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June 19, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Microsoft looks to give MSN fresh wings

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft is testing a revamped version of its MSN home page in France that features fewer channels, more video, and a direct connection to a user's Hotmail in-box.

(Credit: Microsoft)

Although most of the discussion of Microsoft's online business has been around Bing, its new search engine, Microsoft is also working on a fall revamp for MSN, its decade-old portal site.

Though often overlooked by Microsoft watchers, the MSN portal remains critically important to Microsoft's online business. Its home page is the crown jewel of its display ad business and MSN is also responsible for about half of the company's Internet search traffic. And, despite the notion that portals are passe, Microsoft says its research shows that 37 percent of Internet users still rely on a portal as an important source of information.

"It's not for everyone, but for a good chunk of the market, it's a way people can make sense of the Internet," MSN Vice President Erik Jorgensen said in an interview this week.

To stay relevant, Microsoft is working on overhauling MSN in a few key ways. In particular, the company is trying to add a limited amount of personalization as well as more social media features. Microsoft is also trying to downplay the myriad of channels that date back to the days when its portal, like Yahoo and AOL, aimed to be a directory of the Internet.

But, as it rethinks the MSN site, Microsoft must also tread lightly, mindful of its experience a few years back when it tried to radically alter its Hotmail service. The changes, intended to enable the service to compete with Gmail and Yahoo, proved too jarring for many of its users.

Indeed, the MSN home page, which dates back to 1998 when Microsoft grouped its bevy of Web properties under the MSN name, has changed remarkably little in recent years.

On a number of occasions over the years, Microsoft has tried to freshen up the image of the portal. Back in 2000, Microsoft added the butterfly logo amid a big ad campaign.

In 2006, the company lured MSNBC's John Nicol out of retirement in its most recent major effort to revitalize the site.

Much of that effort centered on bolstering the site's video content. Microsoft dipped its toe into original programming and also brought some key events to MSN, including the Live Earth concert and the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Under his tenure, Microsoft also announced Soapbox, an effort to compete in the user generated content space with YouTube.

Soapbox, however, proved less than successful and Jorgensen said this week that Microsoft plans to scale back the site, possibly eliminating the ability of users to post their own videos directly to the site.

Getting personal
One of the areas that Microsoft continues to tinker with is just how much to personalize the site. This has been a tricky balance for Microsoft. It has offered products such as its Start.com (and later Live.com) page, which began as a blank canvas onto which users could plug all kinds of content modules. However, that proved to have only niche appeal.

"There is a limit to how many people are interested in putting in that level of work," said Jorgensen, who assumed the top MSN spot last year after Nicol left the post. Jorgensen also continues to run Microsoft's local and mobile search efforts.

This time around, MSN is relying on Microsoft's software algorithms and machine learning to do "clustering" of content based on a user's demographics.

Microsoft is also trying to use software, rather than humans, to help choose which stories get placed where on MSN. Instead of having its editors update the pages four times a day, the revamped MSN will see things shifting nearly constantly based on the data the company is getting back on which stories are clicking with users.

At the end of the day, Jorgensen hopes to create a site that has more software know-how than Yahoo and is more human than Google.

Some of the MSN changes are already being tested in various parts of the world. In France, for example, the software maker is testing the new user interface with fewer channels and more prominent video (see image at top of post). In Brazil, a far more radical remake of MSN features a social media bar where people can drag videos to share them with their circle of friends (see image at bottom of post).

Microsoft is still figuring out how drastic to make the changes and how gradually it needs to roll them out.

The software maker is also toying with how much to segment its audience. For example, the company has an MSN Today screen it shows users as they log into Windows Live Messenger. For the past three months, Microsoft has been showing four different screens depending on whether a user is male or female and whether he or she is over or under 25.

In the U.S., the company also offered some users a choice of viewing the standard MSN home page when they go to the main portal or if they would instead prefer an entertainment-only version.

"It can't be one size fits all," Jorgensen said.

In Brazil, Microsoft is testing a more radical overhaul of the MSN site, featuring a social media bar that users can use to share video with their social circle.

(Credit: Microsoft)
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by MadLyb June 19, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
Follow the Bing model, as it was pretty succesful...but move a little quicker.
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by mailbox001 June 19, 2009 6:47 AM PDT
The one for Brazil looks cool! Hopefully they can make that an option here in the US.
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by BogusBasin June 19, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
It's got wings! The darn thing's got wings!
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by mjconver June 19, 2009 7:01 AM PDT
As an IT pro, I've always hated MSN. I do remote support for hundreds of clients via Webex, GotoMeeting, RDC, you name it. You have no idea how annoying it is when you're trying to get work done, and you have to wait. And wait. And wait for the MSN page to load all those images and ads and spam. Too many of my clients have heard me curse "Oh @#$#, not MSN again! Stop-stop-stop-stop-stop" as I multi-click the stop button.
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by adhetola June 19, 2009 7:12 AM PDT
cursing at your clients, cmon? i'm sure u have a mute button, so they shouldn't have to hear your opinion :). mind u too, you're sharing the band with the webpages you're trying to load with your remote sessions, and more often than now, one or two seconds lag shouldn't be a biggy; you better hope they have 1+ Mbps speeds.

i don't use MSN, but when i have to work with people who do, i keep my opinion to myself, but not without a wry smile ;)
by wolivere June 19, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
People choose there home pages that is there choice. Some people like all they get on MSN, some like just nothing. But that said, my home page is msn, and it sure don't take a long time to load.

But I have to ask what is an IT Pro these days? Post 2k sure there where IT pro's. Today? minimum wage tech support ranks in around the level of MC D's.
by dwinks June 19, 2009 8:29 PM PDT
@Wolivere

Seriously, learn the difference between "there, their, they're" and "where, were", it's not that hard.
by GajaKannan June 19, 2009 7:41 AM PDT
brazil site looks really awesome...
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by myles taylor June 19, 2009 7:49 AM PDT
Core fans? What...all 6 of them? :P

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Don't bash me guys; it was a joke.
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by make_or_break June 21, 2009 8:09 AM PDT
Yahoo fanboy...hasn't your company gone into receivership yet?

Sorry, *I* couldn't resist. (sound familiar?)
by Mr. Dee June 19, 2009 7:50 AM PDT
The Brazilian version looks like something from 2002. What MSN needs to focus on is localized content, which Yahoo! has committed to.
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by scottbordenborden June 21, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
That's what I was thinking. looks dated already.
by Uilleam June 19, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
The Brazilian page looks cute, but not too functional. I agree with Mr. Dee that MSN should focus on local content, like Yahoo has committed to for years but can't seem to deliver. I think we've reached the point where localized start pages/portals are doable.

I've used MSN exclusively since 2002 as my portal, over Yahoo and others. They don't monkey with the design constantly, and when the do it is concise and functional, unlike Yahoo who changes every pixel every time, and slows its load time more and more.

That said, this is shaping up to be a very busy year for Microsoft. If they get all this onboard before the end of Q4, 2010 might actually be a year we see MSFT growth. Dare I say?
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by ArsFragica June 19, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
One website.

www.m.yahoo.com <----- FTW
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by empirestatebuddy June 19, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
I was using Yahoo as my homepage for a couple years, but recently switched to Live.com (over MSN)... because I can customize Live more (I guess that makes me a "niche" person). The reason I dumped Yahoo is because their email doesn't work with Windows Live Mail (unless you pay them), so I just scrapped my Yahoo email accounts and turned them into Hotmail or Gmail accounts.
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by dennisl59 June 19, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
MSN still exists? Idea: Partner with AOL!
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by enoch861 June 19, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
AOL really?
dude, we are in a new century, not 1998!
by empirestatebuddy June 19, 2009 1:03 PM PDT
AOL still has about 8 million active members and controls about 2% of the "search" market, so a collaboration (at the right price) might actually work. Not everyone on the internet cares about "the cloud" or "firefox" or "open source" software. Many just want to check their email and read the news. Nothing wrong with that.
by ncalishome June 19, 2009 2:16 PM PDT
LOL not a bad idea... My mother has been an AOL user for years and it suits her fine as far as I know.
by jmcintire June 19, 2009 11:26 PM PDT
Talk about the blind leading the blind ;-)
by jmcintire June 19, 2009 11:27 PM PDT
Anyone remember when Firefox was a cool fighter jet movie starring Clint Eastwood?
by make_or_break June 21, 2009 8:17 AM PDT
AOL still has one thing going for it: tons of content, even if most of it seems like it was snatched from the pages of The National Enquirer. But hey, it's great for all of those folk who covertly lust after the supermarket checkout line magazine trash (yeah, you know who you are...yeah, you...I saw you sneaking a peek at those tawdry covers...we have you on video to prove it).

Sounds like THE perfect match for Redmond.
by anonymuos June 19, 2009 9:45 AM PDT
As a consumer, MSN is incredibly valuable to me. It lets me write small opinion articles on in-the-news topics too. The only thing I hate is all videos autoplay eating up my precious bandwidth.
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by esiders June 19, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
MSN could do a lot better if they would drop NBC off their site altogether.
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by hassan_bin_sober June 19, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
New drapes and getting the carpet cleaned ain't gonna do it!
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by rdarylh June 19, 2009 4:39 PM PDT
I say, forget about Windows Live. Microsoft should get back to MSN!
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by blackcoffeenosugar June 19, 2009 5:08 PM PDT
"Modernize the site without alienating core fans" as if there is any. A lot of people probably end up on MSN because it is the default homepage of Internet Explorer. Good that the EU has allowed more choice (or less choice, yes) for comsumers in Europe.
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by monkeyfun14 June 20, 2009 11:19 AM PDT
Oh yes cause defaulting it to Google is better right?

Your comment is purely idiotic.
by make_or_break June 21, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
And your inept inability to take personal charge and manually make a CHANGE from of Internet Exploder is...what? Apparently I must've missed that part.

I do despise it so when these sorts of weak-kneed types continue to rely on demonstrative, central regulatory agencies to take over their lives and thus provide the regulators' own edited version of rose-colored glasses...all in the name of "freedom" from a company whose glory days are already confined in its past.
by blackcoffeenosugar June 21, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
To "monkeyfun14" For your information: Yes, my default search engine is Google, so what? It is genuinely better than MSN, so what? There are (a lot) more people using Google than MSN, so what? And if you don't like either of them. You don't have to set a default search engine, you know?
by monkeyfun14 June 21, 2009 2:23 PM PDT
@blackcoffee

Why is it okay for every other browser to default their homepages to their respective websites besides MS?

Maybe regulators should take a look at Apple and them defaulting it to their website?
by jmcintire June 19, 2009 11:18 PM PDT
I like the Brazil version much more than the French version.
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by jmcintire June 19, 2009 11:21 PM PDT
Unfortunately, as is the case with many large corporations, Microsoft will probably go with the conservative layout being showcased in France. Hyundai, for example, had a truly revolutionary design for its Genesis concept, but the final product turned out to be the safe, no-frills, no-risk, and no-excitement design.
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by jmcintire June 19, 2009 11:37 PM PDT
Microsoft tried to update Live Mail to a "modern" look, but I guess most users couldn't handle the change, so Microsoft went back and buried its collective head in the sand. For this reason, among others, it seems likely that MS will go with the safe, conservative, incremental and barely perceptible revamp seen in France. They don't want to stick their heads out and risk another Live Mail experience.
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by timster799 June 20, 2009 3:24 PM PDT
The portal for Brazil does NOT look cool. It looks crowded and busy. The portal used in France looks great. Always avoid web sites that lend too heavily towards video. I access my favorite sites from work, which blocks any site with streaming video, thus a simple portal works best for me. Even if I could access video-heavy sites at work, I wouldn't. Am I the only one that only clicks on exceptional videos and skips 99% of the rest?
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