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March 5, 2008 10:09 AM PST

Microsoft shows IE 8 at Mix

by Ina Fried

LAS VEGAS--Microsoft offered its first public demonstration of Internet Explorer 8 on Wednesday, a prospect that had general manager Dean Hachamovitch struggling to figure out what to cover.

"I'm so excited that I had to figure out how to focus," he told the crowd. The marketing folks naturally suggested he point to three major advances, but Hatchamovitch disagreed.

"These are developers," he said he told the marketers. "They can count higher than three."

So, instead he said he would talk about eight features: CSS 2.1 support, CSS Certification, performance, start of HTML 5 support, new developer tools, activities, Web slices and one he hasn't named yet.

Microsoft also said that the first beta of the browser, intended for developers, will be available after today's keynote.

One of the new features, WebSlices, allow users to break a Web site into parts and only get updates from the part they want.

In IE 8 users can subscribe to parts of Web page," Hachamovitch said. He showed an example in IE 8 where users can use Web slices to subscribe to a single eBay auction.

Apple has its own Web-clipping subscription method that is part of Mac OS X.

Separately, Microsoft said it was making available a beta version of Silverlight 2, which will move the technology further beyond delivering video and into creating rich Internet applications.

Among the features of Silverlight 2 is what Microsoft calls adaptive streaming: the ability of the client PC to decide how large a streaming file it can handle at any given moment based on its CPU and network resources.

"If the network gets congested it can drop down to a lower bit rate," said Scott Guthrie a vice president in Microsoft's developer division.

With IE8, Hachamovitch discussed Microsoft's commitment to compatibility. He relayed a story of what his kids used to say whenever they had Internet problems.

"They'd ask 'Daddy, did you break the web?'" Hachamovitch said. "Most of the time I could honestly say 'No.'"

In a broader sense though, Hachamovitch said, that others might disagree that Microsoft, had in fact broken the Web. "Web developers might answer the question differently," he said.

Hachamovitch then went on to talk about Microsoft's commitment to interoperability and steps that it has taken. Microsoft announced earlier this week that IE 8 would use its most standards compliant mode by default. The company said it believed that move would assuage developer concerns as well as regulatory and competitive issues.

However, a top Opera executive told CNET News.com yesterday that Microsoft's move addresses only one of several concerns that the browser maker had raised with the European Commission.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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IE8
by rick47591 March 5, 2008 11:29 AM PST
Let's just hope that Microsoft does not do those horrible tabs again and the explorer has 2 important and still widely used features of IE6 which are the mail tab and also the picture toolbar. I'm still using ie6 since ie7 doesn't have available those 2 features previously found in ie6 and IE6 definitely does not crash as often as IE7. I also hated that tabbed browsing and rss-feeds.
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IE7 doesn't crash very often
by Leria March 6, 2008 1:40 PM PST
IE7 doesn't crash very often as far as I have experienced.

As for the tabbed browsing.... better get used to it. Every single web browser on the market has realized that tab browsing is something that users want and that makes browsing a lot easier.

As for RSS-feeds, they are quite useful if you are trying to keep up on the latest web news or a frequently updated website.
Can't wait to get my hands on it :)
by bGrader March 5, 2008 11:34 AM PST
I am downloading IE 8 right after I am done typing this comment.
I was waiting for it from last couple of months and finally it's here.
Will post my comments after I get my hands dirty.
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Me, too!
by morlamweb March 5, 2008 12:32 PM PST
Let the downloading begin!
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Firefox 3
by Someone-else March 5, 2008 11:41 AM PST
right now i'm on FF2 and i will upgrade to FF3

and i think lots of poeple will also do this as FF3 will come much sooner than IE8, btw, i liked that web-slice feature, but i don't think it'll do much more than tabs or even a sidebar(that can be put as and addon to FF)
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firefox
by rick47591 March 6, 2008 4:53 AM PST
firefox is a joke since it does not let the user save their favorite adult-oriented websites.
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My god, NOT another IE to test web apps against!
by shunchu March 5, 2008 12:08 PM PST
That's my initial thought when I heard about IE8. As a web developer, fixing problems that are IE specific has become a routine. I develop for non-IE browsers first since things just work as they should almost all the time. Then I have to troubleshoot for IE5.5, IE6 and finally IE7 using conditional comments (bless MS for still supporting that). Now with IE8 about to be thrown into the bag, unless it behaves like Firefox/Opera or even Safari like a good standards champ, it's just going to make web development even more miserable...

On a separate note, so after years of inactive development with IE6 after having slaughtered Netscape, Microsoft is suddenly active with browser development again? And of all things, it's fighting against an old foe with a twist! This makes it a good show to watch nonetheless. Firefox is hard to beat though, esp. with 3.0 on the verge of being released!!
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Bias anyone?
by BCF1968 March 6, 2008 7:14 AM PST
Ok you complain that you have to test for IE8 but you don't complain having to do the same for FireFox? You do realize within a year of FireFox 3 release they'll be releasing FireFox 4 and you'll have to test again, but that's ok right? If Microsoft waited another 4 or 5 years to release IE 8 you'd complain about that.
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See, competition is good.
by t8 March 5, 2008 12:53 PM PST
When IE had the market sown up, Microsoft did no development on the browser because they cared little about the Net. Their main focus was and always will be Windows.

Along comes Firefox and coincidently, Microsoft starts developing and innovating.

I guess the EU is right. Competition is good for the consumer. It's a no-brainer really.

And Microsoft is even embracing standards, well another reason why competition is good.
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See, idiots are good
by Jess McLean March 5, 2008 3:06 PM PST
They are needed to make the rest of the world feels smarter.
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Opera is singing off-key...
by AppleSuxLeo March 5, 2008 3:48 PM PST
And needs to get a life. Maybe they want us in the USA to pay their "Value Added Tax" as well.
The EU can kiss my Yankee A** !
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Re: Opera is singing off-key...
by qquidd March 6, 2008 8:15 AM PST
LOL. So true.
Opera got its a** whooped by both IE and FF. EU are such whiners.
CSS 2.1? Oh, wow...
by Penguinisto March 5, 2008 4:48 PM PST
...and CSS3 has been out for how long now? Umm, good job, I think... way to catch up there, n' stuff. Bleeding Edge, you are... (will be?)

[i]"One of the new features, WebSlices, allow users to break a Web site into parts and only get updates from the part they want."[/i]

Good job, Microsoft! Way to catch up to Safari there... well, eventually catch up to, anyway.

[i]"With IE8, Hachamovitch discussed Microsoft's commitment to compatibility."[/i]

I have an idea - next time, instead of launching a ton of hot air about it, how about showing it off? Allegedly IE8 is supposed to pass ACID2 (according to a grainy YouTube vid and rabid fanboys everywhere), so maybe they could show that off at the next demo?

...or would that be too much to ask of 'em?

(...of course, ACID3 just came out today, but one step at a time, one step at a time...)

/P
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CSS3... its not final sir.
by timber2005 March 5, 2008 6:53 PM PST
CSS3's status is "in development"

Wikipedia: "CSS level 3 is currently under development.[7] The W3C maintains a CSS3 progress report. As with the evolving XHTML specification, CSS3 is modularized and will consist of several separate Recommendations. An Introduction to CSS3 roadmap will be the starting point."

Progress Report> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#table
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here you go
by gp2792 March 6, 2008 6:28 AM PST
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/re
adiness/Install.htm

download it and test it for yourself. You can even video yourself for
another grainy youtube video if you want. Either way, do
something and quit whining. That way you won't be a raving anti-
microsoft-fanboy.
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Can you whine some more?
by BCF1968 March 6, 2008 7:11 AM PST
Man I hate these fanboys. First they complain MS never improves IE then when MS does in fact start to improve it they complain about that. Fact is these haters will NEVER be happy with ANY version of IE. You don't use IE never will, so **** already. Those of us that do appreciate the improvements. I don't like FF, I think it sucks, but at least I do download the newest version and try it out myself instead of making blind statements about it.
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its still a bit off when it comes to css
by vftw March 6, 2008 4:31 AM PST
IE8 fails on some shorthand css properties.

It also fails on hiding empty table cells using css, as well as word spacing (which is CSS1 btw)
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It's called BETA
by BCF1968 March 6, 2008 7:04 AM PST
And a beta 1 at that. Jeez what is up with people that expect beta not to be buggy?
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Backward compatibility.
by paulbee1958 March 6, 2008 5:09 AM PST
The main reason I use Firefox is that MS in their divine arrogance made sure that IE7 would not run on older operating systems. Now I am not about to buy a new computer or plunk down good money for an OS upgrade I really don't want or need, just for the sake of a browser.

Will IE8 reverse that trend and work on my Win 2K just as Firefox does?
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What do you say to...
by Roland Ansgar March 6, 2008 7:12 AM PST
a car manufacturer who's built cars have a history of failures and poor design, when it announces its latest model? You say, "Woopy do. Big deal. So what, who gives a rat's behind?"

The same question and answer paradigm applies to MS.
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by crusadex August 21, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
Yeah,they all release crap and call it candy.Some of them say it's better candy becuase only the elites use it.It is like mac saying 'I'm a mac" when it's really a PC running Linux.....bleh
IE8 will work fine,Firefox will remain hype like it's big brother Linux and all it's clones.
Jalopy 10.0
by Webconomist March 6, 2008 8:43 AM PST
Another IE browser for developers to struggle with. Another memory hogging fat app from Microsoft...and no doubt a gazillion patches right after it's launched with more security holes than a sieve...thanks but I'll stick to FireFox and Mac.
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It is a beta
by cgeorge52 March 6, 2008 2:50 PM PST
I was excited to download and install IE8 beta. Boy was I disappointed. Installed without a hitch. Loads fast, much faster than Firefox. After viewing a few pages it would hang when going back a page, and got slower each time. Was even slower reloading a page. Put the computer in sleep and went home. Came in this morning and computer was awake. Clicked the sleep button and the screen would go dark then within 15 seconds the computer was awake. Did this several times. Uninstalled IE8 and still had same sleep issue. Restored Vista back the 3/3/08 restore point and everything back to normal. I'll wait for the RTM version. By the way I'm using Vista Home Premium and have not install any of the service pack betas.
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Follow the leader
by The_Decider March 7, 2008 4:28 PM PST
Is it really that unreasonable to ask MS to at least try and catch up with the true web browser leaders?

IE8 will be competing with older versions of Opera, Firefox, and Safari. Not with the new version that will be out and fairly old when IE8 is released.
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Microsoft 8
by ChimiCelena March 8, 2008 8:33 AM PST
Why is microsoft supporting Ebay and nothing else? I will not use IE8 as I do not use Ebay. The owner of Ebay is a little too cocky and snotty and doesn't deserve business.
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by proart22 June 30, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
weeeeeeee another dead software from Microsoft we have firebox 3 , expect that with firebox 3.1 :P
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by SamsulArifin September 7, 2009 12:32 AM PDT
m m m m,i don't
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