista has about the same UI as XP, and therefore getting from point a to b is no different. The looks are differnet, but the way to do things do not take an extra step.
I've used Vista since December 2007, and I had zero issues with it. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and probably never used Vista or Windows for that matter. If you're really going to point out flaws, do some actual research and come back about them. Otherwise you just made yourself look stupid, complaining about 1 to 2 second learning curves?
**Uncle Bill Gates produces new operating system.
--New operating system requires more RAM/processor speed
--...which in turn requires replacement motherboard
***That means buy a new computer (it's easier for the "Windows for Dummies" people.)
***Not to mention, now we have to buy new peripherals to replace the ones that worked just fine, just not with the new operating system.
Does Uncle Bill have stock in those peripheral companies like George Bush is part owner of 'Big Oil' in the Middle East?
**Unfortunately, Uncle Bill is alienating all of his older audience by constantly re-inventing, and and forcing long-time customers to re-learn how to do functions/features that have been moved,replaced, and/or removed.
I'm only 33 yrs. old, and I am a long time customer that is pissed off!!!
derf
"And any gamer who says they can't play games on Vista is an utter idiot."
Typical M$ fanboi-ism. Anyone who has problems with fista is an idiot, despite the FACT the OS is pure garbage and requires a supercomputer just to load the desktop. It's not fista's fault, it's yours. Just like "the man" would say. "It's not that our software sucks donkeys, it's just that you aren't working it right."
Fista makes XP look fast on the same hardware and XP makes Linux look screamingly fast on the same hardware. Plus Linux is *FAR* more stable, has *FAR* fewer exploits possible (never mind the number of exploits in the wild) and isn't tied down with DRM crapware that decides for you if your equipment will work.
Anyone who defends fista is an utter idiot.
gg
derf
If you like waiting for 10 minutes for Vista to load, then yes it loads FAST!!!
I have had Vista for over 1 1/2 years and I HATE IT!!!
Too much OVERHEAD!!! TOO MUCH DRAG ON RESOURCES!!
I want an OS that LOads and runs without having to wait forever!!
And don't get me started on restarts or shutdowns!!!
GEESH
Ummmm Have you ever heard of Anti-spyware software!?!!?!?
I have never had to wipeout and re-install Windwos XP due to SPYWARE, and I have been working on PC's as a Tech for over 30 years!!
Now once in while I have had to completely reformat due to a REALLY STUbborn VIRUS, but never due to SPYWARE!! If youae having to do that due to spyware then you need to take some computer classes or send the PC to a TRUE TECHNICIAN to fix it!!
VISTA SUCKS end of story
If you have good anti-virus / spyware protection, then XP works like a dream, there is room for improvement, but it is probably the best windows i've ever used.
If this were a pre-social media world - I think they would have hit it out of the park with this tactic
but they still need to deliver on user reviews
and that is a much tougher nut to crack
In case Microsoft is listening
maybe do some big seed marketing and allow "x" users to download Vista for free
the full version - no strings attached
and let the new group spread the word about vista 2.x
cheers
Miro
http://miroslodki.wordpress.com
PS any volunteers?
I think I'ld give it a whirl
"Why should I upgrade to Windows Vista?"
That Microsoft released an OS that clearly wasn't ready did not help matters and it's tough to restore confidence in a product that has already been derided. The OS may be great now but shaking the image that it gained in the beginning will be difficult and Microsoft should not have allowed that to occur in the first place.
Personally, I look at Vista and I like the idea of having pervasive search facilities. Unfortunately, as much as I want that I can't justify paying the license fee just for that, and I'm damned if I can see anything else in the product that makes me want it over XP.
Frankly, Microsoft probably would do best to give up on this except for encouraging businesses to upgrade. Home users who wanted Vista have already got it, and those who aren't interested are unlikely to be swayed by a marketing campaign and will upgrade to Vista when they get a new PC.
What makes Vista superior to XP, and why the naive are so critically stupid, is what is under the hood. MS spent a crap load of time under the hood. Reengineering Windows. Vista is Microsoft?s OS X. you know. That other OS that sucked harder then a black hole when it first came out. That sucked so bad that they had to give 10.1 away for free as an apology.
Then there is compatibility. God. I?m so sick of people. You either want a secure OS or you want an OS that is completely compatible. MS tried to give you both without making another Windows 9x, 2K, or XP. You know. Those OS?s that had a metric crap ton of security patches once a month.
The underlying architecture of Vista is solid. It?s simply a matter of letting it mature. Both with newer hardware and more patches.
However feel free to blast Vista like the all the other ignorant user?s out there.
PS- Typing this on a MacBook Pro Running 10.5.4 go ahead. Call me a fanboi. I dare you.
That being said, I disagree with you on your comparison between Vista and OSX. Vista is an evolution of an existing platform, like every version of Windows before it. Whether or not it is enough of an evolution to upgrade for is a matter of personal opinion, and I don't care myself.
OSX, on the other hand, is a completely different operating system than OS9. No legacy support, different code, different architecture, it was a desperate move in desperate times (and arguably the right move). They didn't tinker under the hood of OS9 to create OSX. OSX was previously NextStep. When OSX became the default OS, they put OS9 into virtualisation (classic mode), and put developers on notice that the entire OS9 architecture was being retired. Eventually Classic mode was stripped out and now the only way you can run an OS9 program is on a PowerPC with OS9 installed on a partition.
So, people can argue up and down about whether an OS should include legacy support or not. Vista does, OSX does not, although it did initially with Classic mode. But who cares. The point is that Vista is an evolution of 20+ year old Windows architecture, plus DOS before that, whilst OSX was a complete and total departure from its predecessors.
Frankly, if I was in charge of MS, I'd rebuild Windows from the ground up as well, and throw legacy apps into a virtualisation layer.
@ Jonathan: in regards to: "You either want a secure OS or you want an OS that is completely compatible..." Actually, one can have both secure and compatible, if the OS were designed intelligently. Problem is, it wasn't. Second problem is, it is apparent that Microsoft gave little warning to the dev community, then arrogantly provided no means by which vendors would at least have some sort of compatibility mode (e.g. OSX' "Classic") to ease transition.
It's going to be really interesting once MSFT is finally forced to cut the cord forever.
I run XP, Vista, Ubuntu and OSX. For a windows operating system vista is as incompatible with games and other windows software as linux and OSX. As a consumer there is no reason to buy vista. For business - even less.
With Vista Windows has jump the shark and is being out innovated by apple. By the time this 'fix' this mess with Windows 7, apple (and probably linux) will have the same WOW factors and dilivered them for years e.g. touch. Windows is bloated and the 'modularization' that they did in vista made its a slow incompatible mess.
This Mojave sip test - won't fool the person who 'drinks the whole can' vista in practice doesn't past muster.
They need to do what they've promised for years - a true micro kernel redo of windows. Make a new OS. MinWin is there only hope. Do it and be plain and clear on how this will be incompatible.
The days of bloated desktop OSs is over.
The second and third time around Vista impressed me. I could tell that my aging machine that I was considering for multimedia couldn't handle the task put in front of it, but it gave me some time to play with the OS. Now, I absolutely love Vista - it's not as fast in any one application as XP might be, but multitasking is WAY better, and the lack of interface chug is awesome.
The problem Microsoft will face is that most folks will only go by first impressions, and not give it another go 12-18 months later. Vista took too long to come out, and too long to garner real support in this round, much like Windows 2000. People forget how much 2000 was bashed to realize that XP was basically the same kernel just with a fresh look 2 years later. Every time there's a major change in the OS it takes the "refresh" for folks to think it's better. 95 OSR2, 98 SE, XP. They didn't change anything, just refreshed and repaired things that didn't go as planned.
What about the 10 percent that didn?t like what they saw? Or maybe they knew what they were looking at. The article say?s ?they rounded up Windows XP users? I would like to know the criteria of qualifying these users. I bet the questions went something like this.
Do you use a computer? ? YES
What OS does it have? ? WHAT?S THAT? ? Operating system, you know like XP or Vista! ? OH I USE XP.
Have you used vista? ? YES.
Did you like it? ? NO.
What didn?t you like about it? ? I TRIED TO INSTALL A PRINTER AND IT WOULD NOT WORK.
What if we showed you a new Operating System that would work with your Printer? ? COOL.
Ok your in:) - WOW!
Give me a break. Someone should go back and interview these people after they've installed it and tried to use it for a few weeks. THAT would be a riot.
If Microsoft made Vista run faster than XP, made it run longer on notebooks on battery power, allowed apps to run faster, and didn't relocate all the networking and other settings into different locations and dialogues, perhaps IT professionals might have viewed Vista differently.
Professionals need compelling reasons to upgrade; Microsoft, with Vista, gave them none of this and the above facts gave them incentive to avoid Vista. Now that XP is end-of-life we may be forced on new computers to deal with Vista, and over time everyone will adopt it, but most professionals will call Vista a misstep. But it seems unlikely that MS will ever look at making their OS a lighter beast, and as a result, Linux and Apple will gain market share at MS' expense.
If MS feels a little sore, they ought to be: Vista is not a compelling upgrade, and Apple poked them where it hurts. They had it coming. The "Mojave" initiative smells like a canned presentation -- perhaps they will put it online for the masses to decide.
jschear@fuse.net
Norseman: Vista installs in less time than XP and is more streamlined with fewer confusing questions and options for people to figure out. Installation on a current generation machine is exceedingly simple- put the disk in and install. If you can click a mouse, you can install Vista. Granted, some people have trouble with the concept of a mouse, but those people probably shouldn't be installing *any* OS.
As for OSX - it's drop-easy to support for any real sysadmin - pop open the terminal (or just SSH to the box), and you've got a BSD bash prompt right there, with all the tools and toys that make life easy.
A self-professed "active Sys Admin" that can't handle a command line. Now THAT'S irony!
That is all you needed to say.
MS certifications are about as tough to get as tying your shoes. It is also less useful then shoe tying skills.
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by ch1200
July 24, 2008 7:16 AM PDT
- You do not upgrade!
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by kelmon
July 24, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
- I totally agree with the final line. Vista is not suddenly going to improve your computing experience unless it gives you access to applications that won't run on another OS.
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by The_Decider
July 27, 2008 1:32 AM PDT
- The OS matters as well.
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Showing 1 of 7 pages (208 Comments)Vista comes into its own only when bying a new computer. In my part of the world you now get a first-class laptop with 4GB RAM, 256GB disk, Vista Home, and external 300GB hard disk and MS Office for 999.- USD.
Why on earth have anything else since it works like charm?
Anyway, OS:s are only a necessary evil. Only applications matter.
As bad as Windows is, would you really want VB and .net "programmers" managing memory and disk IO? *shudders