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July 14, 2009 1:19 PM PDT

Microsoft's server boss: No Azure in a box

by Ina Fried

One of the limiting factors for Windows Azure--Microsoft's operating system for the cloud--is that it only runs in Microsoft's data centers.

Some have wondered why Microsoft doesn't just package it up and offer it as something that businesses or hosters can run in their own data centers.

Server and Tools head Bob Muglia on Tuesday announced pricing and other details for Windows Azure, Microsoft's cloud-based operating system.

(Credit: CNET News)

Server and Tools boss Bob Muglia said in an interview Tuesday that Windows Server will start to take on attributes of Azure, but said there are good reasons why Azure doesn't make sense as a standalone product.

The main reason, Muglia said, is that it isn't built to offer choice. Because Microsoft knows exactly the hardware that will run on Azure, it hasn't built it to support different kinds of hardware or software.

"Windows Azure obviously runs in our own data center," Muglia said. "It is very much restricted. It only needs to run the hardware that we are trying to run on. It's not really appropriate for us to deliver it to customers in that form."

Businesses and hosters will want to offer their own clouds he said, and Microsoft will have tools for them, but Azure isn't their answer. Instead, he said, Windows Server, System Center, and Virtual Machine Manager will get a lot better at operating in a cloud-based environment, while still offering customers lots more choice.

"We will be taking our Virtual Machine Manager product and evolve it over time to much more straightforwardly allow customers to build their own private cloud," Muglia said.

Just because they will remain separate products, though, doesn't mean there won't be overlap between the Azure and Windows Server teams, he said. He noted that Windows Server 2008 R2, the version of Windows 7 for the server, has the ability to boot from a virtual hard drive--a feature developed by the Windows Azure team. Conversely, Azure supports applications written in PHP, a feature that it was able to offer because of work the Windows Server team had done in its last release.

Both Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows Azure are set for release in the coming months. Microsoft announced Azure pricing on Tuesday and said it will launch commercially at Microsoft's Professional Developer Conference in November. Meanwhile, Windows Server 2008 R2 is set to be available to volume license customers September 1, the same time as Windows 7.

As for Azure, rival Salesforce.com had some hard words on Tuesday.

"When Microsoft, the company that has the most to lose from cloud computing, enters the market, you know that 'The End of Software' has arrived," Salesforce.com VP of strategy Bruce Francis said in an e-mail. "However, instead of solving the problems of the cost and complexity of client server, Microsoft is just moving those problems to the cloud. We believe that Azure will do for cloud computing what the Zune has done for media players."

But Muglia said that Azure is actually leading the way by allowing companies a way to move to the cloud that doesn't make them create whole new ways of writing software.

"There are many millions of customers today that are running very business critical applications today in the server environment," Muglia said. "We are focused on providing those customers with a smooth easy on-ramp into the cloud where they can leverage their skills and get the scale-out benefits the cloud will provide."

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by monkeyfun14 July 14, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
Its a good move for reliability as bad as CNET wants to make it out to be.

If Apple can do it why can't Microsoft?
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by Epitiro July 14, 2009 2:09 PM PDT
Trust, trust, trust. not a chance would trust Microsoft to do this. How long has it taken them simply to get their own systems to stabilise in the cloud. At least today you can reboot your servers, patch them (ugly) or re-build them from scratch without expensive helpline support. All that's now gone with Azure - not a hope. Google I might trust, Microsoft NEVER
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by monkeyfun14 July 14, 2009 2:17 PM PDT
Lol?

Why would any company with a reputation to uphold want to **** you off on purpose?
by eadeguzman July 14, 2009 2:11 PM PDT
Salesforce.com must be running scared now. I wonder what's his basis for his remarks. How does he know that Azure is "complex"?

I really don't understand the statement that the end of software has arrived. So what do you call the code the runs on the Salesforce server? Isn't that software?
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by jsusanka July 14, 2009 2:21 PM PDT
betcha their cloud software Azure has some gpl software in it and they can't release it to the general public because of the gpl or they would have to release all the source to azure.

linux has been doing cloud stuff for at least 2 to 3 years. just look at amazon and google. of course microsoft is bringing up the rear just like they did with the internet. they still don't get it.
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by TinyIoda July 14, 2009 2:43 PM PDT
whats with the hate.... choice is a GOOD thing!!!! always has been.. always will be...

Ive been playing around with mesh services for a while (invitation as a developer) and it offers some cool tech. Im not going to say its a be all end all.. but they have some good ideas just like everyone else.
by Super2online July 14, 2009 3:02 PM PDT
Tinyloda- It has become fashionable in recent years to become a Microsoft basher. It inflates their egos to proclaim alliance with any other camp, by any other name, while providing a false sense of superiority.
by pcdude2143 July 14, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
Some people are Microsoft bashers just because they want to be. I am a Microsoft basher for a reason. The reason is Microsoft's business tactics. They don't try to make something better than the competition, they just try to stifle it by coming up with stupid OEM agreements.
by monkeyfun14 July 14, 2009 3:54 PM PDT
@pcdude

When?

they constantly improve there products. If you honestly believe they don't then you are a fool.
by July 16, 2009 11:46 PM PDT
You're right! I worked at MSFT when they were running BSD servers to make MS-Mail work coz it couldn't scale on NT boxes. When an OS vendor won't tell you what their cloud offering is based on, you can bet it's got something to do with the fact that their OS isn't capable. If this was a great MSFT story, they'd be selling this cloud platform to enable their enterprise customers to use it within their firewalls.

It's not "fashionable" to bash MSFT... It's EASY... They don't behave like a trusted source. They ship software that obviously isn't ready for mass market and then they tell us it's "innovation"...

Come on. How many times do we have to get slapped by these guys before we start to question their motives.
by retroboy77 July 14, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
"We believe that Azure will do for cloud computing what the Zune has done for media players"
You aint no iPod Salesforce.com.
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