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August 11, 2009 1:05 PM PDT

Microsoft, Nokia plan mobile Office deal

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft is expected on Wednesday to announce a partnership with European mobile giant Nokia to help get its Office software onto that company's mobile phones, CNET News has learned.

With the next version of Office, Microsoft is trying to expand its desktop hold on the productivity market into one that spans the PC, Web, and phone, and this deal is seen as a significant move in that last category.

The software maker has already said that, with the next version of Office, it plans to offer browser-based versions of Word, PowerPoint, Excel, and OneNote. Those programs will be able to run inside Safari and Firefox in addition to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. That means that Office, for the first time, will run on Linux-based machines.

On the phone side, Microsoft has shown the ability for Office 2010 documents to be displayed on a variety of mobile phones. So far, the only phones that have their own native versions of Office have been those running Microsoft's Windows Mobile software.

Microsoft is looking for ways to strengthen its Office franchise into one that maintains its relevance and market share even as the PC becomes just one of many devices people use to access their information. Office is also vital to Microsoft's fiscal health, with much of the company's profits still coming from Windows and Office.

Microsoft released a technology preview of the PC-based Office 2010 applications in July, although it has yet to start publicly testing the browser-based versions. The final version of Office 2010 is due next year.

Although Nokia and Microsoft have long been rivals in the phone business, the two have also struck deals at times. Nokia already has a license that allows its phones to connect to Exchange Servers using Microsoft's ActiveSync protocol. In 2007, Microsoft also struck a deal with Nokia to have Windows Live services run on the Finnish company's phones.

The deal comes even as Microsoft is trying to figure out how to keep its Windows Mobile operating system in the game amid stiff competition from Nokia in Europe as well as Apple's iPhone, RIM's BlackBerry, and an emerging threat from devices running Google's Android operating system.

Expanding Office to other mobile devices may help that business, but at the same time takes away one of the areas where Windows Mobile had a leg up on rivals--its direct compatibility with Office.

Update: The two sides aren't talking details, but they have confirmed a press conference on Wednesday to discuss an alliance. It will start at 8 a.m. PT and CNET will have live coverage.

Also, as TechFlash's Todd Bishop points out, Microsoft's Mac Business Unit has scheduled an announcement for Thursday. Do you think we'll see Office for the iPhone this week?

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by BogusBasin August 11, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
Windows Mobile has never enjoyed a leg up on anything. It is bloated, crash prone, complicated garbage.

Uh oh, here come the MS Defenders!

Amen
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by goodspeed8701 August 11, 2009 2:03 PM PDT
So far i prefer my HTC to any phone out there. And if the iphone can't multi task then its useless to me. I don't care how it looks.
by lazycat202 August 11, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
HTC is also my first choice. I want a phone that can do ANYTHING. Iphone is out of my list :P
Crash phone? never crashed on me. Only slow down a bit because I installed lots of apps and open more than 3 apps at the same time. These apps were not filtered by Microsoft. Thank god!!
Complicated garbage? Don't run to the table and eat what are already on it. Learn how to cook first, then you'll appreciate your cooking skills.
by jessiethe3rd August 11, 2009 3:53 PM PDT
Yup...here comes the MS users... not defenders. I use my HTC Touch Pro2 in ways that an iPhone user can only wish. Regardless there is a new build of 6.5 coming out in the next month or so. WM7 is coming soon as well... For corporate users nothing beats Windows Mobile for a Microsoft corporate shop.
by dennisheadley August 11, 2009 4:07 PM PDT
Whatever, have a Samsung Omnia w/16gb from verizon and while the phone is really nice, the Windows Mobile is by far the low point of the phone and the one thing that keeps it from being truly great. It locks up at times on waking, doesn't always properly do notifications, all kinds of small annoying things.

I've purchased all kinds of application packages like the SPB stuff, WisBar suite, and many more. Tried various ROMs of both windows mobile 6.1 and 6.5 and it still does all those same things, no matter if its fully loaded up with apps or just running the default build.
by dennisheadley August 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
Oh yeah, forgot to mention that without some kind of device maker added interface or a software package from a company like SPB or Lakeridge Software windows mobile on a pure touch device is like a trip to the dentist.

Don't get me wrong its the first smartphone i've gotten for personal use and i like having push email / exchange integration and office applications, i do allot of my emails from my phone now instead of unpacking the laptop when I'm on the road, but that doesn't mean that I don't realize that windows mobile now is about comparable to windows 95 if it were a desktop OS. It has a long way to go to be on par with Vista/7.
by kojacked August 11, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
Clue: Windows Mobile isn't the deal they are talking about.

Clue2: See first clue. You need a second chance at reading.
by gabichi23 August 12, 2009 12:17 AM PDT
five year olds should not be allowed to comment on things that only grown ups would know about. I had an iphone for 3 months a blackberry bold for 6 months and windows mobile for at least 3 years and an nokia e71 for 4 months. The most stable system was symbian then windows mobile followed by blackberry then lastly the iphone. if you comment on something at least try backing it up with real hands on experience....... otherwise don't try getting attention with stupid comments.
by slecalvez August 11, 2009 1:28 PM PDT
No, you're right. I think Microsoft is getting it's mojo back with Windows 7, Natal, Bing, Office 14 (Web), but Windows Mobile is pretty lame. At least 6.1 is terrible, slow and crashes constantly. I hope they fix it by 6.5.
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by BogusBasin August 11, 2009 1:51 PM PDT
Although I am an avid MS hater, I will admit they seem to be on a better track than the recent past. A track to obscurity none the less.

Amen
by Glassner_S August 11, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
LOL! You're joking...right?

Windows 7 - Effectively what Vista should of been. Golf clap.

Motion Controls Tacked on the failed Xbox console. You can't be serious...

Microsoft Search - Actually lower marketshare than last year before they renamed it. 150 million wasted on trying to get people to use their unwanted search engine and it still sits in last place at 8 percent.

Web version of the office software - yawn.

It is fun though to watch to see which of Microsoft's big failures, Xbox and Search, are going to go down as the company's biggest fiasco. Xbox has a huge head start with some 8 billion in losses and the worst console hardware ever created. But Ballmer is really dumping cash into the failed Bing with his Google insanity.
by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 4:25 PM PDT
To be fair, the xbox is making a profit nowadays... likely not enough to make up for the billions spent on it, but it is turning a raw (albeit relatively small) profit.

The Natal thing can be had right now, though you have to buy a Nintendo Wii to use it. ;)

You are correct on the Bing efforts - though to be fair the looky-loo factor has brought it up out of a terminal nosedive. Whether that momentum will actually carry is another story altogether.

In this article's case, Windows Mobile is a dying cause - Microsoft would see more success with making MS Office into an iPhone app (like that would ever happen, but at least they'd stand a chance of turning a profit...)

Windows Mobile got its backside handed to it by the iPhone, and Palm looks to splatter the remains. Little wonder that Microsoft is desperately casting about for ways to get at least some interest in the thing... though IIRC, even HTC (WM's biggest hardware fan) is slowly moving to Android...
by Glassner_S August 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
No, the Xbox mess isn't 'making a profit now'.

It is bizarre how this has been constantly claimed going all the way back to 2002 or 2003.

The E&D Division barely managed to make a tiny profit for the ENTIRE division in 2008. That includes a whole bunch of profitable products besides the Xbox. Almost four years into the console's life and the massive 50 dollar a year online fees and other profitable products like Microsoft Mac software unit that is stuck in the E&D Division to hide the Xbox losses and the entire division effectively added nothing to Microsoft's overall profits.

Even with the Xbox 360 hardware being the worst console hardware ever made, Microsoft is still losing money on the console hardware nearly four years after it was released. It is staggering to think how gigantic the losses would be if Microsoft wasn't forcing Xbox owners to pay 50 dollars a year for the right to play games online.

No wonder Microsoft is throwing in the towel on trying to compete with Sony and the PS3. And instead are just going to recycle the old Xbox 360 hardware with some motion controls tacked on. No one up in Redmond appears to be in the mood to hand over another four billion for the idiots running the Xbox disaster to blow on new Xbox hardware.
by Kwasiowusu August 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT
@ Glassner_S : 'Windows 7 - Effectively what Vista should of been. Golf clap."

Windows 7 even in RC1, is about the best desktop operating system on the planet. It will sell more in just one week, than all the Apple macs sold in the last 12 months.
Meanwhile, Microsoft continues to dominate the world's desktops with over 92% matket share.
Linux? That are less than a rounding error..after over 15 years of trying.
How pathetic is that?

@ Glassner_S :"Microsoft Search - Actually lower marketshare than last year before they renamed it. "

Bing had a biger market share in June than it did n May, and a bigger market share in July than it did in June, albeit the increases were not very bid.

@ Glassner_S : "Web version of the office software - yawn."

With or without web Office, MS Office totally dominates with over 90% market share any way. Google apps is a joke. After 2 years of trying Google apps is still stuck on the road to nowhereland with a tiny market share.



@ Glassner_S : ".It is fun though to watch to see which of Microsoft's big failures, Xbox and Search, are going to go down as the company's biggest fiasco. "

You just crack me up.
The XBOX 360 has been outselling the PS3 every single month in NPD hardware sales this year and even before that. Since September last year alone, the XBOX 360 has outsold the PS3 by a massive 2 million in NPD sales alone. In software sales, every single multiplatform game sells vastly more on the 360 than on the PS3. Heck even Actvison's CEO was forced to warn Sony that they are not too happy woth Activision software sales on the PS3.
In the UK, the 360 contnues to outsell the PS3 in Charttrack hardware sales.
Worldwide, the 360 detsroys the PS3, with the 360 ahead of the PS3 by a very comfortable 8 million units.
I don't see the PS3 finishing anywhere but oh last position in this generation, which is a massive come down for ony, given that the PS2 used to dominate totally in the last gen.
by Rolker August 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
Nokia is the biggest cellular company in the world, and this agreement should allow MS enter a huge market.
It is interesting how Microsoft is changing, supportimg non-MS browsers and Symbian. Competition makes things better for us users.
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by BogusBasin August 11, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
Agreed

Amen
by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
IIRC, they're still pimping WM and not making a Symbian version, yes?
by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 4:27 PM PDT
Ah - read the article. Damn...
by El_Segfaulto August 11, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
I've had Office running on my Linux box for years now. Nothing special about the browser edition, move along.
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by The_happy_switcher August 11, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
I, for one, want to know if two bricks tied together do indeed float better than one.
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by lil-yankee August 12, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
Dude that cracked me up, I was thinking the same thing.
These two are going to hit the sea floor harder than titanic.
by pithenumber August 11, 2009 2:17 PM PDT
"That means that Office, for the first time, will run on Linux-based machines. "
Office has worked on Linux just fine for a good while
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by jtjt145 August 11, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
M$: The death star in in its death throes. :-)
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by monkeyfun14 August 11, 2009 3:20 PM PDT
How is MS dying?
by Vegaman_Dan August 11, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
@Monkeyfun14:

Microsoft is dying because people who are rather ... insecure about their egos and their choices for religion may feel threatened by the success of anything they don't like, say it is dying.

You know, troll food.
by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
...so maybe you two gents can explain why Microsoft is making a Symbian/Linux build of MS Office, instead of simply making it Windows Mobile only by fiat?
by monkeyfun14 August 11, 2009 5:27 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

Possibly because that's what people have been asking for?
by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 6:23 PM PDT
LOL! If that were the case, there would be MS Office apps in the iPhone App Store by now... ;)
by monkeyfun14 August 11, 2009 8:04 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

I hardly see it as a reason for them "dying"
by Random_Walk August 12, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
...then look at the Canalys figures, or NPD or...
by Mark_Anderson August 14, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
@Random

Probably to compete against QuickOffice who already make Office editors. Oh yeah and why would MS make Exchange available to Nokia phones if they were trying to build up WinMo?

Hmm?
by universitysda August 11, 2009 3:40 PM PDT
wow...nice post. Thanks!
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by forever4now August 11, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
I think Microsoft is interested in keeping Symbian alive, until they release WinMo 7. If, heaven forbid, Nokia moved to Android, that would give Android so much momentum that even a good WinMo 7 would have difficulty overcoming it.

Let's see how much interest Microsoft has in Symbian, or even Nokia, once WinMo 7 is released.
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by Random_Walk August 11, 2009 4:29 PM PDT
Nokia may move to Android anyway...
by Kwasiowusu August 11, 2009 9:23 PM PDT
@ Random_Walk :"Nokia may move to Android anyway... "

In your dreams perhaps, This happens tl be real life.
Why on earth would Nokia, with Symbian, the biggest smart phone seller by far on the planet, move to Android, when Symbian is a far, far , far better smartphone operating system than Andriod will ever be, and Symbian has a vastly bigger market share than Andriod will ever have?
You are making about as much sense as a door knob.
by ncalishome August 12, 2009 2:15 AM PDT
MS/Nokia announced over a year ago that they were bringing Silverlight to Symbian, so my bet is that they're simply offering the Silverlight version of Word/etc on there. The online version of Office will supposedly have a Silverlight option right? So this would be a no-brainer. I don't think they have any interest in cutting off Symbian or any users from their Office products, it brings more people closer to buying desktop versions.
by tech_crunch13 August 11, 2009 9:54 PM PDT
@ Glassner_S

Notice some animosity and fanboyism in your comments. Anyways, since according to you Microsoft is throwing in the towel on trying to comepete with Sony why don't you solidify your point and shut everyone up and provide the NPD numbers for xbox and ps3 sales. Just to make it interesting throw in some NPD on the top selling games for each console. Just a small caveat: Posting the information will make you seem uninformed and will show how your dislike for Microsoft makes you post erroneous and fanciful information.
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by Kwasiowusu August 12, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
I will post the fgures, since Glassner_S is too scared to post 'em.
NPD 360 versus PS3 sales since September 2008:

September 2008
360 - 347,000
PS3 - 232,000
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20697


October 2008
360 - 371,000
PS3 - 190,000
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21107

November 2008
360 - 836,000
PS3 - 378,000
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-wii-gears-of-war-2-lead-charge-to-nearly-3-billion-in-november-sales/


December 2008
360 - 1.44 million
PS3 - 726,000
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-nintendo-drives-08-industry-sales-past-21-billion-/

January 2009
360 - 309,000
PS3 - 203,200

PS3 is still in its downward spiral. It needs THE KILLZONE :)
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-nintendo-domination-continues-as-industry-racks-up-133-billion-in-

February 2009
360 - 391,000
PS3 - 276,000
Nearly 400K for 360 in February is impressive. Must be the Killzone effect.
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-wii-fit-street-fighter-iv-drive-industry-to-147-billion-in-february/


March 2009
360 - 330,000
PS3 - 218,000
The Killzone effect caused all consoles to drop.
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-march-video-game-sales-suffer-17-decline-first-quarter-flat/


April 2009
360 - 175,000
PS3 - 127,000
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23636

May 2009
360 - 175,000
PS3 - 131,000
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24014

June 2009
360 - 240,600
PS3 - 164,700
http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24470

Since September 2008 alone, the 360 has oustold the PS3 by a pretty impressive over 2 million in NPD hardware sales.
LTD, the 360 has oustold the PS3 by 7.5 million in the US alone.


The PS3 doesn't do any better when it comes to software sales either:

August 2008
1. 360 Madden NFL 09 - 1.0 million
2. PS3 Madden NFL 09 - 643,000

September 2008
1. 360 Star Wars: Force Unleashed - 610,000
3. 360 Rock Band 2 - 363,000

November 2008
1. 360 Gears of War 2 - 1.56 million
2. 360 Call of Duty: World at War - 1.41 million
6. PS3 Call of Duty: World at War - 597,000

March 2009
1. 360 Resident Evil 5 - 938K
3. 360 Halo Wars - 639K
4. PS3 Resident Evil 5 - 585K

May 2009
1. 360 UFC 2009 Undisputed - 679,600
4. PS3 UFC 2009 Undisputed - 334,400


June 2009
1. 360 Prototype - 419,900
13. PS3 Prototype - 179,210

Oops!
The PS3 gets clobbered again.
by simmondia August 12, 2009 2:48 AM PDT
I think Microsoft is interested in keeping Symbian alive,and Microsoft is getting it's mojo back with Windows 7, Natal, Bing, Office 14 (Web), but Windows Mobile is pretty lame.
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by longlivemonarchy August 12, 2009 4:49 PM PDT
s60 platform is genius, not very consumer friendly but genius, however, windows mobile is not my cup of tea!
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by amirault0 August 12, 2009 6:09 PM PDT
Windows mobile is definitely the next MS product that needs an overhauling, but it hasnt been that bad for me. Unlike all the iphone fans think, theres just as many if not more apps for windows mobile as there are for Iphone. MS just doesnt organize and dictate them like Apple. I will also be staying with windows mobile or Symbian until skyfire becomes available on iphone.
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by autobehr August 12, 2009 10:48 PM PDT
i see it this way, and it may have been said before, but i will say it again. nokia builds mobile handsets/networks/chipsets. you scratch my back, i scratch yours ;)
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by jakemilwaukee August 14, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
i have both ps3 and xbox 360. i bought the 360 because i couldnt afford a ps3, as did most people i know. once i was able to save up a little (and my big screen needed a blue-ray player) i purchased a ps3. i must say,and call it whatever you want, that the ps3 just plays better. Now you guys will quote frame rates on games and whatever other things you can do to "prove" me wrong, but im telling you ps3 is a better system. I still by the exclusives for xbox and i love them, but when it comes to games that are on both systems i chose the ps3...i dont know why, i dont have proof to support that its better, it just feels better
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by jakemilwaukee August 14, 2009 8:39 AM PDT
ps sorry for posting off topic
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