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July 23, 2009 10:11 AM PDT

AT&T chief: iPhone won't be exclusive forever

by Ina Fried
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PASADENA, Calif.--It's not realistic to believe AT&T will have an exclusive on the iPhone forever, CEO Randall Stephenson said Thursday.

"There will be a day when you are not exclusive with the iPhone," Stephenson said, speaking at Fortune's Brainstorm: Tech conference here. However, he declined to get into details on the company's negotiations with Apple.

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson at the Fortune Brainstorm conference

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson at the Fortune Brainstorm conference

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The issue of whether--and more likely when--AT&T loses the exclusive on the iPhone has become a major issue for the company and its investors.

"On balance, I think it works really, really well--maybe as well as any strategic partnership we have," Stephenson said.

Asked by Fortune's Stephanie Mehta whether he is completely satisfied with the nature of the relationship, Stephenson quipped: "I don't know if I could get my wife to say that about me, so I don't think I could say that about a business partner."

AT&T's earnings report early Thursday showed the company taking a hit from the expense of the new iPhone 3GS. "I'd like to pay less for the handset, go figure," he said.

But, he said, it's an investment that ultimately yields customers who spend more each month and who are much less likely to change cell phone service providers.

Stephenson again acknowledged issues with the quality of the company's wireless network but said that all carriers have areas with weak service.

"There's no greater cause of churn than network quality," he said, adding that "we have the lowest churn in the company's history."

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by lokigoki July 23, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
While I did enjoy using my iPhone, between AT&T's horrible network quality and incredibly poor customer service (they turned off my text messaging when I called about an issue unrelated to texting, then finally turned texting back on and turned my data off), I have to say that I'm much happier now that I've bailed to Sprint and am using the Palm Pre. It's the best ETF I've ever paid.

I'll be excited for the day the iPhone isn't tied to AT&T because a good phone should be on a network with at least decent service.
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by nt007 July 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
ATT, things have changed, could it be that the iPhone is the cause of reduction in churn. What happens when exclusivity goes away? Churn goes up. I personally can't wait.
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by Jahntassa July 23, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
Yup, i'm betting that once the iPhone goes non-exclusive AT&T will see plenty of churn. Hopefully T-Mobile is smart enough to jump on the opportunity when it comes.

Of course the problem there is that T-Mobile will have to have a 3G network rolled out and stronger than AT&T's..
by abcd9009 July 23, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
@Jahntassa

Instead of T-Mobile picking up iPhone, I am hoping Vodafone comes to its senses and forces Verizon to convert to GSM network (or LTE - compatible with GSM) soon.
by DKrudop July 23, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
Sorry, but sometimes I have to wonder how many of these customer service problems are generated by the customer's attitude in the first place. If you go into a situation with a chip on your shoulder, you're going to immediately put a rep on the defensive.
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by darcal2000 July 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
Good point. I've had nothing but excellent customer service with AT&T since getting my first iphone (first generation) and upgrading each year. I've rarely had issues with the network as well (NY Tri-State area). I guess you can always find a person with a bad experience to complain about any carrier's customer service and any network as none are perfect.
by kiltbear--2008 July 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT
DKrudop,

You can wonder all you want, but where there is smoke there is fire. Most of the Customer Service problems don't come from the reps themselves, and as you suggest, you treat them nicely, they go out of their way to help you. The problem is that AT&T is a 9-headed hydra where none of them really speak well to each other.

Listening to my co-worker who manages the phones at my company deal with the inane and byzantine situations to get simple things done. It took 3 months to port my personal phone number to our company account. Mine was one of several lost in that miasma. Others went over in a matter of days.

Folks like Verizon can do this in a matter of HOURS!
by Thomas, David July 23, 2009 4:49 PM PDT
Truth be told ... the problems with AT&T customer service are real. Every company has them, but AT&T has always had them WITH an attitude. Not the customers. Customers calling with chips on their shoulders everyday for whatever reason, are the norm through the customer service industry. AT&T earned their rap.
by blusky08 July 25, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
Having previously had Cingular the customer service experience is now vastly different. Cingular was always relaxed, fair, helpful and easy to deal with. IMO, AT&T is difficult to deal with in every way--both over the phone and in-store. They come across as completely impersonal with the attitude that "If you don't like it go somewhere else". Everything they offer is excessively expensive--really, shouldn't the so-called "Smart Limits" be free? Shouldn't AT&T Navigator service actually cost less than buying a dedicated GPS every six months? And their phones are generally so loaded with marketing one has to think twice before pressing anything--how much have they made from poor unfortunates accidentally downloading some sample video, connecting to the Internet, etc., at an exorbitant $.01/kb?

As for actual coverage (the truly annoying dropped calls aside) they are at least as good as any other mobile company. For what it's worth, everyone I've asked who has had multiple services and travels with some frequency has told me they prefer AT&T.
by Lerianis3 July 26, 2009 4:43 AM PDT
DKrudop, most people go into the thing without a chip on their shoulder. It's only after being told to do NUMEROUS things that are common sense and which the customer has already done that they start to get a little pissy at the service rep.
AT&T's customer service and quaility right now is HORRIBLE, period and done with. I mean, I am in an area where I should be getting exceptional service, yet in my home I can get NO phone signal or very little, maybe one bar.
by AluminumMonster July 23, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
Please end this horrible agreement so i can switch to a carrier that actually lets me complete a call.
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by Perry_Clease July 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
You have AT&T service, but have never completed a call? How long have you had this service?
by Splashes July 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
Now, now -- let him explore the limits of hyperbole in peace.
by Renegade Knight July 23, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
@Splashes

Ok, that comment was perfect.
by Splashes July 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
It will be interesting to see what happens, but I'm not about to try and predict how soon Apple ends the exclusive with AT&T. If Apple wants to go with Verizon, that means a CDMA version of the hardware, which is a step backwards technology-wise, complicates inventory, and would likely result in lower subsidies. But if they don't, they strangle growth in the US.

On the surface, sticking with AT&T seems a more natural fit with Apple's way of doing things ("we're happy making products for a percentage of the market, don't care about making everyone happy, this keeps it simple"). But they might surprise me.

Another factor: given Verizon's approach to their own app store, I'm not so sure they would agree to give Apple complete control over the pipe, as AT&T has.

I hope the exclusivity does end soon, so the network isn't the reason people choose one phone over the other. But I'm not holding my breath.
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by Renegade Knight July 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
CDMA is a step forward. GSM isn't automaticly "better". It's just more pervasive. Personally CDMA with Sim Cards would have been nice.

However at the end of the day, I want to buy my phone from my phone vendor and then pick whatever company has the best service for my needs. We don't live in that world becasue the FCC botched wireless.
by mzahran86 July 27, 2009 2:49 AM PDT
What I always wonder is why people always over look T-Mobile as a possible iPhone carrier. I mean it is the only other one at the moment that can support it in the US. It would be a simple fix to allow the iPhone to connect to T-Mobiles 3G frequency. I was on them before I switched to AT&T for the iPhone 3G, and from y experience they were a great company. Their plans are a lot cheaper, customer service was pretty good, never had any issues with dropped calls (in all honesty, I didnt really know what dropped calls were until I switched to AT&T), and coverage was pretty good. Now I know their 3G footprint isnt as large as other carriers, but Im sure its in most of the significant markets, and I could def sacrifice some 3G for better everything else.

I personally dont really like the idea of Verizon with an iPhone, although it would be a step forward. In many aspects they are just as bad or worse than AT&T. They have high prices, bad customer service, and restrictive practices. If Verizon was my only other option, I would probably stick with AT&T and save myself from paying an ETF to switch to another greedy corporation.

Ideally, I would love the iPhone to be unlocked and sold on any carrier (on a GSM network at least). I dont see why carriers couldnt continue subsidizing phones in return for 2 year contracts without having to have an exclusivity deal. I mean the whole point of subsidizing a phone is to lock people in to contracts, which is fine. So instead of competing by getting exclusive contracts for phones in order to sell these contracts, these carriers should be competing based on the price they are willing to subsidize these handsets or how much better the services they offer are. It would definitely be a way better situation for consumers, and I seriously hope that the DOJ inquiry will lead to the banning of this anti-competitive practice of exclusivity agreements. I mean if the we were to believe the carriers that these exclusivity agreements actually benefit the consumer and make the marketplace more competitive, then can someone explain to me why the US lags behind most of the world (even developing countries) in wireless technology, and why we pay more for this garbage???
by Vegaman_Dan July 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
Based on comments here and the general opinion that AT&T has garnered for itself over the years of the iPhone, it would appear the moment that the device is available on another carrier that there will be a mass exodus from AT&T to the other carrier.

It's been long said the biggest roadblock to the iPhone from realizing all of its potential has been its connection to AT&T.

Suppose it happens- say Verizon or Sprint gets the iPhone and the service *still* is poor. It could be completely unrelated to the phone itself and be just Cellular Service Provider issues, but will the general public be smart enough to know that? Will they know it's the CSP and not the device itself? That could be dangerous to Apple as well.
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by Splashes July 23, 2009 11:27 AM PDT
That's just as "dangerous" to every other phone manufacturer. You sound like you're try to gin up another of your many phony doom-and-gloom scenarios for Apple.

The fact is, AT&T coverage is very good in some places, not good in others. Verizon coverage is very good in some places, not good in others. Ending the exclusive will allow people to choose, and result in a greater number of satisfied customers. That is, of course, assuming Verizon gives Apple the same control over the pipe that AT&T did, and I'm not sure that's a safe assumption. Back in 2006, Apple offered Verizon the exclusive, and they turned it down, primarily because they wouldn't give up control over the pipe -- so Apple turned to Cingular, which was bought by AT&T. Nobody knows whether Verizon is any more willing today to give up control of the pipe. They seem to be almost as arrogant as Apple, but without a trump in their hand.
by Vegaman_Dan July 23, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
@Splashes:

What is the #1 complaint about the iPhone currently? The carrier.

If we have another carrier offering it, how many will flee to that new service, even though it may be just as bad? Apple wins, AT&T does not.

Then, after people discover that new carrier isn't any better (because overall, cell providers are rather poor), people may mistakenly blame the phone for issue and not the carrier. Carriers: pass, Apple loses.

I didn't say it was fair, only one very real possible scenario.

Mind you, I plan on buying an iPhone shortly myself from AT&T- my Touch's screen just cracked. :/
by make_or_break July 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
Splashes: Minor correction; Cingular was NOT bought by AT&T. Cingular was already owned by SBC and BellSouth and actually bought the old AT&T Wireless and absorbed it into the Cingular brand.

In the meantime, SBC being the biggest and healthiest of the Baby Bells then went and bought the old AT&T (the long distance company and former parent, and separate from old AT&T Wireless which it spun off several years before) and Cingular-partner BellSouth, then SBC rebranded its new, bigger self as "the new AT&T". It then took its Cingular subsidiary and rebranded that to the AT&T name (AT&T Mobility, I think) to connect the proverbial corporate identity dots. All of this enterprise incest took place before the iPhone and Apple showed up on the scene.

The point being that any quality problems with the current AT&T Mobility had to spawn from the old Cingular group. Those guys may have changed names, but they NEVER lost their authority or control over the wireless side of the "new AT&T" house.
by blusky08 July 26, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
"Then, after people discover that new carrier isn't any better (because overall, cell providers are rather poor), people may mistakenly blame the phone for issue and not the carrier".

Right. The issues are not with the carrier's actual signal service. Though each person may find he or she has better service with one carrier in a paticular area. IMO the complaints about AT&T are mostly related to company image, the way they operate business. It was the wrong move to assume the AT&T name in the Cingular merging.
by turnkit July 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
AT&T won't have a monopoly on iPhone service forever, which is why I have hope I'll someday not be so concerned about dead zones.

AT&T was notorious when I lived in Los Angeles for many spots on the major freeways where calls would ALWAYS drop. They just did not have coverage.

I've spots in Tucson where I am now in urban busy areas where I don't have coverage and where coverage is very very weak.

When I lived in Arcata (Northern California) AT&T would give me full bars but then drop from full bars to nothing and hang up ALWAYS from my home -- i.e. I could not expect a 10 minute+ call to ever work.

In East Texas where I lived I would have twenty minute calls where the signal would start at three bars and with me not moving, would regularly drop to zero bars and hang up.

These were different handsets. Eventually I got another carrier... but am now back due to the iPhone.

Don't expect me to stay with AT&T. Too little confidence in their network.
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by JonM2day July 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
Do they keep running you out of town?
by mzahran86 July 27, 2009 2:55 AM PDT
LOL @ JonM2day ... for real but i dont blame him tho. AT&T will do that to ya lol
by MyRightEye July 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
Owned an iPhone from day 2. Day 1 I was in the rockies camping. The day Verizon gets the iPhone is the day I am switching. Unless I'm in the rockies, camping.
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by jpam1966 July 23, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
all this crap about "churn" pisses me off. of course customer turnover rate goes down when the carrier has a monopoly on the iphone market (duh). and coupled with the fact that the only other choice is to essentially make your iphone into an ipod touch and eat the difference in cost. at&t customers have my sympathy. the huddled masses are yearning to breathe free.
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by AluminumMonster July 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
I have had ATT since last year, and in my area my brower speeds are terrible, and i frequently get dropped calls. Obviously i was exaggurating, but still the service isnt great at all in my area. Detroit, Mi.
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by crackizzle July 27, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
I live in Southeastern Michigan, in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area, and have much, much better signal than anyone I know. I average 1.2 Mbps on 3G, and about 180 Kbps on EDGE. At my parents, 20 minutes south of Ann Arbor, there is NO Verizon signal, NO Alltel service, and subpar T-Mobile signal, where I have 5 bars. Additionally, at my Fathers in Grand Rapids, I have an unwavering 5 bars. I know of no completely dead areas in the state, even in the Upper Penninsula. So I think, you must be someone who is not satisfied even with the best of services.
by k9jdk July 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT
ATT wireless service fine here. Here = Chicagoland

Like U-verse too.
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by CDubber July 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
All carriers suck, but it will be nice to have a choice if the iPhone is your preferred gadget.
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by scout_lilbit July 24, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
"All carriers suck, but it will be nice to have a choice if the iPhone is your preferred gadget."

Probably the most accurate statement here. Each carrier has pros & cons - options are a good thing.
by myles taylor July 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
I'm switching from AT&T as soon as someone else gets the iPhone. I'm curious to see how many customers they bleed customers once that happens.
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by TK-68- July 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT
I believe the only reason so many people are with ATT is because of iphone. The voice network is truly horrible compared to Verizon (in my opinion). I was with Verizon for many years and rarely found a spot where I didn't have coverage. With ATT, it's very common. With ATT, I get multiple dropped calls daily. Extremely rare with Verizon. If it weren't for iphone, I would be with Verizon for sure.

In reference to the comment about customer service. I can't remember ever calling customer service when I wasn't agitated due to a problem. I think that is reasonable and to be expected by those in the customer service industry. Especially when your company's service is so poor.
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by Splashes July 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
I can't help but think that the reportedly huge subsidy AT&T is paying Apple ($300-$400 per iPhone) is basically a bribe to keep Apple from jumping ship, because AT&T knows that half their customers will leave if Verizon joins the game. Given that AT&T is counting on long-term revenue to compensate for the short-term subsidy payouts, they could end up losing a lot of money.

If the huge subsidy is the only reason Apple is sticking with AT&T (and that's a big 'if'), it's an extremely short-sighted decision. But I tend to think that there's more to the story -- for instance, maybe Verizon is playing hardball, or maybe there are issues with CDMA we don't know about.

Seems to me that Apple would be better off settling for the lower subsidies that would come from non-exclusivity, and make it up in volume.
by contentcreator--2008 July 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT
Splashes, you realize you're talking about Apple, right? Apple has never settled for lower prices and higher volume. Their whole concept is higher prices and lower volume. They knew they were going to sell as many phones as they could make, so they set up an exclusive deal with AT&T to wring out more money without making the customer price so high customers would balk. It's not a bribe by AT&T to Apple for Apple to keep AT&T, it was Apple grabbing as much as they could from AT&T for AT&T's privilege of offering the iPhone. AT&T has bundled the cost of the subsidy into the contract so if people jump, AT&T doesn't take a bath. If the exclusivity ends, look for very high non-contract prices, coupled with subsidized prices from the telcos featuring high monthly rates and long minimum term just as they do now. Consumers have consistently shown they will take the lower purchase cost and higher monthly rate and lock-in.
by atomD21 July 23, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
If you look back into history just a bit, Verizon was Apple's choice of carrier, but the big V wouldn't give Apple the control over their device that they wanted (big surprise...), so Apple went to the next one on the list and AT&T was only too happy to bring them on board.
by make_or_break July 25, 2009 3:59 PM PDT
contentcreator: that may be true with computers, but all you have to do is look at what they did with DAPs to see what their current strategy is. iPods rule the roost, and provide a huge user base to continually mine via the iTunes Music Store. The same is true with the iPhone; the MORE subscribers there are, the more money there is to make each month, courtesy of the percentage of all of those iPhone monthly bills that AT&T funnels back to Apple, along with all of that revenue from those apps that Apple directly sells.

Even if Apple was perfectly happy with their arrangement with AT&T, it stands to reason that in order to fully take advantage of all market possibilities for their iPhone franchise they need to have their phones available to multiple carriers. They see that there are potential buyers that simply WON'T buy iPhones because they're limited to AT&T as a carrier option. That's significant profit potential that they're cutting themselves off from. It's not the churn that matters, but the expansion of the consumer base that most important, both for market control and for happy shareholders.

In the reality of the corporate universe, it IS all about the Benjamins. Even Cupertino isn't immune to that.
by mrjetsondc July 23, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
ATT service is horrible. I can't believe I left Verizon for this garbage. Love the iphone for the most part, but ATT is terrible. I dont care about customer service bc i never call for anything, but I expect better phone service.

On another note, how did we all get so pathetically tethered to our cell phones? We are everything we dreaded we would become- automatons who dress alike, look alike, and now even carry the same things in our pockets- cell phones, smartphones, and prob even the same brand of condoms.
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by crackizzle July 27, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
In all honesty, studies show that AT&T is by far the most loaded network, with users using upwards of 400 MBs of data a month, compared to less than 40 on most other networks. this leads to a poorer experience, but it would be no better on another network, which is why no network claims they would be any better with the iPhone than AT&T.
by mrjetsondc July 23, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
ATT service is horrible. I can't believe I left Verizon for this garbage. Love the iphone for the most part, but ATT is terrible. I dont care about customer service bc i never call for anything, but I expect better phone service.

On another note, how did we all get so pathetically tethered to our cell phones? We are everything we dreaded we would become- automatons who dress alike, look alike, and now even carry the same things in our pockets- cell phones, smartphones, and prob even the same brand of condoms.
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by RompStar_420 July 23, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
I was with Verizon for a long time and their customer service was horrible and still is, management down there must have like, ummm, wax in their ears or they are extremely stubborn, which is even worse!

I am with AT&T right now, but my crackberry don't have a data service, because it's like $50 bucks and I already pay comcast $50 bucks for internet, I am not going to pay this again. I heard that the iPhone gets a special data plan, we shall see :- ) maybe on a family plan, you save money!

I've never been with Sprint (but my friend has it and likes it) and I never been with T-Mobile, (but my friends works there as a router guy) and he tells me that T-Mobile expects loyalty from their employees and they work them like Microsoft, but they do have the G1 and G2, which on one else has.

So we shall see!

The iPhone is sweet, can't wait to switch to that.
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by stigmattaman July 23, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Excellent thoughts @splashes. Verizon's been making lots of noises about opening up there networks, and I'll see it to believe it. And the truth is, no U.S. network is really ready for the demand a data-hungry device like the iPhone requires.
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by Appleiphonefan July 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT
If AT&T's iPhone exclusivity ends, Then what could AT&T do to stay in business? AT&T's 2012 doomsday? What if Verizon doesn't permit wi-fi on their phones. 3G sucks anyways especially when you are watching youtube videos. I checked the verizon website if they imform you about wi-fi, they don't [ only if you wanted to pick wi-fi as any feature] Wi Fi is better. AT&T's website lets you see any feature like wi-fi. I imagine that if the iPhone was on a verizon commercial it pretty sounds ****. I also feel right that the iPhone should be on AT&T naturally and the Palm Pre on Sprint. But Sprint only keeps it as an exclusivity for several month. Every Carrier's exclusive is a ticking time of the end of the world, Screw that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by atomD21 July 23, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
what? Does anyone know if Google can translate comments?
by handicappedpets July 23, 2009 12:34 PM PDT
I LOVE my Iphone and I find ATT service to be 'adequate' but will not upgrade to the 3GS until they implement TETHERING - the ability to connect my computer to the internet through my cellphone. Tethering ability is built into the IPhone but ATT won't turn it on in the US. The reason I will not upgrade is that if another company offers the IPhone and turns on the tethering, I'm jumping and I don't want to be in a 2 year contract.
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by codynews July 23, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
handi: What's funny is I'm teathering RIGHT NOW. You can tether on the iphone. Mine isn't even jailbroken. I installed a small simple app that added it as an option:

http://img229.imageshack.us/i/img1264.png/

Works great
by codynews July 23, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
Oh, and I have the regular 3G (not S). Not sure why people think you can't tether.
by ZeTron57 July 24, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
@ cody news - have you got your data bill yet??
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