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April 18, 2008 2:22 PM PDT

What's in Ray Ozzie's Mesh?

by Ina Fried

While Microsoft eventually hopes its Live Mesh effort will be a way for people to share data across all of their devices, the service that launches next week will be limited in several ways, CNET News.com has learned.

Next week, Microsoft will launch a pre-beta "technology preview" open to about 10,000 testers in the U.S., according to a source familiar with the company's plans.

File synchronization is an important component of Mesh, but not its only feature, the source said. Developers will be able to write their own applications for Live Mesh, with the idea that applications written for Mesh can then be accessed by a number of different devices.

Another key aspiration for Live Mesh is that it work with more than just Microsoft products. Out of the gate it will work with "multiple browsers," the source said. Initially it will be limited to XP and Vista PCs as well as Windows Mobile phones, however Microsoft wants to add Mac support as well more types of phones and even other devices, such as MP3 players.

Live Mesh is also not just a space for linking one's own devices and information. Users will be able to invite friends to share parts of their Mesh.

Ray Ozzie first talked about Mesh in a speech at last month's Mix '08 event in Las Vegas.

"Just imagine the possibilities of unified application management across the device mesh, centralized, Web-based deployment of device-based applications," he said. "Imagine an app platform that's cognizant of all of your devices. Now, as it so happens, we've had a team at Microsoft working on this specific scenario for some time, starting with the PC and focused on the question of how we might make life so much easier for individuals if we just brought together all your PCs into a seamless mesh, for users, for developers, using the Web as a hub."

The company will have more to say at Web 2.0 Expo next week, as well as at an April 24 event, both taking place in San Francisco. A Microsoft representative said the company did not have any comment ahead of its events next week.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.

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Coherence between MS products?
by durango4 April 18, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
Could that ever happen?
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Yes it will happen
by t8 April 18, 2008 9:01 PM PDT
That way a virus that comes through Internet Explorer could infect your hotmails, skydrive, and every other damned Microsoft bloated product.
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Yes.
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 7:21 AM PDT
It happens already and informed people call it Live (some call it Office too).
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A bit late
by y82whs April 18, 2008 6:46 PM PDT
Folks like Google offer full-fledged environments now. MSFT is in some private pre-beta with less features. Why does this sound so IBM mid 80s, as they lost the PC wars?
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A bit dumb
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 8:57 AM PDT
Folks like Google offer nothing like what Microsoft is offering here. It's incredible how you know that something that is still in beta and wasn't released has less features than something that doesn't exist. Why does this sound so anti-Microsoft mid 2000, as these people watch Microsoft keeping its dominance every year?
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Wow
by t8 April 18, 2008 8:59 PM PDT
They are so cutting edge if you put your mind back 3 years. The standard I measure this by is Google.
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What did Google have 3 years ago?
by archisgore April 19, 2008 2:55 AM PDT
that sounds anything like this? Or rather, what can I get from Google that sounds like this today?

http://archisgore.blogspot.com
Wow
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
Unfortunately for you, in this world you don't always necessarily have to be cutting edge, you just need to do it better than others. The standard I measure this by is Windows (90+% market share).
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Nice...
by Carion April 19, 2008 12:31 AM PDT
Will it have centralized DRM ??
Just can't wait.
But MS will probably mesh it up....
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Nice...
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
No, it will let you download every program and porn in the world for free! I bet you just can't wait. Ever considered a carrer in stand-up comedy?
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Upvise is doing it already on every single mobile phone!
by tbrethes April 19, 2008 12:53 AM PDT
Upvise is already doing it, except it works on ALL mobile phones, not only Windows Mobile, but also Java, Symbian, Blacbkerry and even Google Android (iPhone version is coming soon).

You can synchronize all your personal data between any mobile phone an any computer

There is a thin smart client app on the mobile phone device, with an clean iPhone like User interface. And on the desktop side, a nice and fast AJAX Web 2.0 interface.

Just like Mesh, it is also an open Developer platform as well and you can create your own mobile and web apps, with data synchronized in the cloud.

Try it here : http://www.upvise.com
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Pretty Neat
by kojacked April 19, 2008 1:29 AM PDT
Upvise looks pretty neat at first but from what I've read it takes a different tact than where Microsoft is going. It's basically a list manager primarily driven from a web client. There are a few hooks to phone resources and Google maps on the phone-side but on the desktop I belive most will be woafully disappointed moving from a rich app like Outlook to basic list manager like Upvise. They need to expand their integration with desktop apps and the different devices native storage for things like contacts, calendar, tasks, etc. That way people can have the best of both worlds: data stored in the cloud and access to it using the rich apps that already exist and the lightweight apps like Upvise offers for quick access to information.

Microsoft isn't looking to replace their existing infrastructure with a whole new system. They are going to integrate their rich desktop apps and mobile devices via the cloud. I suspect that by opening up the API they are hoping other application vendors will write plugins so their apps or devices can pull data from the cloud too.

But I suppose the other commentors here (not you) are right and Microsoft should just sit back and do nothing because they suck, aren't innovators, are evil, and stole their lunch money.
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This just in: iPhone is not a mobile phone!
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
No one cares if Upvise is already doing it, one cares about what it has to offer in comparison with Live Mesh and in what way is it better (from what I can learn from your comment, in nothing), Upvise does NOT work on all mobile phones (last time I checked, iPhone was still a mobile phone, even if very feature-lacking) and Live Mesh won't work only on Windows Mobile phones, so, until here, nothing better in Upvise compared to Live Mesh. So please stop marketing your product and complaining evil Microsoft stole your lunch and just make it better than Live Mesh, because people will always choose the best, not the original or the most famous (that's how big companies fall).
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What's in Ray Ozzie's Mesh? Sh*t, because he's from Microsoft.
by Fil0403 April 19, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
This appears to be the general opinion of many ignornat people. The same people that forget that, nowadays, you don't necessarily have to be the first or even cutting edge to win, you just have to do it better than others. And that's what Microsoft best at: at doing it better than others (and seems to **** off many people, LOL).
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What have they done better?
by The_Decider April 21, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
Zune?

Vista?

XBOX?

Office 2007?

LOLOLOLOL

By no means is any of this crap better than what is already out there.

Seriously, MS can't even copy 20 year old file systems. WinFS? 12 years of being vaporware. Congrats MS!
Can't wait to check it out. Hope it will be like WWT
by quikboy2 April 20, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
Judging from what I've heard, this sounds like another one of those really ambitious projects that MS wants to show off to the public. Kind of like WWTelescope.

If it's anything like WWT, then Mesh really sounds awesome.
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More meaningless crap from MS
by The_Decider April 21, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
Who cares about this?

Like a lot of the online services MS brought out the last 8 years and failed because MS didn't understand it and its hapless customers understood it even less.

Has there ever been a company so big and yet so irrelevant?
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