November 10, 2009 1:12 PM PST

Windows 7 use continues to climb

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Adoption of Windows 7 continues to grow, with the weeks-old operating system accounting for 4 percent of PCs accessing the Web over the past weekend, according to Net Applications.

By contrast, it took Windows Vista seven months to reach that level, the Web-monitoring firm said in a report.

"The early anticipation and high expectations for Windows 7 seem to have been warranted," Net Applications Executive Vice President Vince Vizzaccaro said in an e-mail.

One of the key questions, though, is whether Windows 7 will help Microsoft regain share from Apple, Vizzaccaro said. "Can Windows 7 stop the slow Windows decline, or even reverse it? I think we'll see that answer develop in the next few months," he said.

A week ago, Net Applications noted that Windows 7 use had topped 3 percent. The new operating system tends to do better on weekends, the time when consumer use accounts for more of the market and then share dips back somewhat as the work week starts.

Windows 7 went on sale October 22, though it was already topping 2 percent market share in Net Applications' daily tracking statistics even before its official debut.

Market researcher NPD said last week that boxed copy sales of Windows 7 were also outpacing those of Windows Vista in its initial days on the market.

Microsoft has also said it is seeing strong interest from businesses, although typically corporations take many months to test a new operating system before deploying it widely.

At TechEd Europe, Microsoft talked about enterprise adoption of Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2, highlighting some early customers of the two products.

"We remain just pleased and humbled by the very warm reception we're seeing," Windows Vice President Tami Reller said in a Webcast on Monday.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.

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by myles taylor November 10, 2009 1:23 PM PST
That's because Vista was so bad at first and Windows 7 is pretty awesome!

I don't see them reversing anything anytime soon. When people bite the bullet, take the plunge, or whatever metaphor you want to use for switching to Apple, they aren't going to just hop right back. That's one advantage to Apple's higher prices; if you switch it's more of a commitment. I can see it slowing the trend but not really reversing it.
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by Super2online November 10, 2009 1:30 PM PST
I expect the trend to accelerate as more and people experience the OS and decide the time is right to move up from XP.
by SpeedPsycho November 10, 2009 2:19 PM PST
I concur. The decline will be slowed by W7's release, but Apple won't lose any existing shares.
by captain_numerica November 10, 2009 2:30 PM PST
It works both ways. If you have an old OSX box and are looking to get some new hardware, you may be enticed to give a Win7 box a go.

Not trying to turn this into some silly "X is better than Y" claim. Just simply saying it goes both ways here. :)
by Hernys November 10, 2009 6:12 PM PST
Also, consider that even if no users switch from Mac to 7 (and I know at least one that's considering doing so, though the total number should be small), market growth could make Apple loose share.
It is unlikely that Apple will see a significant reduction though, but a one point reduction could be feasible if 7 sells lots of new machines.
by josh606 November 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST
Agree with myles.....

Vista is/was terrible and people just want to upgrade off of the sorry excuse of an OS. In the college campus environment, and working as the ResNet manager I hear alot of smack talk about Vista and trying to support Vista on a student computer that does not even meet the "required" configurations is pain.

We have a few vista computer that can not get an ip address no matter what we try they can not get a ip address from our own dhcp....they are trying to get an ip from some other dhcp server...and this is/was after a reformat. Works fine with Ubuntu Live...just not in Windows Vista.

I think Microsoft should buy back all the copies of VISTA because it sucked soo much.
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by dacopper November 10, 2009 2:09 PM PST
Not to seem like I'm talking smack, but you're a pretty incompetent IT guy if you can't even figure out to flush ARP table on the switch :)
by SpeedPsycho November 10, 2009 2:21 PM PST
I wouldn't give them my copy back. Works great for me.

AFAIK Windows 7 is basically Vista a few years later with a service pack.
by captain_numerica November 10, 2009 2:44 PM PST
@josh. No offense, but that sounds much more like an incompetent IT staff issue rather than an issue with Vista.
by Austin_Mike November 10, 2009 2:51 PM PST
dacopper FTW!
by frankwick November 10, 2009 8:40 PM PST
Vista sucked out the door in 2006 but it has come a loooooooooooong way. It is now a very good operating system. I guess the damage is done and it will forever be the "bad os" especially to those who never used it.

What makes it better now?
1. Lots of fixes in SP1 and SP2 bthat fix bugs and mainly speed
2. Hardware drivers were not ready in 2006. It took nearly 6 months for some vendors to create quality drivers. I'm looking at you Nvidia!!!
3. When Vista first came out lots of people were trying to run it on their PC they bought when XP was new in 2001/2002. Since then, people have upgrade their rigs to more competnent hardware.

Yes, Vista was bad but it has come a long way and is quite usable. Ever heard of the Mojave Project??
by rmva November 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST
I am very satisfied with today's Vista and see no reason to upgrade for at least a year. I have relatives on XP, so I will have to reformat/reinstall them in the near future.
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by Lennron November 10, 2009 7:02 PM PST
Today's Vista is pretty awesome, but I just couldn't help myself. Windows 7 is amazing and that $50 perorder made it impossible to resist.
by msolution November 11, 2009 6:50 AM PST
WinXP is something that was very reliable, Vista seemed like a problem child from Day one,... vista of the day still has issues with drivers, still cant get proper ones for my Dell flat screen monitor! had to go back to XP just coz of that... waiting for my Win7 CD for my laptop,... with the things ive been reading i wont mind upgrading from vista to 7 any day.
by nonicks November 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST
First thing First - Apple's OS SUCKs..
It's tiring to see ppl/media delibrately trying to push that suckish OS in completetion with MS.

Second thing - can someone list here 5 things which Apple's SL does better than Windows 7?
only 5 things...

any one.... .. C|Net moderators, Apple's babies... so called bloggers...
hellllllllllllooooooooooooooo. ....................
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by kewell82 November 10, 2009 2:09 PM PST
I know one. Apple is better at ripping you off with their over priced hardware.
by Super2online November 10, 2009 2:10 PM PST
Windows 7 can easily stand on it's own. If you expect to win the hearts and minds of anyone on here you might want to consider revising your approach. I'm a PC (long standing card holding member), but that was even offensive to me.
by WinNoMo November 10, 2009 2:25 PM PST
Yes I can. But I won't bother. Stick with Windows. It suits you fine.

Windows 7 is the best Windows ever. Does that make you happy?
by Gold_Storm_Mac November 10, 2009 2:29 PM PST
networking, virtual desktops, boot-up times and shut dow time, graphics, multimedia, being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance. file previews (look at a doc w/o opening), ...
by Vegaman_Dan November 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST
@Gold_Storm_Mac:

"networking, virtual desktops, boot-up times and shut dow time, graphics, multimedia, being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance. file previews (look at a doc w/o opening), ..."

All of which are available now. Some of those features have been available for *years* in previous versions. Some do require third party solutions like virtual desktops, but then again, that largely becomes a utility consumers are not likely to use, meant more for geeks and power users.

Please try again.
by Gold_Storm_Mac November 10, 2009 3:01 PM PST
@VegaDan
talking about who does it better. thats the question.
by lazycat202 November 10, 2009 3:15 PM PST
networking, virtual desktops, boot-up times and shut dow time, graphics, multimedia, being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance.

networking?? oh please!!
virtual desktop?? oh gosh!! try Hyper-V yet??
boot-up and shutdown? shut down some un-needed services in Win7 and don't install junk drivers and u'll see
multimedia? iTunes? gosh!!
being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance.! try win7 yet?
by Gold_Storm_Mac November 10, 2009 3:29 PM PST
what about multimedia besides itunes. home networking not int. networking. forget the last feature.
by nonicks November 10, 2009 3:52 PM PST
@Gold_Storm_Mac:

And how exactly you say it's better?

let's take your items 1 by 1

* networking - r u kidding?

* virtual desktops - Wait a minute.. Who uses this really? AND FYI, Linux can do this better then Apple OS.

* boot-up times and shut dow time - Have you heard of <25 second boot up and <15 second Shutdown??? That's Windows 7 for you.


* graphics, multimedia - Come out of your shell dear. FYI, It's 2009 and in few months it will 2010. Windows 7 was launched on Oct 22 2009. Time for you to try it out.
By the way, can you play all DVDs on your Mac without the Thirdparty application ?? Let me know when you are out of hibernation.


* being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance - O Man.. iif you live in a place, which has a bestbuy/frys/walmart, please go and get some hands on Windows 7
by 42istheanswer November 10, 2009 4:27 PM PST
HaHa. Fanboys. Get a life.
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by Random_Walk November 10, 2009 2:22 PM PST
Wow - leftovers?

(hint to the other posters - check the date of the article ;) )
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by Vegaman_Dan November 10, 2009 2:47 PM PST
Date listed:

November 10, 2009 1:12 PM PST

Todays' date:

November 10, 2009

Was it different when you looked at it earlier? CNET's system does at times list the dates incorrectly, I know.
by Random_Walk November 10, 2009 4:00 PM PST
It was some date from last week earlier... weird. It's also a dupe story from last week; I thought they had just had a burp in the system.
by aquaadverse November 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST
That Microsoft is really concerned with Apple remains one of the most illogical "common sense" theories around.

The desktop has always represented a platform to connect to and run Microsoft's other products. The truth is, despite all those commercials Apple runs trying to convince everyone that Microsoft manufactures computers, Microsoft loses little income when people purchase a Mac. They lose OEM license money. I don't doubt they would like to have it, but Dell and HP take far more of a blow than Redmond.

During most of Vista's run Microsoft had record revenue. While their client products showed an -8% performance shrink the Server Product was up +20%.. When the Linux community lost it's collective mind with Ubuntu disease and zero attention to growing awareness of it's superb qualities of cost and efficiency as a server platform, Microsoft quietly filled holes with SharePoint and consolidating the Accounting product with Dynamics.

Linux had Microsoft genuinely alarmed. The threat from Apple is mostly in the heads of Macheads and Job's lapdog press.
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by Splashes November 10, 2009 3:10 PM PST
Microsoft doesn't necessarily lose OEM license money when a Mac is sold. Some percentage of Mac buyers use Windows via Bootcamp or VM, and for those users, it means purchasing a full-price copy of Windows.

Re: threat from Apple, when you look at the comparative growth rates of Mac OS X and Windows, what do you think that means? (Not a snarky question, I'm genuinely curious!) I could assume you think the Mac's growth will slow down long before it becomes a significant threat (say, 20% of the market) -- if so, why? Thanks.
by cbscowards November 10, 2009 4:59 PM PST
I've never seen a MS commercial regarding Linux, but they've spent a lot of money on theiir "I'm a PC" campaign. It seems that someone at MS is worried about Apple.
by Hernys November 10, 2009 6:24 PM PST
It is true that MS loses little money when people buy a mac (the attach rate and price for Office are higher on the mac than on Windows, so they might be even making MORE money from macs) but if the mac reached a certain point (probably around 15% market share) the game would change. At that point developers would start cinsidering Apple as a platform seriously, and that creates a virtuous circle that's difficult to break. Microsoft's stronghold in the desktop comes from the applications and the hardware, and losing one of them as a differentiator would be bad.
As an example, look at the iPhone. The fact that people are using them to run apps everywhere and that they are BUYING apps, is a significan threat to microsoft. It is not 1:1 competition, but it somewhat displaces Windows from the center stage.
Linux does not concern MS at all, at least on the desktop. Even the most optimistic projections don't see Linux eroding Windows share in less than a decade, if ever (and I personally am more on the side of never). Open Source Software in general does worry MS, but Linux has failed to cause any harm in over ten years, and there's no indication that that will change in the near future.
by November 10, 2009 3:10 PM PST
Vista works fine for me. Never had a problem. I'm sure Windows 7 is great, but I haven't found a reason to move over to it. I think there's a lot of incompetence and/or technical naiveness in the all the Vista bashing. But why? it's really no different than any other Windows operating system.
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by Hernys November 10, 2009 6:30 PM PST
You likely have some decent machine, but those trying to get Vista running in low end hardware had a hard time, especially pre-SP1. So some of the bashing was justified in those situations. Today, no new machine, even netbooks, could have any problem running Vista. I have friends running handheld computers (such as the OQO) with Vista just fine. Now, with Windows 7 there's a huge performance improvement (not so much of the kind you'll measure in a benchmark, more of a UI responsiveness sort) especially in low end machines, so for those with older machines or new, low end machines, performance could be a big bonus.
But even if you are happy with Vista (I was) there are some very nice things in 7 that you could benefit from. I love the jump lists in the taskbar, they are a real time saver. WiFi connectivity is much faster and reliable now, and battery life has seen a very significant bump in my two laptops. There are a few other things that create a nicer experience, so I suggest you try it out somewhere, you might find that it is worth the admission price even if you are happy now.
by ywkhgqo November 10, 2009 3:31 PM PST
just installed seven yesterday as my university got ultimate free for its students. Definitely notice a speed and usability difference. Really really liking it.
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by whiplash55 November 10, 2009 3:35 PM PST
I guess worldwide its already passed Mac OSX, if not wait a few hours.
So 4x Windows 7 users to Linux users
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by nonicks November 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST
@Gold_Storm_Mac:

And how exactly you say it's better?

let's take your items 1 by 1

* networking - r u kidding?

* virtual desktops - Wait a minute.. Who uses this really? AND FYI, Linux can do this better then Apple OS.

* boot-up times and shut dow time - Have you heard of <25 second boot up and <15 second Shutdown??? That's Windows 7 for you.


* graphics, multimedia - Come out of your shell dear. FYI, It's 2009 and in few months it will 2010. Windows 7 was launched on Oct 22 2009. Time for you to try it out.
By the way, can you play all DVDs on your Mac without the Thirdparty application ?? Let me know when you are out of hibernation.


* being able to see ALL your open and minimized windows in one glance - O Man.. iif you live in a place, which has a bestbuy/frys/walmart, please go and get some hands on Windows 7
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by slapppy November 10, 2009 4:50 PM PST
Awesome. I'm sure the existing monopolized market has nothing to do with it at all.
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by gggg sssss November 10, 2009 5:32 PM PST
3 weeks and already more popular than all Macs put together.
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by shellcodes_coder November 10, 2009 6:16 PM PST
Windows 7 will rule!!
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by empirestatebuddy November 10, 2009 7:20 PM PST
Win7 will probably pass OSX's worldwide market share within a month of its release. In the US, it will take a bit longer, but I'd guess less than a year, particularly if the economy improves.
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by jezzali November 10, 2009 9:06 PM PST
Zzz tired and boring... I deleted what I was going to type because its just not worth it.
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by congthanhgiong November 11, 2009 2:25 AM PST
Dont' know why people hate vista that much. I have 1 laptop using vista for web developement, gaming and web browsing without fail. I definitely won't upgrade to win 7 because i don't see the need for that. For me, win 2003/2008 are the best OS MS has ever made.
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by kerjeman November 11, 2009 4:35 AM PST
A whole 4%, eh? According to another Net Applications report, Windows 7 usage is just over 2%, Vista is over 18%, and Windows XP remains the OS market leader at over 70%:

NetApplications MarketShare
Operating System Market share
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

In a sluggish economy, Windows 7 has a long way to go.
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by shycelticwitch November 11, 2009 9:20 AM PST
@ nonicks....

I am so very happy for you... your W7 finally gives you all the features that OS X users have been enjoying for years. You go on and play with your nice PC, I'm sure it's just perfect for you. And keep spewing mindless drivel about it too, it seems the other PC users here think it's gospel. The rest of us (the smaller part of the market share that seems to be what drives your insane hatred of all things Mac) will make sure we don't say anything bad about your superior, no-fault Windows OS that might unhinge you.

Go forth with the billions who share your small thoughts, but remember one thing... Ms has 92% of the market... but... being greater in numbers does not always indicate higher life form... cockroaches come to mind...
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by rapier1 November 12, 2009 8:47 AM PST
Ummm... If OS X is so much more advanced why did it take until 10.4.6 for them to start including receiver side auto-tuning? Why is their network stack still one of the slowest on the market? Oh wait, that's right you don't know anything about the internals of your OS. Sorry, my bad.
by shycelticwitch November 12, 2009 1:49 PM PST
What part of "superior technology" do you not understand? If Apple waited to do something, it was for the purpose of doing it better. And I know more about Macs than you'll ever know about PCs. Try reading profiles before you start throwing insults. Troll.
by shycelticwitch November 12, 2009 1:50 PM PST
You also made my point about "greater numbers". Thank you. LOL
by Commandoclone87 November 13, 2009 11:36 PM PST
wow, it sounds like someone needs to stop sniffing the clouds and pull a certain object out of a certain bodily oriface.
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