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June 11, 2009 5:00 PM PDT

Microsoft, Mississippi settle Windows suit

by Ina Fried

Microsoft and the state of Mississippi said Thursday that they have reached a settlement in a class-action suit over the pricing of Windows and Office. Under the terms of the deal, Microsoft will pay $40 million to the state and up to $60 million in vouchers to consumers, businesses, schools, and local governments.

The deal is similar to the many settlements that Microsoft struck with states in years past.

Those in Mississippi who purchased Microsoft products or computers containing Microsoft products between January 1, 1996, and Thursday will be eligible to receive a voucher of $12 or $5, depending on which products were purchased. The vouchers can be used toward the purchase of any software or hardware product.

Products eligible for the $12 vouchers include three older Windows versions--Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows ME. Among those that qualify for the $5 vouchers are Office (or components such as Word and Excel), MS-DOS, Windows 1.xx-3.xx Windows for Workgroups, Windows NT Workstation, Windows 2000 and Windows XP.

If not all the vouchers are claimed, Microsoft will pay up to an additional $8 million to the state.

"Microsoft is pleased to reach this resolution with the State of Mississippi and with our customers in Mississippi," said Steve Aeschbacher, Microsoft associate general counsel. "We look forward to working with the state on issues of mutual concern going forward."

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by pmfjoe June 11, 2009 5:32 PM PDT
Wow, twelve whole dollars! Why don't they just give out McDonald's gift cards cause their ain't much computer hardware/software you get get for $12 save a cheap mouse or keyboard.
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by Mmmhmm June 11, 2009 5:38 PM PDT
By that thinking, there may as well not exist coupons in the world for people who would cut them out and take them to the store... and just like with coupons, some people will take the extra savings, and a lot of people would rather write off the cost of effort as not being worth $12.
by kcotham June 11, 2009 5:43 PM PDT
What a joke! Should have been more like $400 million.
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by dhavleak June 11, 2009 6:57 PM PDT
Dude - seriously - try thinking before you type or at least before you form an opinion. There is zero information in the article above, and based on this comment and your next one, you don't have any insight into the case either. So what are you basing this opinion on? Blind hate?
by Xenite227 June 11, 2009 7:34 PM PDT
Having some MAC nerd rage huh lol
by lvcsslacker June 11, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
Quiet Macboy... Your fanaticism angers all sides.
by Vegaman_Dan June 11, 2009 10:04 PM PDT
Why not $400 billion? WHy not have the company shut down tomorrow, liquidate everything, fire everyone, and give all that money to the state instead?

It sounds perfectly reasonable, right?
by kcotham June 12, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
Dear Trolls,

I remember reading about the case when it first when public. $40 million for a company like Microsoft is a slap on the wrist (especially when it means $12 rebates). $400 million would be a penalty that they'd actually feel and would mean more money in those end user's pockets and actually help the state of Mississippi a greater amount.
by Vegaman_Dan June 12, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
@kcotham:

"$400 million would be a penalty that they'd actually feel and would mean more money in those end user's pockets and actually help the state of Mississippi a greater amount. "

Point of order here.

In order for you to make your claim to get paid, you'll need to provide your proof of purchase indicating you did indeed buy the product in the state of Mississsippi during the affected period of time. If you have that sales receipt, then you're good. If you have since thrown out this receipt from 5-8 years ago on a system you likey don't even have around anymore, then you cannot file a claim for the money at all.

Very little of any of these class action lawsuits results in real money being handed out. The lawyers get paid first, then they set up the agency to dispense the refunds- but only after agency costs are covered. By the time you are done, little if any, has actually been paid out.

This is very common in the legal arena. It's not Microsoft's call either- this is all the legal system in effect.
by kcotham June 11, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
Or better yet, have Microsoft pay to migrate then entire state to Linux or another alternative operating system altogether.
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by monkeyfun14 June 11, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
Yes so users can scratch there heads trying to figure out how to install programs that require using the terminal.
by tektaktyks June 11, 2009 7:35 PM PDT
yea,and hang bill gates!LOL
by Vegaman_Dan June 11, 2009 10:06 PM PDT
Excellent idea. However, if you choose to have them migrate to Linux, then you'll have to defend against the lawsuit from Apple for excluding them- you know, discrimination and all that. But if you pick Apple, then Red Hat and Ubuntu will sue. In fact, even OS 2/Warp would sue as well.

The problem with blanket statements like that is that they just don't work when you actually start thinking the concept through to the conclusion. It sounds like and righteous, but fail in process.
by ExWinUser June 12, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
Would be nice but the majority of windows users are computer illiterate. It's very hard to teach old dogs new tricks. All microsoft does is rearrange the menus around n their os and apps, and the windows commuinity think "wow it's better".
by danielco June 12, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
Dear ExWinUSer
commuinity is spelt with one less 'i'.....Community. Maybe you should start using spell checker in your version of MAC Office

urs trewly
ill itter hate win user
by ckh1272 June 12, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
kcotham-You would really stop with the "troll" posts. You really make a fool out of yourself and make other Mac users sound like fools. The Windows camp has their "trolls" too (in fact, i see a few on here that do nothing but slam anything to do with Apple. You know who you are), but it has to stop sometime on all sides. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but this non-sense has to stop, so" real" people can have "real" discussions. I am sure I am asking for the impossible though. Good luck "real" people.
by kcotham June 12, 2009 10:47 AM PDT
@monkey
Any IT professional worth his salt would be able to migrate to Linux without any major difficulties. And the terminal isn't necessary for most installations. It might be necessary for some server set up however, I admit. But once again, if they are worth their salary, no problem.

@Vega,
Keep on reading between the lines and nitpicking, it's what you're best at.
by Vegaman_Dan June 12, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
@kcotham:


"Keep on reading between the lines and nitpicking, it's what you're best at. "

Well, if you don't want people to read your comments or respond to them, there's a simple solution- don't comment.
by kcotham June 12, 2009 11:27 AM PDT
@Vega

I expect people to read what I wrote, not try to put words into my mouth. That's what you are doing. I shall now attempt to annoy you like the buzzing insect you are. If I don't, I will undoubtedly say something that will invoke the ire of the editors.
by dwinks June 11, 2009 7:22 PM PDT
@Monkeyfun14 Linux is and has been more user friendly than Windows for at least a few years.

Hardware support is better (I have an old, but functional scanner that absolutely doesn't work with Vista - the company that made it is out of business - it works under Ubuntu though), installation consists of clicking next a few times and typing in your name, etc. Vista installation is much better than XP, but still much worse than most linux distros. Plus you can surf the web, IM friends, etc while installing linux.

In fact, on a clean install I can create text documents and pdf's with OpenOffice, graphics with Gimp, etc. Of course Windows has notepad and paint...

Oh, and my brand new Gagabyte GA-MA790GP-UD4H motherboard doesn't have NIC drivers built in on Vista, and XP doesn't even see the hard drives unless I slipstream text-mode SATA drivers in my install disk, which is FAR FAR FAR harder than any text-based linux program install (which is never needed under pretty much any normal circumstances). Let me tell you, it's super fun installing Vista on a brand new computer, then realizing that crappy Windows doesn't have drivers for extremely common hardware (like my Realtek NIC), and finding out you can't go online and download them since you, well, don't have NIC drivers.
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by Xenite227 June 11, 2009 7:38 PM PDT
Linux is a niche product just like MACS, never has been nor will it ever be mainstream. Lack of support, lack of drivers (specially 64-bit) lack of sofware and it goes on. Linux is fine if you want to only check email, surf the net and do other basic tasks other then that it's worthless, end of story.
by monkeyfun14 June 11, 2009 8:57 PM PDT
Hardware support is better?

Now your just kidding yourself.

You pick one printer and that automatically voids all the hardware that Linux won't work with?

Look Vista will install drivers for many devices with no connection to the internet wasn't my experience with windows.

More user friendly? How so? Why is it that I have to type the file name of a program to install many programs for linux?

"In fact, on a clean install I can create text documents and pdf's with OpenOffice, graphics with Gimp, etc. Of course Windows has notepad and paint..."

When I installed Ubuntu I had to install those programs they weren't already installed. And I can get those same exact programs for Windows. Btw photoshop is where its at not gimp.

A brand new Gigabyte motherboard not having XP and Vista drivers but working fine in Linux sorry I find that hard to believe and the disc that doesn't come with the motherboard doesn't have drivers either?
by naijadev June 12, 2009 3:21 AM PDT
@Xenite227
Hardware support on recent Linux (Ubuntu) systems from my experience is far better than any windows system (95, 98, ME, XP, and Vista) I have used so far. I don't need device drivers for my printers, phones, Camera etc. . I just plug and play.

And as for work, I develop applications using Netbeans or Eclipse as well as Dreaweaver using wine. For office productivity, OpenOffice is more than capable.
by ckh1272 June 12, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
"by monkeyfun14 June 11, 2009 8:57 PM PDT
Hardware support is better?

Now your just kidding yourself.

You pick one printer and that automatically voids all the hardware that Linux won't work with?"

monkeyfun14-He said "scanner". S-C-A-N-N-E-R. Scanner. Other than that, I actually agree with you. Linux has some plusses, but overall it is still not very people friendly to the novice user. It has made strides, but it does not compare to OS X or Windows, when it is all said and done.
by Zer0Wolf June 11, 2009 7:29 PM PDT
The article doesn't mention what the reason for all this for in the beginning. Anyone enlighten me please?
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by sanenazok June 12, 2009 7:06 AM PDT
State governments wanted money from a successful company.
by Software_Lover June 11, 2009 7:41 PM PDT
What was the law suit for in the first place?
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by Collin1000 June 11, 2009 7:43 PM PDT
.....and why exactly was their a suit to begin with?
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by QuetzalcoatlUSA June 11, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
Who knew they use computers in Mississippi. Wow, learn something new every day.
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by BlutoNYC June 11, 2009 8:23 PM PDT
LOL My thoughts exactly.

BTW, Q was a cool movie back then. I still remember the bikini girl sunbathing on the roof just before that thing got her. :-)
by truckerfromhell June 12, 2009 5:34 AM PDT
Why don't you drop by Mississippi some time and actually LEARN a little about us before making such a childish comment. Mississippi is a great place to work and live, and yeah, we have computers down here in God's Country.

As to the lawsuit, MS sued MS (you figure out which is which) in 2004, claiming that anti-competitive practices by MS resulted in people paying more for software than they would have otherwise. This was one of several similar suits filed by states. As I don't use MS Office (the principal "offender"), I won't be getting a voucher. Poor lil ol' me...
by kcotham June 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
@QuetzalcoatleUSA
That was un-called for. While I'm not a native of Mississippi, I certainly see the insult in that and I'm sure other do too. Back off, Yankee! ;-)
by ckh1272 June 13, 2009 2:47 AM PDT
Ignorance is no excuse for stupidity.
by dwinks June 11, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
@Monkeyfun14 There is no reason to "type the file name of a program" into anything to install software. If you are referring to going online, reading about some software and seeing "to install "awesomenewprogram" just type "sudo apt-get install awesomenewprogram" on the command line doesn't mean you HAVE to, just that it's tons faster than opening up any one of dozens of point-and-click package mangers.

I honestly don't know how you can think that copy-paste of a few words of text into a terminal and hit enter is somehow harder than clicking on a link to a download site, downloading some random setup.exe file, browsing to where you saved it (sadly not an easy feat for some users), double-click it and accept whatever stupid license agreement it has. Then click next a ton of times, remember to UNCHECK all the of "install spyware toolbar for internet explorer, then finally install the program. Get in too much of a rush and presto! you have yet another stupid spyware toolbar installed. I do part time at-home support, and the average number of IE (and firefox) toolbars is at least 4. I've seen IE windows that literally show more toolbars than webpage.

No version of Ubuntu has ever NOT had Openoffice and GIMP, unless you downloaded the server version for desktop usage for some unknown reason.

And at that, I'm done discussing anything with someone who didn't make it past 3rd grade when they taught the difference between "your" and "you're". I'm not an English major, and I'm sure there are likely some grammar errors in this post, but seriously, your vs. you're...
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by monkeyfun14 June 12, 2009 12:38 AM PDT
Why should I be required to copy and paste it at all why can I not just double click and launch it?

And btw installing something in Windows is as simple as clicking the download link and hitting run no saving anywhere no need to access terminal.

Also picking out grammar flaws on a online comment board is nothing short of pathetic.
by ExWinUser June 12, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
That's why monkeyfun14 is a windows user. To computer illiterate to understand what you are talking about. He probably thinks Bill Gates wrote the windows operating system too.
by Vegaman_Dan June 12, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
@dwinks:

"And at that, I'm done discussing anything with someone who didn't make it past 3rd grade when they taught the difference between "your" and "you're". I'm not an English major, and I'm sure there are likely some grammar errors in this post, but seriously, your vs. you're... "

Wow. You have some issues there, it seems. Do you have evidence of Monkeyfun14's school history or are you just making it up? In order to make such accusations in the name of being correct, you certainly must have such evidence to back up your claim.

Please present your evidence and we will all know what is true. Otherwise, correcting a person while making things up yourself somewhat derails any possibility of credibility.
by Vegaman_Dan June 11, 2009 10:11 PM PDT
According to other news sources, this was brought about in a lawsuit in 2004 claiming that Microsoft was engaged in anticompetitive conduct that caused consumers to purchase extra software they did not need if there had been other software makers producing a comparable product.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Microsoft-settles-Miss-apf-15506691.html?.v=2
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by smsdownloadd June 11, 2009 11:56 PM PDT
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by sanenazok June 12, 2009 7:09 AM PDT
This case lasted five years. The end result is a $12 coupon to customers. How many millions did it cost to prosecute and defend this case? It's completely idiotic on top of everything else given the FREE software choices out there. If someone in Louisiana doesn't want to pay for Windows + Office, why not go for the Linux that's perfectly suited to the office job. MS should be able to set prices and if you don't like it, get a Mac or slap Linux on that box. I'm just glad the state governments don't have the ability to print money. Otherwise there would be hell to pay.
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by Vegaman_Dan June 12, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
It paid for the lawyers. They have to have jobs to pay their bills too.
by sanenazok June 12, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
That's the thing, at least the prosecution was not private "lawyers" it was the freakin' state. So if I paid taxes in Mississippi I would be pretty miffed that they spent all of this time working this case only to walk away with a $12 coupon.
by kcotham June 12, 2009 10:51 AM PDT
Hence my comment for the stiffer penalty that meant something. Thanks for expanding on my point.
by masonx June 12, 2009 8:09 AM PDT
Since the article contains zip background info on the history and basis of the suit in order to reference the news - either Fried or the editor or both are incompetent journalist. Assuming that the IT public follows (or cares about) the tedious legal exploits of MS, the state MS, or lawyers in general is beyond reason.
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by Michichael June 12, 2009 9:54 AM PDT
The big winner here? The lawyers. Oh, and the state of Mississippi gets 40 million. Everyone else is just an afterthought.
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by sanenazok June 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
The state's yearly budget is $14 billion a year in services only (http://www.mepconline.com/images/admin/spotedit/attach/4/Budget_Fact_Sheet_FY_07_Final.pdf). So the $40 million refund to the state is about as useful as a $12 for an individual. If the state needs money it should not spend it on apparently overpriced software or raise taxes instead of using the courts to extract settlements.
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