October 14, 2009 11:43 AM PDT

Using Windows 7 to 'Elevate Miami'

by Ina Fried
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When new software comes out, usually the more well-to-do get access first, and then eventually it trickles down. However, some of the first to use Windows 7 will be among those traditionally left behind--including those in some of Miami's poorest areas, many of whom don't even have a home computer.

That's because the city is moving to Windows 7 in several of the computer centers that are part of the Elevate Miami project, which aims to equip all of the city's residents with digital know-how, including its vast Spanish-speaking population and the city's most economically challenged areas.

Miami seniors get computer training at one of the city's many centers, this one in a Catholic church and senior center. Miami is moving several of its centers to Windows 7 just as the technology launches.

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The city is putting Windows 7 machines in five locations, including four of the city's parks and also at the Little Haiti Cultural Center. Two of the centers already have Windows 7 installed, according to city staff.

"By making the latest tools of technology available to the citizens of Miami, the Elevate Miami program hopes to better prepare the Greater Miami community to participate and compete in the new digital society and economy," said James Osteen, the city's assistant director of information technology.

CNET News toured one of the Miami projects last year as part of our Borders of Computing series, seeing firsthand as seniors--many of whom had never had access to technology--learned the basics of computing and used the PCs to connect to local friends and family overseas.

Miami wired the first of its city's parks in 2004, planning to slowly roll out the technology. But amid huge demand, the city connected more than 20 parks in that first year and, as of early last year, had more than 40 parks connected with about 300 computers.

"When we've looked in some of our particularly disadvantaged neighborhoods, we see computers in less than a third of houses," City of Miami CIO Peter Korinis said in an interview last year. "We see Internet connections in less than a quarter. Clearly these families and these households are going to have an uphill fight to take advantage of all that a computer has to offer, whether its education or health care or jobs."

Osteen said the city has had a very positive experience with the latest Windows.

"After using Windows 7 for very short period of time we suggested that Microsoft rename the OS to Windows Elevate... because as we used the OS it quickly became apparent that it would elevate security, elevate productivity and elevate performance and in the end elevate the bottom line for our IT Department, our organization and our community," Osteen said.

For those who don't happen to live close to one of the city's computing centers, Windows 7 goes on sale to the masses on Oct. 22.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.

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by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 11:56 AM PDT
Haven't heard of this program. Are these public kiosks in a park? Wonder how they prevent vandalism.
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by Random_Walk October 14, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
...or hacking. 30 seconds and a geek stick (or CD), and you could own a generic PC if it isn't properly hardened.

(note: this isn't against Windows 7 per se, but against the fact that local access = easier hacking, so the fanboy crowd can kindly shut the hell up).
by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
That's my thought. Physical access. I don't see that any USB port or any port at all should be accessible for that matter. Use one of those capacitance metal keyboards that is just a plate with silkscreened letters on it. Hard to damage those.

Hell, surprisingly a Surface unit would work out well here as it has no external ports and the screen itself is just a projection onto a piece of 2" thick acrylic.
by tjtaylor October 15, 2009 8:24 AM PDT
Miami-Dade county is adding Wi-Fi service to the parks, not public kiosks. (http://www.miamidade.gov/parks/about-parks.asp). This is different from the Elevate Miami project which appears to have computer labs and training facilities at certain Miami-Dade parks (http://portal.elevatemiami.com/Pages/Home.aspx)
by shycelticwitch October 14, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
Why worry about vandalism? They are using cheap PCs, yes?
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by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
I would think you'd want a hardened system that can't be vandalized. It has nothing to do with the computer itself. Keyboards, mice- or would it be a touch screen?
by WileySkier October 14, 2009 12:15 PM PDT
It sounds like the park is an ePark, a.k.a. computer lab.
http://portal.elevatemiami.com/Pages/Home.aspx
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by shycelticwitch October 14, 2009 12:37 PM PDT
I suppose if you stacked the boxes high enough it would elevate anything. Probably a much more productive usage too.

@Dan... sorry, having loads of trouble with my 2 PCs today. It seems they want to freeze when I open the one and only program on them... Publisher. So MS is in my s**t box today.
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by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
*PUBLISHER*?

You're kidding, right? Publisher is for... well, neophytes. Surely you are using PageMaker, Quark, or similar?
by shycelticwitch October 14, 2009 1:48 PM PDT
LOL Dan... We use Publisher ONLY to open those design files sent to us by wannabe artists. We do not use it to design anything. Nor do we use Corel, Paint or any of those other amateur design programs. CS 4 is our design suite, and InDesign smokes both Quark and PageMaker. Do they even make Pagemaker anymore?
by captain_numerica October 14, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
I didn't realize this article was about design tools. I must have misread.
by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 8:30 PM PDT
@ShyCelticWitch:

Yes, Pagemaker is still the default standard in the industry. CS4 is largely mocked as causing more confusion and problems for professional publishers by well meaning, but ignorant new users.
by shycelticwitch October 15, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
Can you show me some research to back that up? Seeing as I have been part of the industry for 20 years and have not heard Pagemaker even mentioned, and not often listed on publisher or printer websites in file requirements. InDesign, Quark, Illustrator and Photoshop are the top four requests for print-ready files with the 11 printers I deal with on a regular basis, one of those being RR Donnelly. Are you a designer?
by Vegaman_Dan October 15, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
@Shycelticwitch:

I am not a designer. You stated previously you were a systems admin. Are you now a designer and changed job roles?

It's possible that I run in different circles for getting print for hire work done. The shops I deal with want PDF's the preference towards Pagemaker/Quark as the data creator.

Photoshop is an image editor, not a publication application. It would be very difficult to use Photoshop for printing up 300 page books. I *suppose* you could make them all images, but that seems unwieldy and awkward.

Illustrator: See above for Photoshop.

InDesign: I haven't had any experience with this application, but have heard positive comments about it.

Quark: Pretty much the defacto standard of the day, still has a large following on Macintosh platforms.

I suppose this is a case where your mileage may vary.

Random_Walk could probably give us more information. He used to work for a children's book printer in Oregon and likely has some real world suggestions there.
by shycelticwitch October 15, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
Dan... I guess you don't pay much attention here do you. I have REPEATEDLY told you I OWN a design cooperative, at which I do my own IT. It takes about 2 hours a week of my time. I have been a designer for 25 years, since the days when type was set in bars and computers were not even on the scene yet. I never said I use Illustrator or Photoshop for publications. I use InDesign, and in 2005 I was lucky to have a temporary contract with KW Media Group (visit the website and you'll get the picture), where I helped them produce several magazines and instruction manuals for Adobe software. InDesign is used exclusively there, and as you can see by the number of publications they produce, it serves them quite well. All major printing companies who accept files in native format PREFER InDesign. It's more versatile in handling graphics, and has effects options that do not bloat the file size like Quark does. Most of my colleagues consider Pagemaker to be on the same level as Publisher.

If your statements are true, then why are 95% of the native publication files I receive done in InDesign?

Perhaps the "print for hire" circles you do run in are not serious design houses, but rather print shop art departments that don't really know any better.

It would not be wise to beat this horse anymore. Your knowledge of my industry is seriously deficient.

And again... I never said I was an SA. I said I do my own system maintenance because I don't need someone else to do it. My business is high-end graphic design. I even included a link for my websites in one of my previous replies to you, but apparently you missed that too.

So much for attention to detail... but if you're interested, go to www.brightideasmediagroup.com. And yes... I designed the Penthouse calendar you will see there.
by Nataku4ca October 15, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
from what i've heard and seen

many print shops and designers in asia use illustrator for brochures and what not, just not for 20+ books/magazines
most of them use a variety of tools that i can't even call the names out if they try to remain legal (since adobe is rather expensive)

indeign is pretty good, hearing this from a friend that's been in design for at least 8~9 years, but he said quark is more flexible... now how that is i can't tell since i don't use it myself, i just assist my girl friend who just started in design 2 years ago learning the tools...

me no design guy, just IT so all this are stuff that I have "heard"
by shycelticwitch October 15, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
Nataku... the Adobe suite allows dragging of images, not just between windows, but between the different programs. I can drag an eps image from a window in Illustrator to a page in InDesign. It automatically creates a "smart object" which resizes itself whenever I make changes to it in the original design program. Same with Photoshop, drag and drop, auto link and auto update. So far as I know, Quark does not yet have that ability. Illustrator is often used for catalog layout and technical manuals. Newspapers are switching to InDesign at a rapid rate, so are major magazines and booksellers. It has not been around as long as Quark, but I expect it will catch up very soon. I liked Quark, and was stubborn about switching until I did that short contract with the publisher I mentioned above (who may have published the books your girlfriend is using). Once I found out how smooth the suite programs interacted with each other, I was hooked. Quark has a lot more plug-in options which is why many think it is better, but a lot of those options are covered in the actual software with InDesign. They just have to "discover" it like I did.
by Nataku4ca October 16, 2009 12:53 PM PDT
@shycelticwitch

thanks for the info, i know that function of the adobe suite, but the software were so expansive I ended up getting using something else for my own use, my girlfriend had discount so it wasn't much of a problem for her..

I on the other hand was just toying around with the software lol
by myles taylor October 14, 2009 12:45 PM PDT
I don't care how good anything is, once it goes public there will be bugs exposed. I don't think this is smart. But what do I know?
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 14, 2009 12:49 PM PDT
why are they doing this when windows 7 is coming out. why not earlier.
end tell
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by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
Could be sponsorship money involved. If a city can save some money by letting someone else foot the bill or help offset costs by choosing a release date and OS, they would be fools to not do it.
by subslug October 14, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
""After using Windows 7 for very short period of time we suggested that Microsoft rename the OS to Windows Elevate..."

The problem is, Futurama predicted that the would be a Windows 7. We can't change what is destined to be.
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by cosuna October 14, 2009 2:09 PM PDT
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where they gave "Muffin-bottoms" to the homeless, just to have them thrown to the cast..... with the hobos rallying and yelling "Do you think we are second class citizens... The tops are the good part... why would you give us just the bottom".

If this city really cared for their citizens, it wouldn't stick them with Windows 7, since most modern jobs need XP literacy. Leave Vista and 7 for the gamers. Give them the REAL STUFF.
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by captain_numerica October 14, 2009 4:34 PM PDT
Teach them COBOL too!
by EvanSei October 14, 2009 5:15 PM PDT
have you used 7?
by Vegaman_Dan October 14, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
You don't teach an OS, you teach apps. The OS is just the platform that the apps run on.
by Dan7637 October 14, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
yeah give them some old outdated and no longer supported os
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by EvanSei October 14, 2009 5:20 PM PDT
how about they forget giving new equipment to the centers where lets face it people are going to damage the computers, and lets get the computers at schools around the country updated. I have some teachers running vista yea it's that bad. I'll tell you it's bad when the elementary school (at least one of them does) has macs running OSX for the kids and the high schools get vista and XP basic. (I bring my own computer running windows 7)
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by Yelonde October 15, 2009 4:49 AM PDT
What is bad about vista? What is bad about OSX? What is bad about XP, even XP basic? As far as I am concerned, I used those operating systems at my school for art design, CAD, animation, and web design. They are perfectly good operating systems.

Just because windows 7 is one of microsoft's so called "better" operating systems doesn't mean that every other operating system is bad. Have you used vista SP2? It is as good as 7 in terms of performance. Have you used OSX? Great for art and multitasking.
by EvanSei October 15, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
@Yelonde
First off OSX is really good, XP is also darn vista is terrible I own a vista machine and it just plain sucks, What I am getting at is the fact that the schools with a more wealthy student base gets all updated systems while the lesser fortunate get an oudated system, XP is good but the fact is it is out dated. Vista is so bad I understand that they did not update to vista but I am assuming they will keep XP at least until windows 9, so really what I am whinning about is the fact that schools get such bad funding they must rely on parent and community donations for up to date equipment, and in this world students need to be exposed to the most up to date software so they don't fall behind, heck at my school they don't even offer a computer class, sad I know.
by Weudel October 15, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
So, they should go with Edubuntu? This way they would get free upgrades every six months and a software package designed for educational settings. I know, you're going to tell me that second graders need to get used to using some specific Windows app, because that's what they'll be working with in the real world in 15 years.... Really?
by EvanSei October 15, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
@weudel
for kids in elementry school this would not be a bad thing to have, of course you would need the programs used in the real world for the high school and possibly middle school students. By having the elementry school students use Edubuntu money could be spent on giving high scool and middle school students up to date programs. I mean really why do elementry school students get macbooks runniong OSX and high school and middle school students get Dell's running XP basic with celeron procesors?
by Yelonde October 15, 2009 5:05 PM PDT
@EvanSei

Oh, aight, I didn't completely understand what you were getting at.

As for edubuntu, the problem with edubuntu is that it is not usable for school students, and most school admins. The linux operating system is great, BUT it lacks high-end programs that the world actually uses. Art institutions use Adobe and Corel. Programers use Visual and C. Designers use autocad and solidworks. Writers and presentation programs are primarily mac/windows based.

Linux is too confusing, and has no support, something that schools and businesses with computers need. In the short run, Ubuntu is cheap, but in the long run, it is time consuming, and unproductive.
by Weudel October 16, 2009 5:30 AM PDT
@Yelonde...

Okay, if by support you mean some guy who speaks little-to-no English at some call center waiting for your call, then, okay Ubuntu does lack that. But there is a large community of users that are more than happy to help with any little issue that comes up.

As far as the x proprietary software is the industry standard and kids need to be learning that argument goes. One of the keys to computer literacy is the ability to adapt to new software and technologies as they come along. So, no, Ubuntu doesn't run Corel or Adobe or whatever, but there is undoubtedly an open source equivalent to anything that needs to be taught in the schools. I really don't think it matters whether they are learning photo manipulation on PhotoShop or GIMP, because some product that has not even been conceived of yet will likely be the industry standard by the time these kids finish college and enter the job market.

If you think Linux is too confusing then you haven't tried it recently, and, the fact is, if kids learn to work through any issues that may come up when they're young, they'll be better equipped to deal with the inevitable Windows 12 problems prior to SP1.

Just sayin'...
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