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April 25, 2008 11:47 AM PDT

Microsoft's piracy problem could grow

by Ina Fried

When it comes to software piracy, Microsoft may just be aiding the enemy.

Microsoft has been counting on gains against unlicensed software to boost revenue from the Windows unit, which accounts for a huge chunk of overall profits and sales. However, one of the company's own decisions could make its antipiracy battle more difficult.

With Windows Vista, Microsoft took an extremely tough stand on piracy. Computers that were not properly activated within a short period of time went into a virtually unusable state known as "reduced functionality mode."

In the newly released Service Pack 1, however, Microsoft is softening its stance somewhat. The reduced functionality mode is gone, and in its place, a series of warnings and visual indications that a computer is not running a genuine copy of Windows.

I would argue, though, that having an unusable copy of Windows is a far greater deterrent than having one that simply labels its user a pirate. Microsoft has maintained that the new approach will be just as effective and is more palatable to customers and partners. Color me skeptical.

But, will the changes automatically lead to an uptick in overall piracy rates? That's a more complicated question.

On its face, it would seem the answer would be a clear "yes."

However, there are a couple of other factors to keep in mind. First, Windows XP is pirated far more than Vista (at least 2 to 1, according to Microsoft). Also, Microsoft did close several notable hacks to its Vista protection scheme with SP1. So while the price for piracy is arguably lower, Microsoft has closed a few loopholes that let pirates bypass the security features altogether.

Time will tell whether Microsoft's technical changes will have an impact on the broader piracy issue. Enforcement is also key, with Microsoft CFO Chris Liddell noting that a couple of legal actions can make a big difference in any given quarter, suggesting true gains (or losses) from piracy require looking at a longer time horizon.

What is clear is that piracy rates remain a critical issue for Microsoft, which needs to continue growing its Windows revenue and profits to help fund its advertising battle against Google.

Microsoft had seemed to be making major headway against piracy, surprising analysts and itself in the September quarter by gaining 5 percentage points of growth through piracy reductions. Last quarter, though, Microsoft actually saw piracy rates head upward, reversing what had been a particularly positive trend for the company.

Microsoft now expects its gains for the year to be just a percentage point or two, though it believes it can continue to see improvements next year as well.

"Piracy is a tough battle and an area where we will need to continue investing," said Colleen Healy, Microsoft's general manager of investor relations.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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Linux companies should push for a "Open source appreciation day"
by JCPayne April 25, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
A day where you donate to the open-source programs you use in appreciation...
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Which comment has ...
by A Mouse April 25, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
... precisely nothing to do with the story at hand, and serves only to establish the extent of your fanboi syndrome.

Don't get me wrong--I use Ubuntu and Debian at home, and I'm a big fan of Linux. But having to hear the Linux-otaku sound off at every single opportunity--whether or not it has a thing to do with Linux--is nothing more than an indication of fanaticism.
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Tough balancing act
by A Mouse April 25, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
Either you run the risk of being too soft on pirates (and they get away with it), or the risk of being too hardcore (and have paying customers false-positived as pirates).
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Price
by durango4 April 25, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
You could also not charge a fortune for the OS. Family pack of OS
X (license for 5 copies of OS X at home) is $199. What's the cost
for 5 copies of full featured version of Vista? On top of that I spend
all this money for Vista "Business" version and can't watch a DVD!
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a tough balancing act indeed
by van_Zeller April 25, 2008 7:13 PM PDT
If they push too hard on pirates (i mean really hard, like disabling the system) gradually and after some time, those people would migrate to other alternatives, not just start paying. It wouldn't happen overnight, but gradually the people who don't pay now would start looking for a way to keep on not paying.

The pirated user base is a large part of Microsoft's 90% OS share and they don't want risk losing, say, 20 of those 90%.
Killing XP Will Worsen Problem
by smist08 April 25, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
The real piracy will begin when they stop selling XP. No one wants Vista, and now MS's usual paying customers will have to pirate XP to get the operating system they want. Turning paying customers into pirates will be far more damaging to MS than the existing problem.
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As odd as this might sound
by Anysia April 26, 2008 1:53 AM PDT
I have been trolling Ebay and scooping up a few copies of XP. I know sooner or later, they will stop selling it, and then pirating will be the only alternative for anyone with newer machine who don't want VISTA.
pirated or not...
by herkamur April 25, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
I'm still not interested in the product. There's a lot I don't like about it (built-in DRM being among the list toppers). Microsoft could offer it for free and I still wouldn't want it. I have computers running OS X, Linux, AmigaOS, OpenVMS and Windows at home. I'm keeping my Windows at XP for the forseeable future. If Microsoft won't allow me to run it at some point the I won't run Windows any more.
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Yeah, right.....
by Leria April 25, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
I've heard that from a lot of people before when XP came out and they were still on 98 or ME..... they switched, sooner or later, to XP.

Don't say that "You are not going to switch!" when everyone knows that someone who says that is blowing a lot of hot air.
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Microsoft doesn't really care
by rbanffy April 25, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
Microsoft doesn't really care as long as people run Windows. For them, it's better when people run a pirate Windows than when they switch to OSX or Linux because those who switch rarely come back, if ever.

It will be fun to watch their inevitable fall. About as much as it was to watch their rise at IBM's expense.

Fun times, indeed.
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Stopping XP sale will increase Mac, Linux and XP piracy
by rtripathi April 25, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
I had to upgrade my son's HP notebook to XP as Vista was too slow and annoying to be usable.
If one can not get XP, then switching to MAC, Ubuntu, pirated copy of XP or getting Asus upcoming 9" Eee PC with XP preinstalled are the only choices left.
I'll be switching to 9" Eee PC and Ubuntu.
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www.apple.com/getamac
by close5828 April 25, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
I'm no fanboy but if you are a Vista defector (like me), this is your only hope other than Linux.
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Not a reasonable choice for gamers
by Leria April 25, 2008 4:34 PM PDT
Which are 90% of the people who buy Windows machines, once you exempt the business users.
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Yeah, it's piracy....
by The_happy_switcher April 25, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
right, let's ignore the elephant in the room, i.e. Apple eating Microsoft's lunch.
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Not really. Pirates aren't affected either way.
by hawkeyeaz1 April 25, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
All you have to do is get one of a dozen virtual machine programs, and install the OS. Take a snapshot of the virtual drive. Boot the virtualized OS, then shut down and take a snapshot. Wait for it to expire (to unfunctional mode) and take a snapshot. Compare the snapshots with a diff utility. Unless you install a lot of programs or updates, there will only be a few dozen changes. Now, if you correct these, you are *on the road* to restoring functionality (until next boot). Now you do a clean install, and take a snapshot. Diff that with the first clean install. Only a few dozen locations will be different--the date stamp. Now you can alter that to keep it going.

Then you debug the virtual machine, and watch for accessing that location. Now you have the code that checks that. If you neuter it, you have a winning card.

Now, it is more complicated than this, and no I am not someone who pirates (or even knows any pirates), but it is plainly obvious that this kind of procedure, especially with today's tools, makes it rather easy, and cheap, for a pirate to be unaffected by even the worst response of the program.

So? Only the casual pirates or the legitimate users suffer. Casual pirates can't afford it half the time anyway, or if they could, wouldn't buy it. So where is the loss? The users, not Microsoft's pocketbook. So this move is a better move, though it still needs a lot of reconsideration, as legitimate users still suffer.
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The Reason
by Stormspace April 25, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
They are loosening up on piracy because they would rather you use an illegal copy of windows than be forced to use an alternative. Using alternatives expose users to new OS's and potentially a lost sale later down the road.

Basically, MS hosed themselves with WGA and their marketshare is shrinking as a result.
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You hit the nail right on the head
by Leria April 25, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
I am usually a Microsoft 'fanboy' but this is one time where I agree that they shot themselves in the foot with their overzealous 'piracy prevention' tactics.

Hell, I just did a upgrade install of Windows Vista, and for some reason, it no longer said my software was genuine after that!
Toshiba said "Use the recovery disks!" but that would blow away everything on my hard drive.... **** that, I am NOT doing that.
So I downloaded a crack for Vista and am now using it 'illegally' because of Microsoft's stupidity and Toshiba's stupidity.
The real Reason
by J H F April 25, 2008 8:21 PM PDT
MS wants Pirates to use Vista. The tech savvy stay away from Vista so they are targeting those less technologically inclined be the pirates. By lowering the threshold for casual pirates they are trying to change the landscape to say that more people are Pirating Vista then XP.
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Unhappy Vista user
by MythicalMe April 25, 2008 2:02 PM PDT
Even with SP1 installed Vista is a dog; and not a lovable one. I'm hesitant to upgrade back to XP, time being one of my constraints.

One of my thoughts about why MS Vista might be slow is all the piracy checks. As a user/programmer of computers for some 28 years, I've always been an advocate of reducing complexity wherever possible. Computing will always be a trade-off of functionality versus time and each additional "feature" added is going to slow down the processing.

My suggestion, skip the piracy complexity being introduced and worry more about making a great product that people will be willing to buy. I bought Vista because I wanted to stay ahead of the curve and it has a lot of great improvements, but Microsoft should get back to basics and recall that the reason for having an OS is to provide device management services. Everything else is gravy.
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What are you running it on? A stripped down Linux box??
by WJeansonne April 25, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
Vista is just fine on my dual-core Dell. Quit your whining and get a new machine el cheapo.
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Validation
by Renegade Knight April 25, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
Good point. They could drop the validation checks as well. However I think there would be more gains to dropping the DRM requirements that now plague drivers and Vista Code for some future implemtation of some servcie that MS doesn't even have het.
Slow vista
by ritchiebaby April 26, 2008 1:21 AM PDT
I have installed vista on my pc my son's pc and several of my friends pc's . They love the feel of it and they too complained to me about the speed . So I checked out a few things and came up with a fix / workaround of sorts . All the pc's including mine in the power settings had been set to a balance power mode ? (default from install?) i.e a balance between power and energy saving , I set mine on high performance and the difference was staggering on balance mode you get ....wait for it... your PC running at one third of its speed !!! stick it to High and check the CPU speed is set to 100% and its a big, big difference , I called my frinds and family and told them too about this and all have said what a vast improvement it was. Check yours now
Windows 7
by Fire Balls April 28, 2008 9:03 AM PDT
I am a vista user as well and have been for a a few years (I beta tested it) There are a lot of features and things I love about vista. But as with any OS I have uses there are thing I don?t like as well. It?s bloated there is no doubt about that and of course that means that it?s slower then I would like. I think Microsoft sees that and if you are looking at their next OS (windows 7) they are working hard on trying to fix that. (a less then 40mb kernel ect.) Vista added some much needed security and features that XP is sorely missing. My hope is windows 7 will add the cleanness that is needed in a good OS instead of the bulkiness that we have now in Vista. Time will tell.
Macs Suck. Windows Vista rules.
by WJeansonne April 25, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
Get over it Appleheads! The current anit-Windows Vista spin borders on hysteria. It's all a bunch a hooey led by the liberal writers who hate Microsoft. What a joke.

I've been using Vista for over a year now on all of my machines at home (Count em' 5 in all) and no problems whatsoever. That's why I know this is all a bunch hooey spread by Appleheads, OpenSourcers and other anti-Microsoft nimrods.
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LOL a capitalist without the capitalisim
by russkeller April 25, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
I guess you missed the basic economics class about monopolies. Hmm.. Apples EULA Doesn't let you install OSX on PC's Linux is not a marketed product. Microsoft was convicted of being a Monopoly but held out until the bush administration took office so they never actually got broken up.

BTW I'm a registered Republican I just found the liberal comment just misguided enough to be squashed so I pointed out the Bush Administration thing.
Really?
by ServedUp April 25, 2008 5:50 PM PDT
I admit I use both Windows XP(sp2)and OS X on my Macbook and I find I have no problems at all with running either OS, side by side even. I also have Vista on it as well and out of the three its the slowest. The UI is not bad except for the widgets, but all and all its just nowhere near as polished as OS X Leopard when it comes to user experience, personally.

I also have an Intel Core 2 Duo PC, I built from scratch running XP. I had Vista on it for about three weeks and needlessly to say it can't top XP's speed and useability. Its very very sluggish as compared to XP and it doesn't work well with my older peripherals. Lets just say the experience has left me unimpressed to say the least. So I wiped the hardrive and did a clean install of XP.
I only use Vista on my Macbook when I have to.

I'm guessing your not a hardcore user like me and you probably only use those machines with a light workload. I just dont see how you can manage it.
Using Vista as my main OS is just out of the question. I just don't know where Microsoft is going with it.

And don't get me started on Ballmer's admitting Vista is a dud. Because I feel like I've just been ripped off a couple of hundred. You know?
yes because
by sanenazok April 25, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
Mac users already pay a hefty premium on the hardware which is money that also goes to Apple. Why would Apple care that someone installs two copies of OS X when it's all going on Apple hardware anyways.
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Bingo
by Leria April 25, 2008 9:37 PM PDT
That is the exact reason why Apple doesn't care about people 'pirating' their latest operating systems.... they already got their money on the hardware and have rigged it so that their OS's ONLY install on genuine Apple hardware, unless you tweak things.
Who would want to pirate Vista????? But a MAC
by Alastair Murray April 25, 2008 8:10 PM PDT
I converted across to OS-X about 4 years ago and have never
looked back. Yes I still use MS Office - why - because I don't hate
Microsoft - I admire Microsoft and Bill Gates - and Office is the
hands-down best suite on the market.
My favourite Windows OS was NT 3.51 - now that was STABLE - a
true work of art. And XP not bad, although I reboot at least once a
day as resources disappear.
But OS-X Leopard is amazing - and Stable!!
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Sweet Zombie Jesus!!!
by psychosmurf April 28, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
Do you mac heads just troll boards looking for opportunities to bash Windows??? I hate OS X just as much as I hate Windows. Go away already! Stick your apple fan-boy twisted bent corrupt logic back in your pants and leave the rest of the free-thinking intelligent world to its wares.

I have to reboot my XP system maybe, MAYBE, once a month and that's if I'm doing something really stupid like, oh, I don't know, visiting web sites and running software that I shouldn't be visiting or running . . .

AAAAAAHHHHHH!
Partially right
by GrandpaN1947 April 25, 2008 8:11 PM PDT
Vista pirating may be half of what XP is for a good reason, and it's not good pirate protections. Vista sux. Anyone pirating Vista is doing it out of curiosity. Give a good functional product worth buying and we will. Crybabies holler about XP pirating, bull$hit. MS made a lot of money from XP!
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Good read.
by Penguinisto April 25, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
Personally, I would hope that Microsoft would skip the whole 'reduced functionality mode' and simply encrypt and lock all local hard disk partitions within reach - including all major filesystems that are not NTFS or FAT32 (such as HFS, ext2/3, etc).

It is my contention that Windows originally got to where it is today because it was so easy to simply copy Windows 3.1 (and MS-DOS) and pass it around. Without that vast copy-fest, Microsoft would've never gotten a fraction of the user base it has now.

Of course, now that they're really huge, they're casting about for ways to protect what they have. selling new customers is a wash, because there are a LOT of defections away from Windows and towards Apple and Linux.

So... they go after the hordes who pirated Windows. I say they should stop playing nice and get serious about it... encrypt the entire hard disk with a 4096-bit SHA-1 algorithm, and leave only a pop-up window indicating that the user should call Microsoft in order to get the encryption passphrase. The caller can either prove they bought it legit, or they can cough up a credit-card number to get the passphrase and a legit license key.

That should prove once and for all if this whole thing about piracy is really the reason why MSFT is slipping or not.

/P
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Lawsuits.
by ralfthedog April 25, 2008 10:22 PM PDT
You are 30 minutes from deadline on a 25 million dollar contract. Suddenly every computer on you network lights up it's drive activity light. Next every computer has a blue screen with the 1-800 number to call to reactivate your computers.

Quite sad that the recording tells you to call back between 8:30 AM and 6:30 PM Monday through Friday.

:)
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I personally gave away XP a lot
by DrtyDogg April 25, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
probably hundreds of times, not counting P2P. What I installed. I still have the VLK memorized.
Perhaps I misunderstood you?
by Vegaman_Dan April 27, 2008 8:41 PM PDT
Penguinisto wrote:

"Personally, I would hope that Microsoft would skip the whole 'reduced functionality mode' and simply encrypt and lock all local hard disk partitions within reach - including all major filesystems that are not NTFS or FAT32 (such as HFS, ext2/3, etc). "

Are you saying you would advocate an-anti piracy scheme by Microsoft that would intentionally disable/lock out Linux and Macintosh file systems? Whatever for? I thought you were a supporter of these operating systems?

I think I must have misunderstood you. I read the rest of your comments but they only indicate you would support the deliberate disabling of other file systems by Microsoft. That seems very contradictory to your normal comments and viewpoints.
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SHA-1?
by Mam00th April 28, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
Sha-1 is a 128 bit hash algorithm...

4096 bit RSA would be useless as RSA really slow and as efficient as a 128 bit AES for this purpose

Just being technical
cry me a river
by emjaysea April 26, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
Bill Gates is still one of the richest men in the world, so how it is he can say with a straight face that piracy hurts him, I can't possibly fathom.
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Bill Gates?
by FireyIce01 April 28, 2008 3:48 AM PDT
Isn't that the guy that retired from MS?
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One thing that I want to say.
by Maelstorm April 26, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
One thing that I want to say is this: Microsoft's financial report for the quarter is not so much due to piracy as they would have you believe, but is in fact due to that crap called Vista. With no more new licenses being sold for Windows XP coming on June 30, there's going to be alot more piracy of Windows XP because users don't want to move to Vista.

There are people that I know who have bought new computers with Vista, then reformatted the harddisk and installed a unlicensed copy of Windows XP because they can't stand Vista. This is the real problem facing Microsoft. What do you do when nobody wants your product? The way that I see it, you have two options. Make your product better or fold. The consumer votes with their wallet, and the latest financial results from Microsoft reflect that. When Microsoft wakes up and realizes this fact, it will probably be too late. And don't forget that people are migrating to Apple and Linux as well.

"Eventually, all companies will be replaced." - Bill Gates.
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how dare you bashing M$
by GarCorp April 27, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
you wrote:

> Personally I'll write Vista off as another Windows ME (which is to
> say its crap) and wait to see what Windows 7 looks like.

my critique....
M$ has 25 years of writing crap, why blame Vista now? lol
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Pirates bring competition right?
by JCPayne April 28, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
???
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