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October 12, 2009 10:11 AM PDT

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Wireless carrier T-Mobile USA has, at least temporarily, stopped selling all models of the Sidekick in the wake of a massive hardware failure that resulted in many customers losing their e-mail, contacts, and other data.

As of Sunday, all models of the Sidekick were listed as "temporarily out of stock" on T-Mobile's Web site. T-Mobile retail store workers also said on Monday that they have been instructed to halt new sales of the device as the company continues to investigate the recent problems that have plagued the handheld.

To recap, Sidekick customers started experiencing problems connecting to the data network more than a week ago. Microsoft, whose Danger subsidiary powers the Sidekick service, said it was investigating the problems.

On Saturday, Microsoft and T-Mobile posted an updated notice saying all data that was not currently on customers devices was likely lost permanently.

Microsoft and T-Mobile have not said how many of the roughly 800,000 Sidekick customers have lost data. Microsoft said a server failure impacted the main and back-up databases. One theory is that the problems cropped up as Hitachi was doing work on the storage network that manages the Sidekick data.

T-Mobile has promised an update for customers sometime Monday. For now, the carrier has advised customers not to reset their devices, remove the battery, or let them run out of power, as doing so could result in losing whatever data they do have.

Microsoft acquired Danger last year, saying it hoped to use its service architecture more broadly in its mobile strategy. The software maker has been working on a project code-named Pink that was to be essentially the future of the Sidekick. The company had not planned for any more versions of the current Java OS-based Sidekick.

Update, 12:30 p.m. PT: T-Mobile confirmed that "Sidekick sales are temporarily on hold." A company representative told CNET News in an e-mail that the company doesn't have an exact number of customers who lost data but that "we believe it is a minority of customers."

Although there are reports that customers are being let out of their wireless contracts and being offered discounts on other T-Mobile phones, the company is officially offering only one month of Sidekick data service. "We are also considering additional measures for those who have lost their content to help reinforce how valuable they are as T-Mobile customers," the representative said.

As for why there weren't better backup mechanisms in place, T-Mobile referred that question to Microsoft.

Update, 2 p.m. PT: Even though T-Mobile has said it has temporarily halted sales of the Sidekick, retailers in New York were still selling the device Monday. At three different locations on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, sales representatives said the Sidekicks were still available, but they were warning any potential customers that mobile Web and e-mail services might not work until the server problem is resolved. They said the phone and the accompanying text-messaging service have not been affected, so customers buying a new Sidekick would be able to make calls, as well as send and receive SMS messages.

In an e-mail to retail sales managers dated October 10, T-Mobile instructed managers on how to deal with Sidekick customers. The message informed them that some personal information backed up by the Microsoft/Danger servers had been lost. This information included pictures, contacts, e-mails, text messages, calendar entries, and to-do lists.

"Our teams continue to work around the clock in hopes of discovering a means for a network recovery solution. However, the likelihood of a successful outcome is extremely low," the e-mail stated.

Sales representatives were told to direct customers with questions to T-Mobile Forums on its Web site for details and to get updated information.

As part of its "action steps," sales reps were also directed to tell customers not to reset their devices by removing the battery or letting their battery drain completely.

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by ddhboy October 12, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
I wonder how pissed T-Mobile is at Microsoft. Rumors have it that T-Mobile is offering customers the ability to back out of their contracts with no penalties. All this is seriously denting any momentum T-Mobile was hoping to build to whatever Project Dark is.
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by Super2online October 12, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
I think you've got it backwards. I'm wondering how upset Microsoft is with the Danger IT adminstrators for allowing a process to move forward that could endange customer data on the main and backup servers. Nobody, but nobody does that. Look what kind of a massive customer relations nighmare they have created for Microsoft right when they are getting ready to launch Azure. If I were them, heads would roll in a serious way.
by bramweiser October 12, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
Dear Super2online,

What I'd read was that Microsoft was somehow ridding Danger of its staff (simple attrition, laying off, etc.) since the takeover, thus purging the company of its empirical knowledge about the Sidekick hiptop device. If that's true, then they have only themselves to blame as we're now 1-1/2 weeks(!) into this quagmire.

Bram
by Random_Walk October 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
"I'm wondering how upset Microsoft is with the Danger IT adminstrators"

They've been Microsoft employees for nearly two years now, or did you not get the memo? ;)
by viper396 October 12, 2009 4:33 PM PDT
@Bram "What I'd read was that Microsoft was somehow ridding Danger of its staff "


You read that where? How convienient of you to have "read" something that "somehow" fits your assumption. How does it make any sense to buy out a technology company they purge all technical staff members? The fact is Microsoft bought the company because of their knowledge expertise and too learn it, not despite it. Most Danger employee became Microsoft employee. I'm sure there were probable some layoffs of redundant staff such admins, HR personel, and management, but the technical staff with the "empirical knowledge" were probable all safe.
by bramweiser October 13, 2009 6:32 AM PDT
@viper396, I've seen a number of comments here on CNet ("Sidekick users share their horror stories") and in TMobile's Sidekick forum which speak of this as fact. I'm not saying I know it first-hand to be true, just that this potential piece of the story is out there and, apparently, with some credibility behind it. In fact, I recall no one (before your anecdotal comment) who claimed otherwise, or otherwise contested what I wrote.

I'll turn this around then...how do YOU know that they're "probable (sic) all safe"? Perhaps you're speculating, which is fine, but I'd respectfully suggest digging around in places such as those I mentioned above and, if you do, then I'll bet you'd find informed comment that claims exactly what I wrote to be factual.
by Police_States_of_America October 12, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
Danger, LLC?

wonder who will front the bills for any lawsuits that might come.
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by Random_Walk October 12, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
Their owner... Microsoft.
by Brandonius Maximus October 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
Hundreds of attorneys just made the "cha-ching" sound. No Terms of Service agreement will protect the company from negligence on this scale. . .
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by gggg sssss October 12, 2009 5:51 PM PDT
well, yes it will
by NIU_Huskie October 13, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
@gggg sssss

No, it wont. All one has to do is remember the basics of a civil wrong and negligence from a basic business law class:

1) The defendant had a legal duty to act carefully; Microsoft/Danger and T-Mobile had a legal duty; i.e. contractual between each other and through users, to act carefully with respects to data and cellular service.
2) The defendant breeched the duty to act carefully; Microsoft/Danger and T-Mobile breeched the duty to act carefully, whether through Microsoft's negligence, whether intentional or unintentional, with respects to the data entrusted in them to protect or T-Mobile's lack of oversight when it comes to the party under contractual obligation to protect said data.
3) The defendant's failure to act carefully proximately caused the plaintiff's injury; Microsoft/Danger and T-Mobile failure to cat carefully (more or less mostly Microsoft's problem, although with respect to T-Mobile, they additionally had a duty to make sure the data was being watched over by someone who could properly maintain it) caused the data loss.
4) The defendant's negligence caused the plaintiff to suffer physical injury or damage; Microsoft/Danger and T-Mobile caused the data loss through the parties negligence.

There is absolutely no TOS agreement that would protect a company from such a gross negligence complaint, and in my opinion, T-Mobile has the grounds for quite the massive negligence against Microsoft.

Expect a class action lawsuit from users as well as a lawsuit from T-Mobile.
by tyshockner October 12, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
T-Mobile made one mistake here. They hired Microsoft to run their cloud (who just jumped in the band-wagon by the way) instead of going with a more grounded company in the cloud storage arena.
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by Vegaman_Dan October 12, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
Correction: Danger had their own cloud data system that Microsoft inherited when Dnager was purchased by MSFT. Microsoft may own Danger, but they didn't have anything to do with this outage. This is a failure of Danger's system alone. Buuuut, it will be Microsoft who has to write the checks to make up for the failure on Danger's part.
by bicparker October 12, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
Microsoft had everything to do with Danger and this outage the second they closed the deal in buying Danger. They didn't just buy the assets, but the liabilities as well.

This isn't Danger, it is Microsoft. Nothing personal, just business.
by izmickey October 12, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
@bicparker
Its BOTH Danger and Microsoft.
by make_or_break October 12, 2009 5:20 PM PDT
Hey...don't forget Hitachi, if indeed their service techs actually created this crash. It certainly doesn't absolve MSFT for not having a better data backup plan in place...unless somehow those same services managed to foul that up at the same time.
by timber2005 October 12, 2009 6:15 PM PDT
Well it does say the work affect the main AND backup data storage... not to mention the local copies stored on the phones ><.
by lil-yankee October 12, 2009 7:05 PM PDT
dont mind vegaman_dan
Hes put here to defend microsoft so........
No point arguing there.
by JCPayne October 16, 2009 12:59 AM PDT
This rests with Microsoft.... If you turn on the Sidekick and go into the settings area you'll see that it connects to t-mobile.hiptop.com which is a secondary domain off hiptop.com Hiptop.com is owned by Danger aka Microsoft. So the devices connect directly to Microsoft's infrastructure.
by XJwill October 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
It seems to be a conflict of interest for Microsoft, which depends primarily for its income on operating systems with hard disc storage, to be sponsoring a mainframe-like service which assumes operating systems without hard disc storage.

I don't see why users would trust remote storage for anything important IN ANY EVENT. Maybe for occasional backups, only. However, why would they expect Microsoft to encourage care in administering a system which cuts into its income?

The days of mainframes are OVER! Trying to make money on centralized, mainframe storage is a move backward, not forward, in technology. I don't see why Microsoft bought into such an idea in the first place.
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by eyepoker October 13, 2009 6:00 AM PDT
"I don't see why Microsoft bought into such an idea in the first place."

Because google is doing it.
by moordrake October 12, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
All these users trusted the data to a comnpany named ......"DANGER"...........I'm just saying.
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by b00dah October 12, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
ROFLMAO... now THAT should be framed as the ultimate quote for this article! Danger... Hahahahahah!
by darthgerber October 12, 2009 11:07 AM PDT
Kudos, moordrake! First time I got a chuckle from this blog!
by Super2online October 12, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
As far as I know, T-mobile hasn't hired Microsoft for anything. The servers Danger is using were already in place prior to the Microsoft purchase. You certainly don't go in radically changing the infrastructure until the hardware and software you are designing is ready to replace it. This is a clear error on Dangers part who unfortunately now happens to be part of Microsoft.
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by Random_Walk October 12, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
Ah, I was wondering what the spin would settle down to. ;)
by B-Ri October 12, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
I agree that this was a major failure on MS and Danger's part. Heads have to roll over this. You don't take risks on production stuff without a good backup in place. Just not kosher and I am 100% confident that MS knows this and if they had been aware of what was going on they would have done something to stop it from happening. I am anxious to hear the whole story as it comes out.
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by ender21 October 12, 2009 11:39 AM PDT
Tony Hawk's gotta be pretty p issed off right about now.
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by douggdangger October 12, 2009 12:49 PM PDT
Even the smallest companies with an IT team have BACKUPS.

Can't they restore the stuff they lost?
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by markdoiron October 12, 2009 12:54 PM PDT
This is why I always despised Sun's thin client computing initiative, and this is exactly why I will NEVER trust anything important to cloud computing. Period. Data is money, and anyone who's smart knows that there's only one person you can trust with your money--that's yourself. And it's exactly the same with data. Keep it local, and make back-ups and have a plan for off-site storage. --mark d.
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by odubtaig October 12, 2009 1:59 PM PDT
Yeah, people keep asking me what I'd need Professional Indemnity insurance for if I'm going to be working on people's computers and the simple answer is that data on a computer can be worth sooo much more than a the computer itself. Even if someone's blaming you for something that's their own fault you need lawyers.
by Derekuda October 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
Super2online, your an effing *******! Get your facts straight before you open your mouth. Microsoft owns Danger and has fired or presuaded to leave, all but a handfull of remaining danger employees.
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by studiodave56 October 12, 2009 1:55 PM PDT
Yes this is a planed by Microsoft failure. They buy competition, strip it of what they want, and trash the rest, then deny blame. Microsoft's M.O. for twenty years.
by becadmail October 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
Considering the situation, T-mobile is doing an excellent job with customer service. They are concerned about their customers and are trying their best to satisfy them due to the circumstances. They have halted the sale of the problem, offered people out of their contracts, and offered discounted phone prices for jilted customers.

I am glad to see any business concerned with their customers. It seems like that should not have to be said, but some businesses do not show concern and have poor customer service skills?some businesses would say, "you lost your data because of a network problem ... oops, sorry," and that would be the end of it as far as they are concerned.

I am glad to see a responsible business at work. Now, if their voice and data coverage was better, I would consider purchasing a phone and plan from them. As a previous customer, I know too many of my calls were dropped.
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by odubtaig October 12, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
This **** is bananas. I've had various arguments lined up against putting any important or sensitive data on the cloud (never mind having it as your only form of storage) for a long time but I've always assumed a sufficient level of data backup with large companies. After all, it's a longstanging principle that doesn't change just because the data comes from outside. This points to a likely single point of failure in the system so it's not just that someone (maybe from Hitachi, maybe not) screwed up now, it's that the people designing the original system left in a fatal flaw.

If the data is ever recovered, the way it's stored and backed up needs to be rethought from the start or the possibility of this happening again is left open.
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by alexacker October 12, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
Sidekick is such a joke. I had Sidekick v1.0 and it sucked then and they still suck now. They didn't follow the same basic rules I tell my 65-yr old mom -- MAKE A BACKUP! What a joke -- all of them: T-Mo, Sidekick, Danger, MS. Glad I went from sidekick to treo and finally landed to the best smartphone of them all: the iPhone. Diss if you want but you don't hear about ****like this happening from the Apple camp.

I feel bad for Sidekick users though... you guys are the real victims here and hope you can get your data back somehow. Even resort to old school methods and copy off phone numbers and email addresses with a pencil and paper if necessary.

Good luck to you guys. Find a new smart phone quickly... Apple, Palm just not Sidekick.
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by EdCenter October 12, 2009 3:09 PM PDT
Simple question: Of all the angry, furious, and (at times) livid posts to this article, have any of them been victims of Sidekick's data loss?
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by viper396 October 12, 2009 5:03 PM PDT
Of course not. Most are just juvenile Fan Boys using the opportunity to show off their inadequacies.
by J.G. October 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
The problem is not that cloud storage and backup is bad per se. It is fine as part of a multiple backup solution. Reliance on the cloud only is what made this fiasco possible. There should be a way to back up the Sidekick locally, so there is at least one level of redundancy in the the consumer's control.

I also urge users to upload contacts and calendars to at least one web service as well. Dropbox and Soonr offer 2GBs of storage free and also synchronize among computers and phones.
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by viper396 October 12, 2009 5:10 PM PDT
Even if there was a way to make local backups, would most people do it? My experience says no. This could have just as easily happened to anyone using Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo, Google apps, etc. May people are just one disaster away from loosing all their e-mail and contact information.
by gggg sssss October 12, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
replace danger with salesforce.com in that sentence for a real fuster cluck
by ikramerica--2008 October 13, 2009 1:04 PM PDT
Well, something like .Mac/MobileMe works better.

Yes, your contacts are in the cloud, but they are also synced to your desktop automatically, so you don't have to think about it. And if your computer at home or the office is backed up automatically, then it is also safe at home. So even if the cloud decided to erase all your contacts on the iPhone, and then sync that to your other machines so they are all blank (which has happened on very rare occasions so I understand), your timed backup at work or at home has the entire DB sitting there, waiting to be recovered. Same for calendar, bookmarks, mail, etc.

Many other services work the same way. But they do rely on the home or office user having a local backup solution in place. From what I can gather, the Sidekick service wouldn't allow for that level of redundancy.
by gefitz October 12, 2009 4:20 PM PDT
"Microsoft and T-Mobile have not said how many of the roughly 800,000 Sidekick customers have lost data. Microsoft said a server failure impacted the main and back-up databases. One theory is that the problems cropped up as Hitachi was doing work on the storage network that manages the Sidekick data. "

"A" server failure? "THE" main and backup databases? "THE" storage network? What, was there only one of each here? Wow.

I mean, heck, M'Soft got hold of Danger "only" two years ago. That's not enough time to build redundancy. ;p
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by gefitz October 12, 2009 4:21 PM PDT
"Danger". Heh.
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by atish505 October 12, 2009 5:53 PM PDT
Microsoft has owned Danger for over a year now and they are full responsible and liable for this fiasco. Just goes on to show that you cannot trust anything from Microsoft: OS, Apps, Services. Stay away from them.

This is going ot have a terrible impact on sales of WinMo devices that are already struggling and breathing their last in the onslaught of Android.
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by JMax19 October 12, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
No, this will boost sales of WinMo devices. No one, except for people who hate Microsoft, is going to blame this on them. WinMo devices will get a boost since the Sidekick brand is destroyed and if you're on T-Mobile, your choices boil down to the HTC Touch Pro 2 or the myTouch 3G. I would guess that the majority of people will go to the myTouch (since it's 200 cheaper than the HTC), but when you eliminate one platform on a carrier, it's only logical that the others will go up in popularity. (Some people will go to Blackberries also, especially corporate customers and people who only liked the messaging part of the Sidekick.)

WinMo is still very popular among enterprise customers, and that's what the phones have traditionally been geared towards. That's changing though. Android is NOT popular among that particular sector, although that may eventually change also. It can still do things that not even the iPhone can't do. (Several printers, for example, have WinMo drivers available, but I'm not aware of anything like that for Android.)

WinMo is going to stick around for a long time. I own an iPhone, BTW, so I have no dog in this fight. But to say that this will hurt the sales of WinMo phones is just plain stupid. It's a different platform, built by a different company, and the perception is that it has nothing to do with Microsoft whatsoever.
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