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July 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT

Microsoft finalizes Windows 7

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft on Wednesday said it has finalized the code for Windows 7, paving the way for the new operating system to make its way onto retail shelves and new PCs in time for its October 22 launch.

The software maker is hoping the response to the new operating system differs from the lukewarm reviews and compatibility challenges that marked the release of Windows Vista, which hit the market in January 2007. In contrast to Vista, Windows 7 has been marked by the company consistently hitting its deadlines and receiving largely positive feedback along the way.

"That is our final engineering milestone in what has been a three-year journey," said Mike Angiulo, general manager for planning in the Windows unit.

Windows 7 relies on the same underpinnings as Windows Vista, but adds a lot of features aimed at making the operating system both look and perform better.

Visually, it does a better job of managing open windows through an improved taskbar and a feature that lets users peek at one particular window or see the desktop that is hidden below all of the windows. On the performance side, it boots up and shuts down faster, and can run better on Netbooks and low-end machines.

Whereas Vista suffered several delays and saw its feature set change significantly in the years it was being developed and tested, Windows 7 looks very similar to the early developer preview version first shown at last October's professional developer conference.

"It feels great to be here on time," said Tami Reller, the Windows unit's chief financial officer, who recently added marketing responsibility for Windows as well.

Microsoft plans to offer Windows 7 in a number of different versions ranging from a low-end "starter edition" to an ultra-high-end "ultimate version." However, it expects most people in the U.S. and other developed markets to run either the Home Premium or Professional editions.

The company has been conservative in talking publicly about the product, waiting until features or dates were largely set in stone before discussing them widely.

Things were also fairly calm in the "shiproom"--the conference room inside Microsoft's Redmond headquarters where the Windows team meets to discuss outstanding bugs and issues before executives ultimately sign off on that the code is final.

(Credit: Microsoft)

With Vista--which was a more major update to Windows--it was a place of contentious debates up to the last minute about which issues needed to be fixed and which could be addressed later.

"When you are going through the end game, sometimes it is really bumpy; sometimes it is not," Angiulo said. "It's been really mellow this time."

Microsoft hasn't changed the code for Windows 7 since July 13, with much of the past 10 days spent just waiting to make sure long-term testing turned up no significant issues.

"After we produce a build, all the different teams will go through their test path," said Iain MacDonald, the general manager of the Windows Server unit. Microsoft also on Wednesday finalized the server version of Windows 7--a modest update known as Windows Server 2008 R2.

The actual build that Microsoft is using as the final one--build 7600.16385--has already leaked to the Web--several days ahead of Microsoft's confirmation that it was, in fact, the final version.

One of the last notable changes to Windows 7 was the incorporation of changes that were made to Windows as part of the last monthly "Patch Tuesday" bug fixes.

Angiulo said closer cooperation with computer makers, as well as the predictable schedule, has meant that a wide variety of new PCs should be ready to launch with Windows 7 in October.

"The (PC makers) have been working on a variety of systems--super-amazing thin and mobile systems," he said. "They are also working on really inexpensive low-end machines and all-in-ones.

Microsoft is also hoping, particularly since the underpinnings are similar to Vista, that users won't find the same sorts of compatibility issues that cropped up when that operating system first hit the market.

The entire PC ecosystem--from retailers like Best Buy to computer and hardware makers--are all hoping that Windows 7 can provide a boost to what has been a rough year.

"Our customers are very excited about Windows 7," Dell's Jim Ginger said. "We know because they tell us."

Update: Here's a video from Microsoft of the formal sign-off at Redmond.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.


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by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/07/21/when-will-you-get-windows-7-rtm.aspx

According to that, Windows 7 should be out for MSDN/OEM/TechNet in early August, and October 1st for everyone else.

(I'm betting there's a lot of folks in Redmond who are grateful for Moore's Law right about now... :) )
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by JasonCe July 22, 2009 2:24 PM PDT
Windows 7 is _THE_ _BEST_ _OPERATING_ _SYSTEM_ _EVER_ !!!

I've been using it since Beta and it is rock-solid. Performance, usability, compatilibity all excellent! A great release, probably the best Windows release ever.
by empirestatebuddy July 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
I agree. I have a feeling that consumers will get Win7 about a month early--right around the time that Snow Leopard launches.
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
Wow, Jason - try not to wet your pants, mm'kay?
by lennie22 July 22, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
I think telling him that is a little too late........I have to go take a shower now too.....
by Orion Blastar July 22, 2009 1:56 PM PDT
I can wait until October.

Why wait?

Because the people who jump on the RTM version will obviously face exploits and bugs that Microsoft will eventually fix by October via Windows Update. By the time my "upgrade" version of Windows 7 arrives, I'll be able to run Windows updates and get the patches and bug fixes to avoid those sorts of problems.

I assume the Technet and MSDN subscriptions will be able to download a Windows 7 RTM version ISO or get the DVDs mailed to them as part of their subscription.

Meanwhile I'll use the Windows 7 beta to see how compatible various programs are with Windows 7, but mostly the web applications.
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by airhead190 July 23, 2009 9:51 PM PDT
i can wait till october as well. and theres no way in hell im going to be getting windows 7 in any way shape or form aside from buying it 100% legally. this OS is going to decide how my computer will run and frankly im probably going to wait for october 2010. theres no incentive to get 7 now and i can just look at it on computers at bestbuy and stuff
by dungfilter July 22, 2009 2:04 PM PDT
Enter Apple fanboys now......
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by bananaphonerules July 22, 2009 2:18 PM PDT
Settle big fella. Negative comments beget negative comments?
by cs2cdfan July 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT
Wait, you didn't know? Windows 7 is Apple proof.

Buh Bye mocha shop crew.
by dusten1 July 23, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
microsoft back in the 2001 help apple and bill gates help apple out bill gates owns haft of apple so get your facts right tack the back of an i phone off and look it will say microsoft microsoft got apple out of debt AND GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
by dusten1 July 23, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
microsoft back in the 2001 help apple and bill gates help apple out bill gates owns haft of apple so get your facts right tack the back of an i phone off and look it will say microsoft microsoft got apple out of debt AND GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
by SilentSkies2889 July 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium x64 (6.1.7600.16385) RTM right now, and all I got to say is, "Best.Operating.System.EVER! *The Comic Book Guy*". EVERYTHING INSTALLS DURING SETUP! with the exception of Intel Matrix/Chipset drivers. FAST bootup/shutdown. Extremely polished OS compared to Vista SP1/SP2 even though Vista has never ever given me problems in my year and half of usage. Everyone should give Windows 7 x64 a chance :). Oh, get x64, lets make x86 die already! I'm tired of relying on x86 software.
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by lennie22 July 22, 2009 2:20 PM PDT
um....that's not RTM....RTM is not out yet....that build is most likely a fake, had you run any sort of anti-virus on it? have you checked the running processes to make sure they are all legit? have you checked your logs to see if there's anything suspicious going on?
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:29 PM PDT
Wow - nice trojan install you got there. P2P much?
by SilentSkies2889 July 22, 2009 3:48 PM PDT
It is not a fake, I got it off www.wzor.net, go to www.sevenforums.com for a mass of geeks. it is 16385 with 16384 boot loader files since the 385 files were split from a original ISO since it originated from China.
by SilentSkies2889 July 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
It is not even activated, I'm just waiting for my preordered 7 DVD to arrive in mail on October 22nd, but for the time being, I'll be using the "rearm" trick which will make my installation last 120 or so days instead of the usual 30.
by lennie22 July 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
"It is not even activated", that has nothing to do with it, how do you know they didn't preinstall things on it and hid the files and folders? I hope you don't upgrade from that, but use a legitimate build when your order comes in. the trust is you have no clue if it's real or fake (fake being that they put some sort of trogan or botnet files in that build)...it really doesn't matter where you get it unless it's directly from msft. msft hasn't released any hash for those builds so you won't know if they were assembled or not in the same way how you can make a ROM for your phone.

you might think: I don't put any important files on this computer anyway so it doesn't matter, but the fact is it does matter because the same pasword you use for that computer is mostly the same password you're gonna use when you get your win7 order and install it, and that password might be the same password you use for all your other important things.....I would say go read up on what botnets are and their dangers, it's not about stealing your files or your ssn anymore. be smart, don't be a part of the problem. in the end, it's all up to you.
by SilentSkies2889 July 22, 2009 5:51 PM PDT
I appreciate you concern but I am a hardcore PC geek and know what I'm getting into, if you've been following the entire development of Windows 7 you would actually know and trust Wzor.net because they have been correct about everything and even announced the RTM 1 week ago and it confirms TODAY it is REAL. I've used 7000, 7057, 7100, 7127, 7133, 7260, 7264, 7600-16384 and now the FINAL 16385 for 4 days now. It is as real as it can get.
by jake3373 July 22, 2009 6:21 PM PDT
I still don't agree, and I am happy with my RC build downloaded from microsoft.com - Remember the botnet last time?
by SilentSkies2889 July 22, 2009 6:29 PM PDT
Don't know anything about the botnet because I'm part of a loyal Windows 7 forum and we know what we are doing. Only noobs download stuff on P2P and don't know what they're getting.
by Random_Walk July 23, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
"...and we know what we are doing"

Obviously you do not, else you would have never confessed to having downloaded and run either a pirated leak-copy of RTM (which currently doesn't legally exist outside of Microsoft), or are running a trojaned-to-hell copy of the RC dressed-up as an RTM release.
by SilentSkies2889 July 23, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
You've obviously never heard of www.sevenforums.com... or Wzor or Sukona...
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by AluminumMonster July 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
I love the RC, and cannot wait for it to ship, and the new DX11 cards to roll out.
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by July 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT
alittle off topic... do u guys notice that .. google chrome rather the who company colors are the same as MS.. red green blue
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by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:30 PM PDT
Windows last I checked had four colors on their logo ;)
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT
Last I checked the Chrome logo has four colors

Blue center , yellow, red , green sides.
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
Check harder (notice the logo on http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10293207-2.html ).
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 4:03 PM PDT
d'oh! forgot the middle button. Pfft!
by lennie22 July 22, 2009 4:44 PM PDT
yeah, I've noticed that a long time now. and I wonder why did they do that.....their google logo has the same color as msft windows. when google first came about, I think msft was huge and sucessfull...so for them to use the same colors I think they wanted some of that sucess to rubb off on them too.....(just my far out guess)
by Timetogetill7 July 22, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
It has nothing to do with Microsoft...its behind a philosophy both companies use. Look it up.
by Seaspray0 July 23, 2009 8:43 AM PDT
So all along, it was the colors of the logo that determines if it will be successful. I should have realized this sooner. How could I have overlooked something that important?
by AppleSuxLeo July 22, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
This guy did a very good presentation. He deserves a raise.
7 looks awesome. Can`t wait !
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by shellcodes_coder July 22, 2009 10:22 PM PDT
Yup, that's true. Windows 7 will rule!! I see the future :)
by Sir0sx July 23, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
@shellcodes

In your dreams pedro in your dreams......
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT
While the code is finalized, the DVD / OS installations are not. There may yet be more things added or modified for the various installation methods.
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by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:31 PM PDT
...you mean they haven't packed all the DRM in yet?

(heh - I had to.)
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:38 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

Atleast I can install it on the machine I want...

BIO's checks that OSX use is a form of drm as well...
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT
"Atleast I can install it on the machine I want..."

...exactly once. ;)
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:56 PM PDT
Ey Apple's several hundred dollar premium makes up more then enough for them to allow you to install it on multiple machines ;)
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
It only cost me $120 for Leopard, which I installed on my Hackintosh just fine. I can happily install it on my next mobo/CPU/drive combo as well when I feel like upgrading this one.

Linux I can just burn off copies and pass around.
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

Hackintoshes don't count. Remember this is average consumer...
by lennie22 July 22, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
good for you random....come, everybody give him a clap
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
I'd rather not get the Clap, thanks... :/

re: "Hackintoshes don't count"

Why not? They exist, they work... just ask your buddy Vegaman Dan, who claims to have one.
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 5:15 PM PDT
@Random_Walk:

"It only cost me $120 for Leopard, which I installed on my Hackintosh just fine."

IKeep in mind that you cannot legally install that product on the Hackintosh. You are violating the EULA set by Apple and are now engaged in criminal activities. I learned my lesson and no longer have a Hackintosh. I bought my MacBookPro and I'm happy with it.

Do you illegally have OS X installed on a non-Apple product? I'm not sure you really want to admit to such things here on CNET as that is a violation of the terms of service.
by monster_eater123 July 22, 2009 9:38 PM PDT
No, Apple tried to sue a guy for a Hackintosh and the guy got away with it because the Eula states that you can only install it on Apple labeled products. He had an apple sticker logo on his PC and that is how he got through the loop-hole. His machine was Technically Apple Labeled. Unless they have fixed their Eula it is perfectly safe as long as your machine is Apple labeled.
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by guest86 July 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT
Windows 7 look awesome, I want go to Staples or Office Depot or Wal-Mart store then play Window 7 on computers for few hours on October. I think need wait get Windows 7 Service Pack 2 will be great unlike XP.
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by Michichael July 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
I'm hoping that somebody gets some kind of promisary estopple or false advertising lawsuit going against Microsoft for the Vista Ultimate debacle. I bought ultimate on the promise of access to lots of features and content that are not available to home premium and business. What I've gotten is MS Tinker. Whoopdie freaking do - it's not even useful or relevant. That's what I paid extra for? A single release? And now they're abandoning Vista entirely for Vista 2.0?

Windows 7 *IS* vista with a different configuration that can be obtained with a few hours of tweaking! What the hell man...
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by ace10134 July 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
It's all cuz the news writers bashed Vista. Now Microsoft has to sell a *new* operating system, called "7", just to clear the bad press.

Thaks a lot, news writers in general.
by jessiethe3rd July 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT
Honestly... you bought it and you are complaining about it? You actually went to the store, looked at the box, looked at the features, maybe read online and you bought it... where you expecting some magical extra content to appear? Was there something inside that said, yeah, I'm going to spend my money because ???

As far as 7 vs Vista goes... oh, I didn't know Vista has the ability to run a XP VM natively... was that some tweaking? I am sorry, what registry hack was that for aero peek? Oh... the renewed messaging system that tells you about the status of your machine, updates... where was that? I didn't know about that registry tweak. I forgot - could you tell me how I do window resizing by moving to the edge of the screen... I looked alll over for it in my latest tweaking guides... didn't see it???

Thanks - looking forward to all your tweaking answers!
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 5:17 PM PDT
What is MS Tinker? You said you purchased Vista Ultimate. Did you look at the box? Did you buy it from a real store or did you buy it from some guy's van down by the river?

I'm sorry, but I just don't really buy it.
by Sir0sx July 23, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
if you truly follow micro-snot products like i did before i woke up and took a bite out of the forbidden fruit
then you would have known that windows always releases a lemon OS in between good OS's so it should come as no surprise that vista was crap watch and follow the trends history always repeats itself Windows 7 will make up for what vista wasn't but don't get it twisted it will have it's problems till SP1 maybe even SP2 for it comes out

It's not the second coming of christ by no means
by RMarch July 24, 2009 1:46 AM PDT
Let me state I think Vista was a very good operating system. Given me no issues in nearly three years of use. Having said this, MS did mess up the Ultimate Extras. I needed Ultimate for very different reasons than the Extras, but even Gates admitted at one point that it did not really work out.

MS Tinker is a little robot game where a robot walks around a little maze pushing stuff around. Looks like a little flash game. This was delivered via Ultimate extras. Really very sad.
by McKrush July 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
I went from Windows XP to WIndows 7. I liked the RC so much I preordered it for October. Only complaint is that I had to get 3rd party software to capture video from my DV camera and Windows Movie Maker is no longer included. I swear, all my older programs and games seem to run better though.
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by Lennron July 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT
Movie Maker and several other programs don't come standard with Windows 7 because of infrequent use. You can download them for free with Windows Live Essentials though.
by lennie22 July 22, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
no lennron, movie maker, mail, messenger and others didn't come with Win7 because it could be a point of weakness where msft could be sued for "anti-competitive" behavior like the EU is suing them now for including IE in the OS. so snip it in the butt, take them out and offer them as download.

so McKrush, if you want them you can go to windowslive.com and download windows live essentials or just the ones you want and there you go. I use live mail as my home mail app and RSS reader...it does a good job
by Lennron July 22, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
Either way, you can download them for free. Just curious though. Why did they remove the Live programs from the Windows 7 version that they're selling in the uninted states if they're just worried about the EU? They didn't remove IE from our version.
by ldmalaviya July 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT
Read about the new wonder from Blue Screen, manufacturer of ALL Windows products! Would like to know, if Window's 7 also is a product of the same Blue Screen!
Will any one care to clarify?
ldmalaviya.gmail.com
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by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
I challenge you to find a Vista user who has had a true bsod they are rarer then kernel panics.
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 3:32 PM PDT
http://images.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=vista%20blue%20screen&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
by Mark_Anderson July 22, 2009 3:38 PM PDT
That's nice, Random. Got any from mid 2008 onwards after SP1 and the driver updates fixed those issues?

No? Oh well.
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

I said they were rarer than kernel panics almost every time Vista recovers without affecting the end user.

Every BSOD i've seen has also been the result of failing hardware or shoddy drivers -cough-nvidia-cough-
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT
"Got any from mid 2008 onwards after SP1 and the driver updates fixed those issues?"

Here you go, Oh True Scotsman - the results of less than five minutes' looking:

http://www.vistax64.com/general-discussion/226630-vista-x64-bsod-irql_not_less_or_equal-minidump-included.html
http://www.myps3.com.au/Post.aspx?id=4783&p=10
http://www.vistabluescreen.com/node/28
http://allajunaki.wordpress.com/2009/04/11/vista-bsod/

...but instead of being partisan fanboys, how about I quote from this one:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/blue_screen_survival_guide?page=0%2C0

"I Run Vista, so I'm Immune to BSODs, Right?

Unfortunately, no. A common misconception is that blue screens don't even exist in Vista, but not only are they still there, but we're here to tell you we've seen them first hand. "

Note that all links satisfy even your restrictive requirements.

So... if "kernel panics" (heh) are even more common, then Vista must really be worse off than I thought...
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT
@Random_Walk

"The good news is Microsoft put a lot of work into how Vista handles critical errors and other glitches that in previous OSes would cause a system crash. Most of the time, if a problem occurs, Vista will attempt to fix the problem without any interruption. For example, if your videocard crashes, you may see a messge saying "Display driver stopped responding and has recovered." In XP and previous OSes, this almost always would have resulted in a system crash."

As I stated Windows Vista recovers most of the time.

I didn't say they didn't exist but they rarely happen for someone who doesn't use it apparently you sure seem to like to pass judgement on how it works.
by ace10134 July 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT
Most blue screens of death are a result of HARDWARE problems. Microsoft can't do a thing about that. So stop complaining.
by jessiethe3rd July 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
@Random_Walk
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kernal+panic&form=QBIR&qs=n#
(notice how clean and concise that was...FYI)
by BingItOn July 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
@Radom_walk

have you seen this MAC BSOD
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&um=1&sa=1&q=MAC+BSOD&aq=f&oq=
by Random_Walk July 22, 2009 5:05 PM PDT
Yep - Macs get "BSODs" too - I had exactly one in the five years I've owned my dual G5 (same OS version and install for 99% of the time - was farting around in XTools sometime in 2005, and did a stupid with it... race conditions are fun!)

But fact is, your buddy claimed that they never happened. I showed him that they did. Then his buddy claimed they never happened after 2008. I showed him as well where those happen. Meanwhile, the whole Microsoft cheerleading squad is happily falling deeper and deeper into logical fallacy to prevent having to own up to the BSOD-on-Vista phenomenon that, yes, does occur. (hint: There's a reason why I called Mr. Anderson a "True Scotsman" up there... ;) ).

re: "Most blue screens of death are a result of HARDWARE problems."

I'm sure that a lot of them are. OTOH, isn't that what the WHQL program is designed to prevent? You'd think a big OEM like HP (as one example from the link pile) would have figured out how to participate in such a program by now, yes? Since Microsoft certifies hardware configs and drivers from (especially) OEMs, well QED, it's something Microsoft could have done something about in that one instance.


re: "(notice how clean and concise that was...FYI)"

...but nowhere near as comprehensive or complete. Meh, I'll stick with using Google, thanks. cut+paste works fine here.
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by awilensky July 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT
Same old crap ware, different package.
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by Kwasiowusu July 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
@ by awilensky :"Same old crap ware, different package"

Same old idiotic, mindless Apple crazies, different names.
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
Same old trolls same package.
by ckurowic July 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
I like how the Windows fanboys automatically assume awilensky is an Apple fanboy. Man you are just like Obama supporters....
by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
@ckurowic

"Same old crap ware, different package."

I know right cause that is obviously not a trolling post?
by myles taylor July 23, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
@monkeyfun14 I think what ckurowic was saying was just because he is trolling about Microsoft doesn't make him an Apple fan. I was thinking the same thing.
by Sir0sx July 23, 2009 9:02 AM PDT
LMAO it's funny how everybody reply'd to awilensky and jump on him being a mac fan boy when he didn't even mention "Apple" or "MAC" in his comment

Could he maybe just maybe be a linux fanboy?????

silly m$ fan boys
by rich12313 July 23, 2009 7:35 PM PDT
@Sir
Seeing as how this is a microsoft article and everyone is argueing about mac vs. windows, i think we have a valid reason to believe he is a mac fanboy
by ACuriousOnlooker July 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT
I am SO HAPPY to hear about the feature that tells you when a file is being used and wear. It was so freaking annoying in the past to try and close or remove a program only to be told some random aspect of it was being used God knows where else.

Microsoft damn near lost my business forever with Vista, but this looks very promising. I think I've been sold off what I've seen.
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by sodablue July 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT
This is obviously good news for Apple.
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by Mark_Anderson July 22, 2009 3:39 PM PDT
Sure. People will buy Macbooks to run W7 on.
by Kwasiowusu July 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT
@ sodablue :"This is obviously good news for Apple"

Yeah. Like a hole in the head is good news for anybody.
by ace10134 July 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT
No, people will use common sense and buy the same laptop for hundreds less. Plus, they don't have to purchase a copy of Windows 7.

So, they would save about $500 at least.
by jessiethe3rd July 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
Yeah... I already have it on my MacBook Pro... if only the damn thing had a real second mouse button... flippin' HIPSTERS always gotta be different...
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 5:24 PM PDT
Considering Windows 7 makes an excellent OS to run on Apple computers, this gives those users a choice in what OS they wish to run.

More options are always a good thing.

Microsoft makes money from sales of the OS to Mac users as well. They have no reason to spurn them.
by CDubber July 22, 2009 10:27 PM PDT
"if only the damn thing had a real second mouse button..." - jessiethe3rd

Yeah, tapping with two fingers instead of one is SO DIFFICULT! /sarcasm

I'd take the single-button (or on the most recent models, no button at all) trackpad with finger gestures over any PC laptop I've ever owned or used. Multiple physical buttons on trackpads SUCK! Thumbs weren't meant to contort all day like that.
by ckh1272 July 23, 2009 1:41 AM PDT
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 5:24 PM PDT
Considering Windows 7 makes an excellent OS to run on Apple computers, this gives those users a choice in what OS they wish to run.

More options are always a good thing.

Microsoft makes money from sales of the OS to Mac users as well. They have no reason to spurn them."

I agree with you 100% Vegaman. I use both VIsta and 10.5 and I could give a rat's *** whether someone thinks Micorsoft sucks or Apple sucks. I have gotten plenty of use out of both with minimal hassle. I will upgrade to Win 7 when the initial kinks are ironed out (there always are). More options are definitely a good thing.
by Random_Walk July 23, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
"Plus, they don't have to purchase a copy of Windows 7. "

Actually, they do - it's just that the price is built into the cost of the computer.
by Sir0sx July 23, 2009 9:06 AM PDT
i must admit running windows Vista or XP on my macbook for the past 2 to 3 years and i have never had a more stable windows box EVER in my 10 plus years working with computers

Main reason "Stable Drivers" why Hardware Control!!!!
Apple doesn't just let any tom, dick, and harry make Hardware for there systems and there drivers are TRULEY tested not just rushed out to sell that new 800 buck video card
by Vegaman_Dan July 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
@Random_Walk:

Be sure to clarify your comments to include that you can purchase an upgrade or full stand alone version of Windows. You are not forced to buy a computer with it as you are with OS X. It's important to point out that OS X is only sold as an upgrade for Apple only computers and cannot be installed on any non-Apple hardware without violating the EULA.

Microsoft doesn't care what you install on it- they leave the freedom of choice up to the consumer to decide what they want to use and on what sort of system.
by bradmage July 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT
Hello everybody (apple and windows fans). Can anybody explain to me why should I buy Windows 7 if I have windows Xp? I don't want to hear about the UI because that is dumb. I don't need fluffy windows that I can move easily on my screen. I am looking for a reason to buy it but couldn't find any.
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by tipoo_ July 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT
For one, its more secure than XP.
by spacydog July 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
If you can't find a reason already to upgrade to Win7 then you probably shouldn't. If you need more reasons, watch the video above again.
by jessiethe3rd July 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT
Security, the fact that you cannot get support on it anymore, networking functionality greatly improved...

Maybe you should set up a VM (there's plenty of freebies on the net - Virtual PC is fine... load up Windows 7 and try it out - if you do not like it don't use it. :)
by Lennron July 23, 2009 7:55 AM PDT
Well first of all, if Windows 7 isn't compatible with your hardware, it would be worth sticking with Windows XP for now. Most of the new features are just for cosmetic purposes, but other features make it faster, more secure, and (once you get used to the new UI) easier to use. Microsoft is going to stop supporting XP in the semi-near future, so you are going to want to make the switch to Windows 7 eventually.
by Seaspray0 July 23, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
Besides security (which is enough of a reason), you might like some of the other things it has like the gadgets on the desktop, aero graphics, or pop up's from your taskbar which helps identify what each task is. The OS also has touch capability build in so if you decide to upgrade to a touch screen in the future, you're already set.
by windooor7 July 22, 2009 4:36 PM PDT
WOW, is this a Surprise, why use a sub 200 dollars windows when you can your a 1000 dollar window, for free from microsoft. Windows server 2008 workstation .the best os ever built. faster than window seven seven times. That all we using . login at channel 8 or call journeyedd.com and demand for it free.(dreamspark) That why we love microsoft. and still they will give us server 2008 r2 soon.
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by jessiethe3rd July 22, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
what did you just type?
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 5:26 PM PDT
I *think* this was an attempt at advertising, but I am not quite sure. The spelling, grammar, and syntax were badly malformed to the point of being meaningless.
by ckh1272 July 23, 2009 1:42 AM PDT
Spam alert!!!
by Seaspray0 July 23, 2009 9:10 AM PDT
@windooor7. I've seen those "get it for free" too many times. If you read the fine print, you'll discover the terms of agreement requires you to accept 2 offers from each page (several pages) and have those offers verify you have completed them, have two friends also sign up for this BS offer, etc, etc, etc. In the end, there's nothing free about it because all those offers would have cost you $$$ plus alot of hassle.
by mxrss July 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
Dreamspark is a program microsoft provides to university and high school students, if you are enrolled in a university then you can use the DreamSpark Software LIcensing for Eductional use only. Technically you have to renew every year. Besically you get access to VS 2008, SQL Server Standard, Windows Server 2008 but these are for learning not for production use. And you need to provide a college ID.
by AluminumMonster July 22, 2009 4:40 PM PDT
Only time i have ever gotten BSOD on Vista 64 is when i am Overclocking, but other then that Vista has been rock solid since i got it about two years ago.
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by MrRetardo July 22, 2009 5:07 PM PDT
I upgraded to Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit a month ago. I'm scared of it!!!

I ran all the benchmarks I could and everything was faster.
I pushed the OS as much as possible, even installed no-name hardware like a graphics tablet & an old scanner and Vista hasnt BSOD on me once??
I installed 12 GB of RAM and it sees ALL of it!!!
Firefox literally just "pops" open!
Photoshop takes about 3 seconds to open!!
Its been over a month and I havent had to restart the system.

***???
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by lennie22 July 22, 2009 6:00 PM PDT
wait till you put Win7 on that beast....you're gonna poop your pants.....I would say where double pants when you're gonna do it. heheheh
by FF2009 July 22, 2009 6:08 PM PDT
Windows what? you mean XP with a eye candy theme that is priced at $320?

No thanks. I like free stuff, like free as a beer. :)
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by monkeyfun14 July 22, 2009 6:29 PM PDT
Beer isn't free mate. Hell it gets pretty damn expensive.

See Linux can't even make a simple analogy and they want the idiot user base?
by uptheironsrafi July 22, 2009 8:30 PM PDT
Cnet should make you pay cash for your comments. Then you wouldn't troll as much.
by monster_eater123 July 22, 2009 9:06 PM PDT
Windows 7 is nothing like XP ... XP kind of sucks ... Windows 7 is way more solid than XP and quicker on my system. You need to learn Windows before you trash it there buddy.
by Vegaman_Dan July 22, 2009 9:10 PM PDT
You like free beer? And exactly what sort of quality can one expect of free beer? :)
by ckh1272 July 23, 2009 1:43 AM PDT
Sounds like someone has had plenty of beer. Time to call a cab my friend.
by flickz2000 July 23, 2009 6:06 PM PDT
WTH.!U said Windows 7- xp with a eye candy theme!!!!Don u say that..
It seems like u have nt even used windows XP coz xp is not free stuff like as a free beer..
LOL
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