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July 21, 2009 3:38 PM PDT

Microsoft confirms Windows 7 family pack

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft on Tuesday confirmed that it does plan to offer a "family pack" for Windows 7 that can be used on up to three PCs.

The software maker acknowledged the move as part of a blog entry Tuesday afternoon. However, it still isn't saying how much it will charge for the family pack, which allows three installations of the home premium version of Windows 7.

(Credit: Microsoft)

The move was hardly a surprise, after Microsoft included references to the family pack as part of licensing terms in a test version of Windows 7 that leaked onto the Internet.

Windows users have been calling for a family pack since before Windows Vista, and Apple has offered a family pack for Mac OS X since 2002. With Vista, Microsoft had a promotion for a time that allowed those who bought a copy of the Ultimate edition to buy up to three copies of Home Premium at a discount. Apple's family pack covers up to five machines.

Earlier this month, Microsoft ran a deal where people in the U.S. could order Windows 7 Home Premium for $49 and Professional edition for $99, but that deal has ended. A similar promotion in Europe is still going on, although it has sold out in some places. Those who bought Windows Vista Ultimate complained that so far Microsoft has yet to offer a discounted way for them to move to Windows 7 Ultimate, feedback that Microsoft has said it is taking under consideration.

Microsoft is expected to announce by the end of July that it has finalized the code for Windows 7. The blog posting on Tuesday discussed the so-called "release to manufacturing" process but did not offer any update on the timing of that stage.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.


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by Mark_Anderson July 21, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
Although W7 looks like being a great OS MS don't appear to have learned from the marketing debacle that was Vista's launch.

For goodness sake just give us the damn price!
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by Mr. Dee July 21, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
What are you talking about? Microsoft has revealed the pricing for Windows 7
Windows 7 Home Premium $199.99 (FPP) $119.99 (UPG)
Windows 7 Professional $299.99 (FPP) $199.99 (UPG)
Windows 7 Ultimate $319.99 (FPP) $219.99 (UPG)
by Random_Walk July 21, 2009 4:42 PM PDT
...that's retail. Everyone with a clue knows that you wait for OEM pricing to show up and buy it on the wholesale market. ;)
by Vegaman_Dan July 21, 2009 8:09 PM PDT
I can't buy MSFT wholesale. I have to buy it from the store like BestBuy. Retail is a rather important factor.

OEM pricing would be from MSFT to OEM hardware makers. You can't buy Windows reail installation media from those OEM's. They will have their own customized images instead.

'Everyone with a clue knows that" to quote a recent post.
by santuccie July 21, 2009 9:17 PM PDT
@Vegaman_Dan:

I respect you, and never thought I'd be siding with Penguinisto (a.k.a. Random_Walk), but I'm afraid you're mistaken this time. Windows does come in OEM packages as well as retail packages. The retail version is more expensive, comes in a cardboard box, and can be transferred to a new machine (once you call MS and solemnly swear that this is the only machine it's currently installed on). An OEM package comes shrink-wrapped with a manual and a few other documents, and the license is good for only one activation. If your mobo gets fried, the license dies with it.

Ever done an XP repair install? When someone buys a pre-built machine, it comes with an OEM version, modified to bear the OEM's own logos and crapware. You can't do a repair install on one of these machines with a retail version; you have to have an OEM disc. That said, I believe you can pre-order Windows 7 Home from BestBuy for $49, and Pro for $99. Cheers!
by Lerianis3 July 21, 2009 10:10 PM PDT
Vegaman_Dan, why can't you buy MSFT wholesale? Newegg sells the OEM versions, and you cannot tell me that with your obvious access to the internet, that you cannot buy an OEM version or 3-pack OEM version from them, can you?
by Renegade Knight July 22, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
@Lerianis3

You are describing retail. That's a retail OEM version. Far different than the wholesale price that Dell, HP etc. would get.
by celticbrewer July 22, 2009 10:39 AM PDT
Renegade Knight is correct- OEM is not wholesale; though I'd bet the majority of wholesale is the OEM version. Obvously Dell, HP, etc get a wholesale/volume price. Individuals can buy OEM versions "technically" with the purchase of hardware. That's not to say that you couldn't find some place out there that'll sell you an OEM disc solo. Here's prices from one place I looked:

Vista Ultimate:
Retail $196
Retail Volume $185 (each in a 3 pack)
OEM $173
by chazzsubscribe July 27, 2009 6:28 PM PDT
yes, OEM is not "wholesale" but it's cheaper than full retail (boxed copies at Best Buy). "OEM" often comes just in shrink wrapped plastic without fancy cardboard box or whatever. Some places make you buy a blank hard drive to qualify for OEM but others just sell it to you with no questions asked.
by monkeyfun14 July 21, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
"OMG MICROSOFT IS COPYING OFF APPLE **** EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE HAVE ASKED THEM TOO FOR YEARS NOW THAT THEY DO IT WERE GONNA COMPLAIN LIKE BABIES"
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by slickuser July 21, 2009 4:08 PM PDT
For $19.99? Too bad Billy Mays is dead. I believe MS was hoping to sell Windows 7 with
help from him.

I wonder how would they now?
by Mr. Dee July 21, 2009 4:14 PM PDT
The post on the Windows 7 Team blog didn't say anything about copying Apple, it said they listened to customers. I have 3 PC's in my home and the Home Premium Family Pack would do just fine. Tell me which home except for Matt Assays that has more 5 Macs.
by monkeyfun14 July 21, 2009 4:23 PM PDT
@Mr.Dee

I was being sarcastic. Just pointing out a inevitable comment that will be brought up by the few who hate competition.
by Random_Walk July 21, 2009 4:43 PM PDT
...maybe they can include a free Sham-Wow with every order, and make a two-fer deal (plus additional shipping+handling, of course).
by Vegaman_Dan July 21, 2009 8:11 PM PDT
@Random_Walk:

Excellent idea! And every Mac should have a copy included as well... since there is a good sized number of people who run Windows now on their Mac, they should get a discount too. :)

Somehow I don't think Apple will ever offer Windows on their systems.... Oh well, their loss.
by celticbrewer July 22, 2009 10:40 AM PDT
Office has a family pack that can be installed on 3 PCs. Maybe they copied themselves :-)
by ecartman0 July 21, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
I just hope the windows 7 home premium isn't crippled like XP Home was. No Networking on XP home made using WHS and others painful to say the least. This time I will keep my eyes open.
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by Orion Blastar July 21, 2009 5:04 PM PDT
Actually yes, you need Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate in order to connect to a Windows domain name and advanced networking features.

Windows 7 Home Premium only offers peer to peer networks via Workgroups. Much like XP Home offered.

Windows Vista Business and Ultimate were the only versions that had Windows domain name support, every other version under them only had Workgroup support.

That is how Microsoft squeezes more money out of businesses by limiting network support in lower versions.

Of course Microsoft would be happy and glad to offer an upgrade key via a fee per license to issue a new serial number for upgrading the Home version to Pro or Ultimate. Each copy of Windows 7 has all of the features for Ultimate and below in it, and the serial key unlocks the features for each version. So you have to buy a new key via an instant upgrade to change your current key to a higher version that includes domain support and advanced networking.
by DrtyDogg July 21, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
ecartman0: WHS doesn't rely on any networking found only in xp pro.
by jessiethe3rd July 21, 2009 5:45 PM PDT
It sounds like you are implying that Microsoft is only offering domain support in the business and ultimate editions...

Business Edition includes:
MUI or Multiuser Language support - one version suports 32 different languages. This in itself is of value to cusotmers who a.) have a presence in another country or b.) need more than one language for their users

Bitlocker Drive Encryption - this gives you the ability to lock down and encrypt your drive - extremely useful for businesses who have mobile travelers. Lose the laptop and not the data that resides on it. This encryption can also be applied to portable devices and other drives extremely handy and a requirement for any public company (think SOX)

These are just two differences and there's plenty more. If you are only looking for the peer to peer that's one thing - saying that Microsoft uses it to squeeze money out of businesses sounds pretty damn stupid. Business pay more because, a.) they need more functionality and they have more demanding needs, and b.) end users generally don't need all the bells and whistles like bitlocker or domain accessibility.
by Vegaman_Dan July 21, 2009 8:15 PM PDT
@Orion Blastar:

How many homes do you think would have both primary and secondary domain controllers on separate machines as part of their system? DHCP, file and print servers? How much money in hardware do you think the average home user is going to spend on setting up a high volume business class network only to share files and content in their small home setup?

Why pay for all those features if you won't be using them? XP Home was fine for those people. Vista home worked well too.

I think you may have misunderstood the features and limitations of the products you are referring to. Thsi sort of misinformation tens to confuse matters more than help.
by shellcodes_coder July 21, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
Great move by Microsoft. So does that mean endangered os--snow leopard will...?
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by baconstang July 21, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
Apple always (I think) offers family packs these days. For OSs and iLife. But I don't have a family....sniff.
by Perry_Clease July 21, 2009 6:13 PM PDT
"Apple always (I think) offers family packs these days. For OSs and iLife. But I don't have a family....sniff"

He knows that the Snow Leopard upgrade will have a family pack, $49 for up to five Macs. See http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08macosx.html
by ar09 July 21, 2009 6:27 PM PDT
can someone please explain this to me?
WHAT is this family pack program, is it like the ms-plus from windows 98???
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by Mr. Dee July 21, 2009 7:51 PM PDT
The Windows 7 Home Premium family pack entitles you to install Windows 7 Home Premium on three machines that you might own. Microsoft Plus is an add-on that enhances Windows, two completely different things.
by FF2009 July 21, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
-Windows 7 Ultimate $319.99 (FPP) $219.99 (UPG)


You may as well buy a new PC
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by monkeyfun14 July 21, 2009 6:39 PM PDT
Why does anyone need the Ultimate edition? And most people won't get Windows 7 until they buy a new PC.
by baconstang July 21, 2009 6:40 PM PDT
You mean the $320 doesn't include a PC?
by Mr. Dee July 21, 2009 7:54 PM PDT
Can a $320 Netbook even run Windows 7 Ultimate? You have to remember, the target audience is very strategic when it comes to the user. Windows 7 Ultimate is targetting a power user with a powerful Tablet PC that does everything, which include support for 4 GBs of RAM or more, Windows Touch, Tablet PC input, powerful graphics card, need business functionality like Bitlocker Encryption, Group Policy, Domain Join, Media Center and more.
by Vegaman_Dan July 21, 2009 8:18 PM PDT
@Mr. Dee:

"Can a $320 Netbook even run Windows 7 Ultimate?"

My Acer Aspire One handles Ultimate with ease. However I don't have a TV tuner on board so I can't take advantage of that, but the rest works without a hitch. No issues what so ever. Installation took about 20 min start to finish.
by Lerianis3 July 21, 2009 10:13 PM PDT
Well, that's really the smart thing to do. Buy a new computer with Windows 7 Home Premium installed, and go!

Why do people need the Ultimate Edition? Two words? Bit-Locker! That's the main thing that is in Windows 7 Ultimate that is NOT in other versions made for home usage.
by TheReaperD July 23, 2009 6:40 AM PDT
Simply purchase a low cost Windows with the features you want, then install TrueCrypt <http://www.truecrypt.org/> and save yourself up to a few hundred dollars.
by heygeo July 24, 2009 12:39 AM PDT
@Mr. Dee
I'm pretty sure that the RC is close the Ultimate version of Win7, I'm running it on a Asus 1000HE netbook and it flies.
by pithenumber July 24, 2009 8:33 AM PDT
@Mr. Dee
a netbook runs ultimate quite fast
by jaximflash July 21, 2009 7:08 PM PDT
As a Windows Ultimate user, I am not only angered that I was not offered a discounted rate to Windows 7 Ultimate, but that Microsoft is treating XP and Vista users the same.

IMHO, Vista users should get a reduced price to upgrade to Win7 as compared to XP users. It's like upgrading to any other software. For example, if I upgrade to Adobe CS4, then my cost will be less if I have CS3 as compared to CS2.

I bought the Vista upgrade, upgraded my computer hardware and now if I want to upgrade to Win7, it'll cost me more than XP users (who skipped upgrading to Vista) if you factor in the upgrade cost of Vista. Where's the brand loyalty?

Maybe I should just switch to a Mac. Let's hope Microsoft still offers a reduced price by October to Vista users AND Vista Ultimate users.
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by Mr. Dee July 21, 2009 7:59 PM PDT
Switching to a Mac will just cost you more, since you will be buying new hardware and you will have to buy Mac supported versions of your applications. You can't compare a graphics package to an operating system, their licensing are not the same. Windows Vista was an entirely brand new release just like XP was and 2000 before it and even NT 4. Windows 7 is also a major upgrade, don't let the 6.1 kernel version fool you, that is to ease the transition from Vista to 7. Windows 7 is being released in a reasonable time frame, almost 3 years after Vista, you are looking at it from the perspective, because Vista was released the other day and I purchased Ultimate, I should get 7 Ultimate as a free upgrade or for $50. It doesn't work that way.
by monkeyfun14 July 21, 2009 8:05 PM PDT
Switch to Mac then.
by Vegaman_Dan July 21, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
It's true... I bought a 2003 Chevy S10 pickup and then what does GM do? They release a NEW model- the 2004 version and they refused to give me a discount beause I already owned the 2003 model. The bastards- clearly this is intended only to screw people!

Or... geez, get a ife. :)
by Weudel July 22, 2009 6:16 AM PDT
Or go Ubuntu...... free upgrade every six months.... ooooooh......
by rpvitiello July 22, 2009 10:30 AM PDT
actually Chevy and many car manufacturers run "owner loyalty" discounts. If u already own a GM or kia or what ever and trade in for another GM or KIA etc.. they give you a extra break on the price over everyone else who is not an existing customer.

Disclaimer since GM went bankrupt i don't know if they still do that, but many auto companies do.
by Weudel July 22, 2009 11:10 AM PDT
And I'm sure M$ is eager to follow GM's business practices, since they went BANKRUPT!!!
by One-Eared Gundark July 22, 2009 12:17 PM PDT
Hey, Vegaman_Dan! You lost an "L" in the last line of your comment. Here it is:

l

Glad I could help. ;)
by viper396 July 22, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
@jaximflash, "Maybe I should just switch to a Mac"

That's a obvious empty threat. You can't get a discount on a win7 upgrade so you threaten to actually pay more to switch to a Mac. Go ahead, nobody is stopping you.
by guest86 July 21, 2009 10:27 PM PDT
If you are Windows XP fans, Try Windows 7 Professional first. Don't buy Ultimate but not worth due to extra programs add on it. If don't help, go back to Windows XP forever where you come from it.

Keep forward to Windows 7 Professional. Skip Home editions. Pro is powerful one.
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by X-C3PO July 21, 2009 11:33 PM PDT
GOOD APPROCH
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by dbloyd July 22, 2009 4:30 AM PDT
I wish there was a 30 day trial for Windows 7. I missed out on getting the beta but I have no idea if Windows 7 is going to be any good. I don't trust the reviews.
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by justdenny July 22, 2009 4:46 AM PDT
The free RC(release candidate) is still available and will work until June 2010...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx?ITPID=wcfeed
by kstafferton July 22, 2009 4:55 AM PDT
You can still download Windows 7 RC. I've been using it on my main PC for a couple of months now and have it on pre-order because I don't want to go back to XP.
by inachu1 July 22, 2009 6:05 AM PDT
Family packs will keep Piracy down a lot!
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by Talyx July 22, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
I'm not sure what blog post the author was reading, but the official microsoft team blog post on the 21st states clearly (over and over again, ad nauseum) that Windows 7 will be available on Connect and MSDN on August 6.

The same post confirms that there will be a Family Pack for Home Premium in "select markets", with price to be forthcoming. Just go to windowsteamblog dawt com, and read the article (at the top) entitled "When will you get Windows 7 RTM?"
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by RompStar_420 July 22, 2009 8:31 AM PDT
I'll get it for free, but would I want to even use it, OS X and Linux Ubuntu works just fine, rock solid, no problems, no headaches, no viruses, nothing, just works!

Who needs windows anyways, these days!
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by MrRetardo July 22, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
Um, I bought the OEM version of Vista Ultimate 64-bit a month ago... loving it. Even more, it DOES have a coupon for a FREE upgrade to Windows 7.

Only $189 on Newegg.
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by grant2022 July 22, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
If the price is right I'll buy. Iskipped the upgrade option hoping that this type of package would be available. If the price is too high I'll just stay with Vista.
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by seanlach00 July 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
Here something I am pretty sure the multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft would easily figure out!!!
$400.00 for a OS??? K Netbook $350, OS = $400??? Makes sense??? No... Apple $29 To upgrade, MSFT Confused!!!! Linux OS = FREE!!! MSFT Confused!!! Apple no problems with Virus protection, MSFT so which Antivirus should I install today and pay $99 for to protect my computer for 10 minutes!!! UMMMM Let me keep going Touch Screen Laptop $899.00 $400.00 OS????? UMMMM I don't think we need a Multi-Billion dollar Company and bunch of over paid I..... to figure this out, that your success will be down the drain!!! I will switch to Mac pay the extra money and never deal with your headaches again, and don't have to worry about all the problems that your software would have coming out of the Box and how I have to update and patch and SP1, SP2, SP3 update it!!! Hey here is another Idea, if I really get tired of Apple, I use apple but MSFT on it, much better screen, much better laptop, Battery last forever, looks nice and here is a message for you I WAS a PC and you screwed us over!!!!
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by One-Eared Gundark July 23, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
Apple can charge $29 for their upgrade because they make most of their money on the hardware they sell. That's why you cannot legally buy a Mac OS and put it on other hardware.

Microsoft does not make a computer to sell their OS with. If they did, you'd see Windows OS sell much cheaper, but be limited to use with Microsoft computers - just like Apple restricts OSX to genuine Mac computers.

We can complain about the high price of Windows, or over-priced Macs, but the price for them both must be fair, or none of them would sell. I'm pretty sure if Microsoft sold Windows 7 upgrades for $29, they'd be losing money. Just as Apple would be losing money if they sold Mac Books for $600.
by HobbesPDX July 23, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
Thanks for making a public point that Microsoft is leaving Ultimate customers 'in the lurch' -- we're enthusiasts, the people whom have [likely] helped kill Vista. It would make sense to provide a favorable price point for a Vista -> 7 upgrade path, to win the favor [and thus, public opinion] of those very enthusiasts whom will be wanting to flee Vista.
Otherwise -- why did they provide the RC of 7? [good until March] Are they wanting us all to be patient?
Maybe the deal will come after release. But that's dumb. Tell us now, so we know, and can plan.
Microsoft needs to be clear about their plans, or they risk alienating the very people whom can help them start to make PCs cool. [as cool as a Mac, anyway]
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by sanjayb July 23, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
At least MS is listening to their customers. I am sure their customers wanted the family pack since they see that Apple has been offering family pack for years. Hopefully MS will now listen to their Vista Ultimate Customers that have no option to upgrade to Win 7 Ultimate.

Continue to listen MicroSoft.
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by redboy33 August 4, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
I would buy windows 7 pro in a family pack for $149. I want XP mode and the ability to join a domain... Why can't MS price windows 7 proi for the average joe? Make the Home Premium Family Pack $99.. It'll fly off the shelves and MS can move on and forget the Vista disaster. Even the staunchest pirate may buck up for that?? HA HAH AH... sorry, that was funny...

I would like to add that I have never paid for a copy of any MS product, not that I pirate, my company pays for volume licensing.. but I swear.. Just to be perfectly "legit" (as I don't use my pc for "work" all of the time) I would buy win7pro in a family pack if MS priced it under $150... I can't explain why $150 is my Mendoza Line, it just seems fair? Doesn't it? MS are you listening? America is broke (or is it just me?) Throw us a bone!!

Just sayin'
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