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December 18, 2007 1:49 PM PST

Beta of XP update made public

by Ina Fried

Microsoft on Tuesday said it will make publicly available a beta version of Windows XP Service Pack 3. But, like a car salesman pitching the new Corvette over the old jalopy, Microsoft argued that a switch to Vista is the better move.

"While Windows Vista provides the most advanced security and management capabilities of any Windows operating system, Windows XP SP3 will ensure PCs running Windows XP will have the latest updates, as well as compatibility with the Network Access Protection functionality of Windows Server 2008," Microsoft said in a statement.

Lest anyone misread that as an endorsement, Microsoft goes on to say that "Windows XP SP3 does not bring significant portions of Windows Vista functionality to Windows XP."

The service pack has already been delayed several times as Microsoft has put its focus on getting Vista out the door and then updating that release.

Microsoft issued a release candidate version of XP SP3 in November and expanded its testing earlier this month, promising the public test version would come at some later date.

For anyone who still wants to try the darn thing, Microsoft says, the beta should be up on Microsoft's Web site later Tuesday and ready in final form in the first half of next year.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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Promises...
by sheldonkotyk December 18, 2007 2:12 PM PST
"Windows XP SP3 does not bring significant portions of Windows Vista functionality to Windows XP."

I sure hope this is true. I don't want Vista functionality. I only have a gig of ram on my laptop.
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Talk about microsoft serving up
by The_happy_switcher December 18, 2007 10:21 PM PST
a softball with that comment, lol. Congrats on beating everyone to the punch.
"Microsoft on Wednesday"
by mjm01010101 December 18, 2007 2:14 PM PST
Which Wednesday. A week ago? Why is it being reported 6 days later?
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Yes, and no
by msanto December 18, 2007 5:02 PM PST
Yep, it was live last week, but then pulled off of Microsoft's servers. I saw it, but now only sites like FileForum have it ... and that might not be what Microsoft is giving us today.
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"Windows XP SP3 does not bring significant portions of Windows Vista functi
by Phred15 December 18, 2007 2:36 PM PST
Thank God they are not screwing up Windows XP by making it anything at all like Vista. Windows Vista is a total piece of junk. I don't even think it is fixable.
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You beat me to it...
by gsmiller88 December 18, 2007 4:22 PM PST
People who are using XP DON'T WANT Vista, so I say that's a plus.
Haven't actually used Vista, have you?
by catch23 December 18, 2007 5:36 PM PST
Thought not. Most of the people bashing Vista are like you, never actually taking the time to use it.

Vista is fine. Been using it on a day to day basis for 9 months or more. It works, and since the compatibility updates a few months back, as good as XP. Now with SP1(beta), fools like you need to go away.

Is the 'WOW' there? Not really. But a decent update it is.
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This is good....
by chash360 December 19, 2007 12:20 PM PST
If I want an operating system that takes control over everything, not letting me decide how it works, I'll buy a MAC (understand this is not a jab at MAC, I like the stable, solid, predictable performance and configuration of a MAC) but they took a lot of control away from us with XP, and VISTA is even worse. For those of us who know how computers actually work, and have to do innovative, experimental, and engineering work with computers, M$ is undermining the only thing that keeps the PC platform going. The ability to control the system at the lowest of levels, to try new architectures, work with external hardware without having to certify it through M$, etc. Not everyone who drives a car is expected to be a mechanic, thats what MACs are for, so you don't have to be an expert techno geek. But if you abandon the things the engineers and techno geeks require then you begin to inhibit further developement. There is no new required functionality in VISTA, the big corperations are not upgrading to it, partly because of this (and partly because of no volume licenses). There is nothing in my job, that requires VISTA, now nor foreseen in the future, and I do just about everything that can be done with a computer, and invented some new things too.
And You Base This On What?
by cross platform December 19, 2007 6:30 PM PST
Your expert opinion no doubt.
"Windows XP SP3 does not bring significant portions of Windows Vista funct"
by Save_Me_from_my_Govt December 20, 2007 10:04 AM PST
And the downside of that would be.....?
retire xp
by alice_b0wie January 1, 2008 12:35 PM PST
actually it's not that vista is junk, it's the people who can't figure out how to use it properly with all their junk programs. xp is an outdated os going on it's 3rd service pack. it had 77 vulnerabilities last year compared to vista's 15. i have vista on one computer, it has a reboot time of 33 seconds, my xp system with the exact same setup takes over a minute and a half. vista has graphics, xp looks like a cheap paint job. i would comment about my mac, but as usual it's broken down. my point is, vista isn't for uneducated poor people.
Translation
by The_happy_switcher December 18, 2007 2:49 PM PST
Please buy our new ******* products and don't wait for improvements to the old ones that work better.
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Translation
by close5828 December 18, 2007 4:19 PM PST
You have nothing better to do w/ your time except troll the News.com site.
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Another false alarm?
by msanto December 18, 2007 7:28 PM PST
Where is it? It's still not there.
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Bill & Redmond People: Read This!!
by mycroft69 December 19, 2007 5:22 AM PST
If you want people to buy Vista, you're at least going to have to provide positive incentives, like special discounts for people who actually bought and own copies of XP.
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They already offer incentives
by Leria December 19, 2007 6:05 AM PST
They already offer incentives for people to upgrade from XP to Vista...... 100 dollars off the 300 dollar price of Vista retail through the upgrade version.

Personally, I just installed the 30-day trial version of Vista on my parent's computer, and I am liking it thus far...... it boots even faster than XP (yeah, I said it, because I TIMED it before I installed Vista over XP Media Center Edition and it does boot up faster), hasn't crashed once after I deleted some folders in Users\"User"\Appdata that were locked for some reason and messed up some other program (Microsoft, if you read this, FIX THIS PROBLEM!!), and my games play FASTER on Vista for some reason (they are all older games, so maybe Vista has some optimizations built-in for them).
Alky now has DX10 for XP
by tarrantm December 19, 2007 6:15 AM PST
So there is zero reason for me to upgrade to Vista. I was considering a dual boot setup for playing DX10 games, but now there's no point. Vista has nothing good that XP doesn't already have.

Hey Microsoft, you'd have to pay me 3k or more for me to actually use Vista - that's the cost of a halfway decent gaming rig running Vista that'll match the performance of my current XP rig.
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I'll upgrade...at gun point!
by chash360 December 19, 2007 12:38 PM PST
When M$ pulls out the big guns and tries to force the change to Vista, we will see what happens, I seriously doubt that XP will be abandoned anytime in the near future, no corperation is going to go through the expense and hassle of the new VISTA licensing model. They will have to make a much stronger arguement, what can I do with VISTA that I can not do with XP? And if something can be done with VISTA that can not be done with XP, how is M$ going to keep that functionality from being added to XP, by third party. Lots of people keep cars long after the warrantee goes out, some long after the company dissappears altogether.
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People said the same about XP....
by BigGuns149 December 20, 2007 1:26 PM PST
About six years ago a lot of people would have said the same thing about Windows XP and now people conveniently forget that XP wasn't really very good until at least SP1 if not SP2. I remember software that was barely a year old that XP couldn't run. I can still get applications that are over a decade old to run on Vista. With a few exceptions(ex. Quickbooks) the applications that Vista can't run don't surprise me. Unless this is your first experience with a new version of Windows why are you so surprised?

I remember a week after XP came out I was playing with XP at a retail store on a celeron laptop with integrated graphics and it took THREE seconds to open a contextual menu of the desktop. While Vista doesn't run well on low end hardware, I have never seen any machine that met the sys requirements that ran that bad. While there is some hardware that doesn't work the percentage is far lower than M$'s critics claim. I have gotten complete functionality of HP Laserjet 5's to work with Vista! There are even unofficial 3dfx drivers for Vista nevermind I doubt anyone with 7 year old hardware would run Vista.

I expect after SP1 that Vista adoption will grow exponentially amongst those that aren't running [fill in the blank $500+ software package that isn't supported under Vista]. SP1 significantly improves many, but not all of the IO issues. Furthermore, RAM is cheap. You are starting to see 4GB for less than $100! The hardware to make Vista purr for basic use is rapidly falling below $500 and the hardware to satisfy all except the most demanding high end user is now below $1000.

Business users don't immediately adopt new software until they feel compelled to upgrade or there are features that would increase productivity in the new version. Third party software will only go so far into extending XPs viability. There are some third party drivers for the Geforce 8400/8600 for laptops, but I would be surprised if you can find drivers for new laptop hardware that will come out next year. At some point installing XP and being able to use all of the hardware may be next to impossible. Nobody will put a gun to your head, but you will definitely want to run Vista on any new laptop come a year from now unless it is a Mac or you are going to be running Linux on the laptop.

Will there be people who will cling onto their old computer for ten years until the thing doesn't boot anymore? Sure, there are sadistic people that are clinging onto their Windows ME machines too. At some point they become such an unimportant demographic that nobody will support the OS anymore. XP will enjoy fairly robust industry support for at least another 2-3 years. Beyond that all bets are off.
Windows XP (SP3)
by cakuhn December 20, 2007 9:13 AM PST
Some of you may not feel SP3 is worth the effort. I do and have been using it with NO problems at all. aIn addition, since my XP was purchased on 12/23/01 (6 years ago) it is almost impossible to rebuild SP fr this CD. However by "slipstream"ing this CD with SP3, it is possible to create a new Windows XP CD with all the currect patch's and security fix's installed. This is well worth the effort and hats off to Microsoft.
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Windows XP SP3
by ceilo007 December 20, 2007 9:58 AM PST
my current computer is running an OEM version of Windows xp pro that had SP2 slipstream. for some odd reason this version doesn't run as smooth as installing XP and then upgrading to SP2. after SP3 launches i'll will upgrade to it and try it out and if there is noticable improvement, i'll probably do a clean install of XP and then update to SP3. what do you guys think is better? updating from SP2 to SP3, doing a clean install of windows with an XP cd that has SP3 slipstream'ed or clean install of XP and then updating to SP3?
Vista Only Software
by sanjayb December 20, 2007 10:33 AM PST
I guess the real test will come when companies release software that only work in Vista.
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used vista more than a year (from beta version).
by hewal December 24, 2007 3:16 PM PST
I would like to tell everyone this: STICK WITH WHATEVER YOU HAVEEEEE
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they should...
by nickypickysticky8 December 24, 2007 8:16 PM PST
i think that microsoft should just start over with vista. its a piece of crap and they know it.
why would they make it so hard for consumers to upgrade (oops sorry, DOWNGRADE)to vista! most pc's or laptops made before 2005 arent able to use it!
besides, it sucks anyways...
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If you have XP stick with it for now
by stockyjoe January 2, 2008 3:59 AM PST
There really is no compelling reason to upgrade from XP to Vista. On top of that, there are soem serious issues with Vista that need to be fixed in a next service pack or two.

Eventually applications will come out that will be optimized for Vista and 64bit computing, but thats probably a year or two off ane even then you may not find a compelling reason to upgrade.

Currently Windows XP Pro is the best windows available.
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XP is still better
by stockyjoe January 2, 2008 4:04 AM PST
And I have Vista at work, in a network environement. I can tell you from experience that Vista offers no compelling reason to upgrade from XP Pro and secondly, Vista has some serious flaws and compatability issues. The copy/move files ability in Vista is broke. Its extremely slow especially when transferrring a lot of files across network drives. MDC tools to manage users in an active directory network is broken and so much more. Shall I go on...

Maybe you are the Hillbilly.
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