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December 21, 2007 12:52 PM PST

Circuit City's holidays not so happy

by Ina Fried

Circuit City posted a steep quarterly loss on Friday and warned the operating losses will continue into the current quarter, which includes the bulk of the holiday shopping season, traditionally when retailers make most of their money.

"We are very dissatisfied with our third quarter results," Circuit City CEO Philip J. Schoonover said in a statement, adding that the company saw fewer sales of profitable items like accessories, services, and extended warranties.

"We believe that these issues are primarily self-induced and are within our control to improve," he said.

I can't say I was surprised given my Black Friday experience at Circuit City. My partner and I waited for hours in line, not because there were so many customers, but because its system for handling a crowd was so poor.

In addition to the $208 million loss from continuing operations that Circuit City posted for the quarter ending November 30, it said it will have a "modest" loss for the current quarter, which spans through February.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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Hardly surprising to me...
by markrob35 December 21, 2007 1:07 PM PST
Circuit City deserves precisely what they've gotten. After never a single positive shopping experience at Circuit City, two years ago during the Christmas shopping season having not only a salesperson engage me in an argument, but his manager as well, I'd had enough of Circuit City. I haven't stepped into the place a single time since, and won't. If they were the last electronics retailer on Earth, I'd go gadget-free, thank you very much. Hopefully they'll just follow CompUSA into the liquidation annals of history and be done with it. Good riddance.
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We need competition!
by tdiggs December 21, 2007 2:08 PM PST
I've had lots of problems with that store, including false advertisements, faulty merchandise, and clueless sales reps. Maybe this will be the kick in the pants that they need to get the ball rolling again. With CompUSA closing its doors, I really hope that Circuit City can stay in the game and give Best Buy the competition we so all need.
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Consider the alternative
by vhac December 21, 2007 2:49 PM PST
CC is running by a bunch of idiots. And they will go out of business if those people are still in charge. They hire young, unprofessional, careless kids with cheap pays. They didn't even train their employees adequately. However, consider BB as the alternative that doing things a little better. But if you are a smart shopper, BB will treat you like a devil.
agreed 100 percent
by buffer_overflow December 22, 2007 3:32 AM PST
I too will never set foot in a circus shifty. They need all new
ececutive team, fire them all and clean house. Then fire those
freaking trolls they call employees.

Oh nevermind, just have them to the way of CompUSA and
GoodGuys.
They deserve it
by AXG December 21, 2007 1:58 PM PST
Every time I shop at CircuitCity, I come out with a bad taste. They make me feel unwelcome. I have seen their store associates chatting in groups while I am looking for help with the products. At the customer service counter, the same thing. While customers are waiting in queue, there is only one associate helping them while all others are busy in some unknown activities moving from here to there without a purpose. Their extended warranties are way too expensive than the competition. On Sony Bravia KDL 52XBR4, CC offers 5 yr extended warranty for $800. From other retailers, the same is available for $500 or less. Even Sony is offering for less than $400. Why would I buy extended warranty from CC? Their prices are also expensive. They also tried to cheat me when I tried to get a GPS replaced under extended warranty. They would not show me all the available models.

I hope their CEO is reading this. I think it is time for CC to close operations.
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EXACTLY
by SeizeCTRL December 21, 2007 8:43 PM PST
I always see the employees hanging out talking to each other instead of helping customers. I can count on one hand the number of times a Circuit City employee has walked over to me and asked if I needed any help finding something or if I had any questions.

I did however have a manager offer me a job one day because I was on the phone with a friend explaining HDTV and he said that it's sad that a customer knows more about it than his guys that work over in TVs.

Every time I buy a DVD they try to get me to purchase a warranty on a DVD. ***?

I think it's their employees that give pretty much every one the same bad taste when they exit the store. Only reason I shop at Circuit City on a semi regular basis is because it's less than 5 minutes from my house... Best Buy is 30 minutes away and with the price of gas it's not really worth it to make an hour round trip for a DVD or a Wii game.
WRONG
by MrTroy03 December 23, 2007 8:46 PM PST
I have to negate this

"While customers are waiting in queue, there is only one associate helping them while all others are busy in some unknown activities moving from here to there without a purpose"

That is incorrect... I used to work at a circuit city, I worked in PC sales then as a firedog tech, and there all kinds of items and tasks that need to be completed behind the customer service desk.

There will only be ONE customer service person working, taking care of the line, and I will have to walk back there to get a key, or to get some paperwork forms, customers think I am ignoring them, but I have my own work and customers to take care of, and I am not trained on how to do any customer service tasks (returns or whatnot), and two, my employee code, and anyone else's who IS NOT A CUSTOMER SERVICE associate, physically will not let them complete the task, period.
A stunning indictment ... they're clearly and truly doomed.
by menotbug December 23, 2007 11:12 PM PST
" ... Their extended warranties are way too expensive than the
competition. ..."

There's really no point in going any further. I don't even have a
Circuit City in my town, and I've only shopped there while on
vacation. But, when the guy who actually buys extended
warranties has had enough; even I know that you are clearly and
completely doomed.

Ordinary citizens should be wary when shopping in the vicinity
of any CC location; there's no telling what kind of mayhem can
happen once employees clue in, the inevitable panic ensues and
they begin a stampede for the exits.

Hope your airbags are in working order; as a precaution keep
the women and children indoors until this blows over and the
liquidators move in.
Who buys those high profit stuff anymore?
by gerrrg December 21, 2007 2:00 PM PST
If that thing doesn't break within the manufacturer's warranty period, it's not likely to break before you'll want a brand new one, anyway.

I've still got my 1991 RCA 25" TV working very well, and it only needs to go one more year before I really need to get a 47" LCD. :D

The obvious question: Why does Best Buy do so well while CC fails? Is it because CC gave up on most large appliances?
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Their system
by phillynets December 21, 2007 2:01 PM PST
Circuit city's customer experience, management organization, and archaic POS system is legendary. They've known about it for years and have failed to see any reason to change.

They stink at selling accessories.
Service Plans are a rip-off (theirs no more or less than anyone else's)
They are the K-Mart of big box electronics
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About that archiac POS system...
by ZTBELL21 December 21, 2007 2:58 PM PST
I know for a fact that their POS system, crowd control technique and even their employees have been somewhat off in the past year.

First, the POS system at Circuit City is so old that all three major truck rental firms (B*****, P***** and U-**** along with electronics giant BEST BUY) look more attractive to customers buying anything. As for their customer experience, I find myself knowing more about the product than ANY of their store employees, and have had others ASK ME to go with them and help them buy their electronics items. Also, BB and Radio Shack are much better at selling accessories with their products.

As for extended warranties and service plans, I personally don't like them as my Visa card extends my warranty up to 1 year for FREE, so I don't need any extended service plan.

Finally, CC should never be equated with K-Mart, as K-mart is just horrible, yet still exists where I live (for that matter, next door to CC).
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We need competition for Best Buy
by texadelphia December 21, 2007 2:02 PM PST
I was in CC the other day and I agree they are not set up for high traffic. They have very young, untrained employees who really don't care and it is kind of a somber atmosphere there. They had 1 register open with a line of about 10 people and the same thing with the customer service line. They had signs all over the store correcting many advertising mistakes in their sunday ad. CC and Radio Shack are done and that leaves only Frys to compete with BB. Frys should open up more stores or buy out CC.
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definitely
by jm808 December 21, 2007 3:37 PM PST
You're right about needing to have a competitor to Best Buy. It's a shame that the circuit city folks can't get their act together. They need to hire professional people. Good service goes a long way, but I guess the execs don't care as long as they can pocket their bonuses. I'm fortunate to have a Fry's about 20 minutes away from my house and a still open CompUSA a couple of blocks away from my office.
Life would be better
by The_Decider December 21, 2007 3:48 PM PST
Without all these national chains destroying local economies and uniqueness.

It doesn't matter where you go in the US. It is all the same thing again and again.

This goes for BB, CC, Wal-Mart, and down to all these fake stores in malls and especially the crappy national restaurants.
Rebate
by Vonmaxx December 21, 2007 2:04 PM PST
I bought my wife a quad core HP computer in August at Circuit
City, they told me a 150.00 rebate. After 8 weeks I got a letter
saying no rebate. I called to see what happened. Sorry the store
made a mistake, I bought her computer 3 days to early, even
though the local store was out of the quad core and she got it after
the rebate kicked in.
Too bad Circuit City fired their best workers this past summer.
See ya we are getting a new Best Buy next to CC store.
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Misplaced priorities
by Brushbeater December 23, 2007 2:51 PM PST
Vonmaxx correctly noted that CC fired their best employees
earlier this year. That was a mistake, made more egregious by a
recent news story about CC offering huge cash incentives to
retain top executives. So the cash is taken from the experienced
former employees and given to the guys that fired them.
Another way to look at the issue is to say the CC has taken
service from the customer to generate the cash for the
executives. What a cocked up business model. Too bad that CC
hardly has the monopoly on that type of misguided management
philosophy.
CC doesn't do sales...that's their problem
by BigGuns149 December 25, 2007 4:45 PM PST
I worked at Fry's for over a year and frequently would note that we would price match our local competitors(CC, BB, CompUSA, etc). In all the time I worked their I never had a customer who said CC had such and such for a lower price and found that CC really carried that item for a lower price. Every time anyone ever said CC ever had a lower price it was ALWAYS after a CC MIR. If you look at CC's weekly ad you will find that 2/3 to 3/4s of the products have no instant savings at all. In some cases the item advertised is MSRP without even a rebate.

MIRs have several problems. One they are time consuming to send out properly. Another issue, is that they always limit quantities. There are some customers like business customers who want to buy multiple computers where they can't easily get more than one rebate without making every purchase on a different receipt and than sending multiple rebates out from multiple addresses and than have to track multiple rebates. Business customers for this reason rarely go to retail stores unless they needed the item yesterday or they need just one item and the offer is very good.

CompUSA largely did the same thing. They rarely actually discounted stuff except for big sales like Black Friday and the day after Christmas. Look where they are now: looking towards liquidation after the private equity firm that owned decided that it was easier to pillage the company than to turn it around. If CC doesn't discover that need to be price competitive they aren't going to last. Several investment firms have already advised their investors that CC might be bought out soon so CC may meet CompUSA fate fairly soon.

Sales people who are nice, knowledgeable, etc. is important, but that will only get you so far in electronics retail. I remember when I worked for Fry's that the store manager admitted so far that no one really needs any of this stuff, we just need to convince the customers that they want/need it. It isn't too hard to convince a customer that they need/want something, most of us could tout the advantages of upgrading their old computer to a newer computer, but if the customer doesn't feel that the price is competitive and that they can afford it they won't buy it even they feel a strong desire for it. You don't always need the best prices, but if they can buy the exact same product 2-3 miles away you are going to have a tough sell.

The sooner CC learns this the sooner they can turn around their company.
worst customer service anywhere
by iautom8u December 21, 2007 2:43 PM PST
The San Mateo, CA store has the most useless "kids" in the world working there. The stand around and talk to eachother and pay no attention to the customers at all.
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Au Contrary
by Rodmod December 22, 2007 7:15 AM PST
The WORST Circuit City store is the one in Emeryville. On many occasions (until I discovered a Best Buy less than two miles away) I have gone into CC and waited, and loitered, and sought help while the employees chatted, and when I had the nerve to ask a question I was treated as an intruder. At BB, by the way, I am always assisted. That's my place from now on.
Rod
Serves them right.........
by gunntherd December 21, 2007 3:10 PM PST
After also having real bad experiences at both BB and CC, I haven't step foot in either one in over 5 years and will never again spend any amount of my time or my money in either store.
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And look how much the executives are making!
by mjconver December 21, 2007 3:18 PM PST
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news/business.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2007-12-20-0174.html
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LOL 2011
by david__B December 23, 2007 6:16 AM PST
That's a hoot! CC won't even exist by 2011! Personally, I see them out of buisness by the end of 2009. Why the BOD would pay EXTRA to keep such TERRIBLE people that have no clue how to run a successfull company is beyond me. Only in America do poor performing executives get paid MORE to stay. What a retarded BOD.

There will be NO "sears buys Kmart" like white knight for CC. Have fun keeping CompUSA company in the closed chain cemetary CC!
Poor Service and High Prices
by johnhaggard December 21, 2007 4:02 PM PST
I stopped shopping at Circuit City last November beacuse of poor customer service and high prices. I bought a 23" lcd, and when the price dropped $5o in less than a week, I went for a price adjustment that they guarantee- I had to wait over 30 minutes, and then I had to ask two managers to stand by the policy, it was not worth it, so I shop elsewhere.
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...
by sevenalive December 21, 2007 5:01 PM PST
Radioshack and Bestbuy are you serious? Radioshack is a joke, i don't know how they are still in business. Both stores mark up items $20 bucks+ on most items anyway. All electronic stores do. Thats why i shop at tigerdirect.com and amazon, unbeatable prices, and best selection.
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factory seconds?
by skootertramp December 21, 2007 5:21 PM PST
The first "items" I bought from circuit city was a complete new sounsystem, including speakers for my van, installed by circuit city. The reciever went on the "blitz after only one month. I went back to circuit city for a replacement. Because I did not by the "extended warranty" when purchased it, Circuit city would not replace it, they offered to install the new unit I would have to buy, for free. I bought a differant name brand then the old. I was not happy! A few months later I bought a new name brand clothes dryer(gas). Two months later the gas control of the dryer failed. Circuit city told me the same thing, I hadn't bought the extended warranty, I was out of luck. It cost me $175.00 to fix it. Two weeks afterward the second sterio in my van failed. By this point I was (to put it politely) Pissed! I went to the circuit city where I had purchased these items and spoke to the manager and accused them of selling "factory seconds" that they purchased in order to sell at the lower prices than any body else. He said circuit city "did not do that". I pulled out my circuit city credit card which I still 0wed mostly for the dryer. I cut it up in front of the manager and dropped the pieces on the counter and said "just try and collect the balance". I never shopped at circuit city again. The interesting part was they did not even try to collect the $300, plus I owed.
skootertramp
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No manufacturers warranty?
by Mergatroid Mania December 22, 2007 2:21 PM PST
Why would you buy anything with no manufacturers warranty?

Most products come with a 1 year warranty. For example, if you buy a GE dryer, it will have a 1 year warranty. If it fails within that 1 year, you don't call the store you bought it from, you'd call a GE repair shop and they would fix it under the manufacturers warranty. No extended warranty required at all.

1, Anyone who buys an item without a manufacturers warranty is an idiot.
2. Anyone who buys an item and doesn't bother to ask how long the manufacturers warranty is is also an idiot.
3. Anyone who pays $175 to repair something that should be under warranty is a fool.

As the saying goes, a fool and his money are soon parted. If there is any blame at all to CC in this example, it's that they did not inform you that your products should be under the 1 year manufacturers warranty.

However, fools and idiots simply shouldn't be allowed to buy ANYTHING.
Factory 3rds
by gunntherd December 26, 2007 11:20 AM PST
Same thing happened to me with a car stereo, it quit working not even 4 months after buying it and of course "because I didn't buy the extended warranty" they would do nothing for me, I even told them to just take this broken one back and I will buy an even more expensive one, even complaining to the so called store manager did me no good. I asked him to look at my face real well because it will be the last time you'll see it in this store!! Haven't been back since and never will!!
Confusing checkouts
by soggy0 December 21, 2007 6:30 PM PST
It's confusing where to check out and they usually only have 1 line
open. Stopped going here ages ago.
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No duh
by ewelch December 21, 2007 7:02 PM PST
Remember how Circuit City used to sell Macs? Only they left
them in broken states in their stores, and their sales people did
everything they could to steer people away from Macs because
they got bigger spiffs from some PC maker's machines?

But it wasn't as bad for Apple as it was for everyone else.
Because Apple had nothing to lose from leaving. But other PC
manufacturers with razor-thin margins can't conduct business
any way they please. They have to kiss up to retailers. That leads
to arrogance and a lack of appreciation for what it means to be
in sales.

I'll give Circuit City a clue in how they can turn around their
business. Visit an Apple Store. The most profitable retailer in
history (and the fastest growing in history) shows that even for
all their faults, the mostly get it right.

No, not that they sell Macs. That has nothing to do with it. It's
HOW they sell Macs! If Circuit City wants to get a clue, they
would pay close attention to what makes Apple's stores
different.

But of course they won't. The Canon of Business religion would
never allow them to accept that Apple might be right, because
Apple doesn't think exactly like everyone else, or how Wall Street
wants them to think. Costco doesn't either, and Wall Street
doesn't like them either.
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best buy also has bad service
by cnetrl December 21, 2007 7:35 PM PST
I went over to best buy to look at notebooks and none of them had price tags. I asked the department manager for help and he was rude.
worst of all he did not even know what was on sale. I could tell that all he wanted was for me to go away so he could keep talking to his co worker. Fry's is even worst with most people walking around telling you their favorite line "Thats not my deparment". At the end is does not matter because is really the company's fault for cutting cost by hiring the cheapest work force as possible. You get what you pay for.
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They all have bad service
by mattumanu December 22, 2007 1:18 PM PST
Best Buy, Circuit City... Lots of gear, no knowledge about any of it, that's IF someone is willing to talk to you.
Your wrong
by MrTroy03 December 23, 2007 8:42 PM PST
In all fairness, SALES CHANGE EVERY SUNDAY, every item, sure, the occasional item or two will be one sale two weeks in a row, but customers expect to much for us to memorize every price if every product every week, there are over 2000 items in the computer department alone
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Not Surprising
by kdrobb2k December 21, 2007 11:23 PM PST
I had a very bad experience trying to purchase a digital camera at CC on Black Friday. They would not sell me the product at the circular advertised and web price. Ended up buying at BBY for $50 less. Guess where my future purchases have been lately?
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Twins in infamy
by nicmart December 21, 2007 11:36 PM PST
First CompUSA and now Circuit City. All you have to have done
is to walk in the door to see how ineptly these businesses have
been run. It's a shame that the media don't call up members of
the boards of such companies to ask what role they played in
bringing down the ship. Directors shouldn't be able to hide in
virtual anonymity. (I think CompUSA is privately held.)

Here are Circuit City's directors and senior managers:
http://investor.circuitcity.com/directors.cfm
http://investor.circuitcity.com/management.cfm

If Circuit City's stock sinks any lower Vonage may buy the
company.
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"Offending messages"? How about offending writers will be removed?
by Solon December 22, 2007 5:11 AM PST
I think it is offensive that someone is allowed to promote their stinking sex life during a review.
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Ignorance is Not Bliss
by Belinus December 22, 2007 8:45 AM PST
Where was their sex life promoted? Get over yourself. Please.
get over yourself...
by terminalblue December 22, 2007 8:46 AM PST
its a journalism/personal weblog...
if you don't like it there are other little holes you can crawl into.
what?
by The_Decider December 22, 2007 10:09 AM PST
Was it this that got your panties in a wad?

"My partner and I waited for hours in line"

How is that offensive or even close to "promoting their stinking sex life"?

Please get a life!
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Sorry, but I totally agree...
by MyRightEye December 25, 2007 11:05 PM PST
It's bad enough that we have to see that photo ^ only to then be
reminded of her, his, whatever's, significant other. Near made me
hurl. It was an absolutely unnecessary addition and one has to
question the motivation behind including it considering it bore
zero relevance to the story.

If you want to be an it, fine, do it in your own house during your
own time, but keep it the hell out of society.

And all you liberal politically correct hillary supporters who will no
doubt flame me for this comment can just go take a long walk of a
short pier. I won't be returning to read them.

As for CNet, I don't care how much you support her, his,
something inbetween's decision to emasculate herself, I will never
read another article from this person ever again. They're not even a
credible writer. And if they can't keep their personal lives out of
their stories, then you need to replace them with someone more competent and not so confused.
Glad to see it
by DatabaseDoctor December 22, 2007 9:31 AM PST
A recent online purchase with in-store pickup showed me how bad CircuitCity is at doing business. Good at commercials, bad at business. Seems they only had one monitor in stock of what I bought online. They make you pay, then bring it out. Has a huge hole in the box so I ask them to open the box before I sign for receipt. Was told by the child behind the counter that I have to sign for receipt before you can open it. "So I have to accept possibly damaged goods before I can see whether you just sold me garbage or not?" That was not only this young girl's answer but her manager (can you imagine even younger!). Only by stating that I was not signing or leaving until they saw reason and stopped hiding behind rules and started to call the police did they simply open the box to show it was not damaged. Customer service by children who can't imagine what good customer service is shows why CCity is doomed to failure.
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good comments !
by DatabaseDoctor December 22, 2007 9:33 AM PST
Exactly what I see too. Its not isolated to a few, but to everyone who steps foot in CCity. If the CEO does read these, either close up or fire all the children and hire adults who care.
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