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February 2, 2010 8:38 AM PST

Microsoft investigating Windows 7 battery issue

by Ina Fried

Microsoft says it is looking into a problem that is causing some Windows 7 users to get a warning that there is a problem with their battery when, in fact, there is not.

"We are investigating this issue in conjunction with our hardware partners, which appears to be related to system firmware," a Microsoft representative said in a statement on Tuesday.

The warning in question uses the computer's basic input output system (BIOS) to try to determine whether a battery needs replacement. For some reason, the signals are getting crossed and some users are getting the message even when they should not.

However, because this warning is new to Windows 7, users moving from Vista should not necessarily ignore the message if they see it. Instead, Microsoft suggests users contact their computer maker to see whether the warning is warranted or not.

Meanwhile, Microsoft says it and the PC makers are trying to figure out what is behind the glitch. "We are working with our partners to determine the root cause and will update the forum with information and guidance as it becomes available."

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by nasserd February 2, 2010 9:01 AM PST
So maybe, just maybe I am NOT crazy!

I installed Win7 last week on an old IBM X-series tablet device. Although the device was old, I received the warning message that the extra-celled battery needed replacement. I did nothing... and got over 4hrs of life before I had to recharge again. (The expected usage rate when I had Vista installed.)

MSFT: if you need a guinea pig, then just lemme know how I can help.
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by Save_Me_from_my_Govt February 2, 2010 9:08 AM PST
I got a brand-new HP notebook just 6-7 months ago. The first thing I did was wipe Vista off of it and install the RC, (then the Consumer/shelf release) of Windows-7/Professional-64bit. The second thing I did was purchase a second battery to carry with it. Within a month or so, I was getting messages that the factory-supplied battery was consistently running out of juice and wouldn't hold a charge. The second battery that I bought from an after-market company works fine, and the only time I put the factory battery in it is to "charge it up" anyway, even though it doesn't seem to work for more than 20 minutes.

If this is a glitch in the Win7 OS, I'd sure like to know about it, because at $60-100 for a replacement for the battery that came with the machine that's a pretty expensive hit.
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by solitare_pax February 2, 2010 11:37 AM PST
Nope - from my experience, that's normal with most PC laptops. Did you see if your battery was covered by the HP warranty so you could get a partial refund?
by SamGreco February 2, 2010 9:10 AM PST
It's about time. Truly an annoying problem With Vista, my 1 year old laptop was getting around 2 hours of life. Not great but livable. After installing W7, my laptop would shut down after 15 minutes.
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by Ebraheem February 2, 2010 10:04 AM PST
You didn't read the article, did you? It has nothing to do with battery life ? It's about a "battery needs replacing" error message that shouldn't appear.
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by gavino96 February 2, 2010 9:18 AM PST
I don't think it's limited to just Windows 7. I have a laptop with Vista and just recently started getting a warning stating the life of the battery is up and a replacement is needed. Anyone else getting this problem with Vista?
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by wccomp February 3, 2010 9:53 AM PST
My HP media laptop from Costco came with Vista on it and my battery died soon after. I have had the laptop since 2006 and have been using it without a battery ever since it was almost new. I thought it had something to do with the laptop, and it never even occurred to me it could have been the operating system.

I also had a Vista problem that it would not boot to Windows, instead to somewhere before and I had to press F1 to get it to continue and sometimes I had to restart it more than one time and then it would finally get to Windows after telling me that it was not recoverable. I have also had the boot problem for years and just recently it stopped so some Windows Update must have fixed it.
by ducttape36 February 2, 2010 9:24 AM PST
wow, i actually thought my battery was dying. i havent bothered to replace it yet cause i use my laptop plugged in most of the time anyways, but good to know that this will be resolved without me having to buy a new battery!
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by Nataku4ca February 2, 2010 11:49 AM PST
just fyi,

if your battery is fully charged, pull it out of the computer if you are going to use it while plugged in...
The battery will last longer that way
by deckerjc February 2, 2010 9:30 AM PST
I installed Win7 on a laptop with a brand new battery. If I run it without the power cord attached, I get a message telling me that I only have 98% of the battery left (2hrs runtime), and I better plug it in!
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by nasserd February 2, 2010 11:24 AM PST
... except Windows doesn't state that you better plug it in unless the power thresholds were manually overridden.
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by Raabscuttle February 2, 2010 9:36 AM PST
I have a HP HDX18 and have been getting these messages about my Battery off and on. The only "weird" thing I noticed is that the computer would "just shut down" when thebattery drained instead of going into hibernate. upping the threshhold where it goes into hibernate fixed this issue. My guess is that one of my cells is going bad - otherwise I get pretty much the expected power out of it.
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by Otto Holland February 2, 2010 9:57 AM PST
As the article states, a glitch with the input/output signal. I'll bet a flash BIOS will solve the problem. I did an clean install on my daughters HP Pavillion Laptop that came with Vista 32 bit but wanted WIN7 64. After installation I got the same message. I went to the HP site, download and install the most current BIOS and a few other drivers; since then, no more issues. WIN 7 64 BIT is sweet and she loves it; while the laptop runs cooler and less fan activitiy.
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by pnordlander February 2, 2010 9:58 AM PST
man! here i thought i was the only one! ive had a laptop i've had running windows 7 since June and just recently i started getting a battery error. I bet it has to do with an update windows pushed within the last couple of months.
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by spaddock247 February 2, 2010 10:24 AM PST
this just started happening on my XP machine too and the battery is pretty new.
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by jake3373 February 2, 2010 1:09 PM PST
Wow, I get this message all the time. Except, for me, I think it is legit because the battery can only go for about 30 minutes with the screen dimmed about half way (even on Ubuntu Linux).
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by GEO2003 February 2, 2010 6:16 PM PST
I started getting the message with Vista but then again my laptop is 4 years old.

SIMPLE WAY TO CHECK, -- CHARGE YOUR BATTERY - CLOSE THE LID - LOOK AT THE BATTERY LEDS'S AND PRESS AND HOLD THE TEST BUTTON ( This button is flush against the battery but it is a battery icon inside a cirlcle it may be different depending on the models ) - IF ALL THE LED'S LIGHT UP - ALL YOUR CELLS ARE WORKING - IF YOU WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK - TAKE THE WHOLE BATTERY OUT AND REPEAT THE TEST.

Then the problem lies between the Bios and the OS.

In my case out of 5 Led's only 3 light up - so i defenetely need a new battery.
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by GEO2003 February 2, 2010 6:16 PM PST
I started getting the message with Vista but then again my laptop is 4 years old.

SIMPLE WAY TO CHECK, -- CHARGE YOUR BATTERY - CLOSE THE LID - LOOK AT THE BATTERY LEDS'S AND PRESS AND HOLD THE TEST BUTTON ( This button is flush against the battery but it is a battery icon inside a cirlcle it may be different depending on the models ) - IF ALL THE LED'S LIGHT UP - ALL YOUR CELLS ARE WORKING - IF YOU WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK - TAKE THE WHOLE BATTERY OUT AND REPEAT THE TEST.

Then the problem lies between the Bios and the OS.

In my case out of 5 Led's only 3 light up - so i defenetely need a new battery.
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by Indian_art February 3, 2010 9:59 AM PST
Because I use Ubuntu my battery is not fried.
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by snlu178 February 7, 2010 8:13 PM PST
How I fixed my "consider replacing your battery".

1) Adjust all setting in your power scheme to minimize actions when the battery is low. (turn off all sleep or hibernate commands and reduce all warnings to 0 or 1 minute).
2) Run the following command:
To change the 'Battery->Critical battery action->'On battery' setting to "Do nothing" using powercfg.exe

1. activate the power scheme you want to modify.
2. open an elevated command console (windows key, type 'cmd' in start menu, press "ctrl+shift+enter", click 'continue')
3. execute "powercfg -setdcvalueindex SCHEME_CURRENT SUB_BATTERY BATACTIONCRIT 0"
4. your current power scheme will show "Battery->Critical battery action->On battery: Do nothing" despite the option being unavailable in the drop box.

3) Run your laptop until it dies...your pc will fully crash. Then fully recharge and run until it dies again.

This will recalibrate your battery. Because Windows 7 automatically shuts down your PC when it thinks the battery is low, it never recalibrates. You have to stop if from sleeping or hibernating all together to get the battery to recalibrate. I went from 66% battery wear to 0.0% overnight.
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by daniel hobbs February 17, 2010 10:50 AM PST
i hope they get it solved soon!
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by jzaremski July 10, 2010 6:48 PM PDT
It would be great to see journalists such as yourself follow up on this issue. The posts to Micrsoft's Technet show the issue persists and many users note that there has not been a fix from Microsoft.

One of the reported issues seems to be that Windows 7 incorrectly reports the battery's "designed capacity" as some amount higher than its true designed capacity.

It seems that error causes the system to shut down early because Windows 7 thinks that the battery has already been substantially drained because it is assuming a higher design capacity than is correct.

Many users say that they did not have this problem before upgrading from either XP or Vista to Windows 7.
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