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June 2, 2009 3:15 PM PDT

IE6 forcing Bing as default search engine

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft confirmed on Tuesday that it is looking into an issue in which users of Internet Explorer 6 are forced into having Bing as their default search engine.

"We are aware of the issue with Bing on machines running IE6 and are investigating a solution," Microsoft said in a statement. "This issue is not impacting IE7 and IE8 users."

Although it is only affecting its older browser, many people still use IE6 and Microsoft has faced a lot of over how default search preferences are set and changed within Internet Explorer.

The issue crops up just as Microsoft plans to formally launch Bing. Among its planned promotions is a huge ad campaign as well as an event Tuesday night at Seattle's Space Needle.

The IE6 issue was noted earlier on Tuesday by Search Engine Land.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by adam_moore June 2, 2009 3:40 PM PDT
I know how to fix this issue. For the love of goodness people please upgrade your browser to something other than IE6. You are killing the web development community in wasted man hours. If you own a company and you are standardised on IE6 you are losing more money from web developers having to fix IE6 issues than you are saving from not upgrading. Bite the bullet and just do it.
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by f3rny_py June 2, 2009 4:00 PM PDT
I agree..IE 6 to IE 7 should be a critical update for windows..also, it's a headache for us (web designers) to make webpages that looks good for IE 6..
by Eddie-c June 2, 2009 4:04 PM PDT
Actually, IE8 is now regarded as a "Critical Update" per Windows Update however (Adam), your comment shows lack of thought given the current economical climate and the plethora of layoffs companies have done. Where are they supposed to get the money for developing, testing etc to make sure their intranet functions fully given the differences between something they standardised on and a newer version which make break things and impact the company far more heavily.

Yes, IE6 is now arcane, however corporations cannot simply "wave a wand" and make it go away.
by t8 June 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
IE is the biggest headache for Web developers full stop.
Even IE 8 doesn't implement CSS2 properly.

IE is so far behind the other browsers now, the only people that use it as their default browser know no better.
by sting7k June 2, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
Have you tried IE8 eddie? It's not near as bad as before. Ever since the last update to FF3 it has had major issues for me and many people I know; it locks up and crashes at least once a day if now more. Happens on Vista and XP machines. Has driven me to IE8 for a working browser until Mozilla fixes it.
by sting7k June 2, 2009 4:42 PM PDT
Edit to previous, supposed to be @t8, not eddie-c; sorry.
by t8 June 2, 2009 5:21 PM PDT
Yes I use IE8 at work and it freezes up quite a bit.
I am a web developer so I have Chrome, IE, and Firefox open to test my work.

IE8 freezes on me when IE7 didn't.

Also IE8 still doesn't implement CSS2 properly. e.g., padding in div tags.

When I create a site it is done on standards and if the code is good, it displays well in Chrome and Firefox. When it comes to IE, I always know there will be problems, and then I have to work out how to get IE to display the site correctly too. Bloody annoying because you end up adding heaps more code or creating a style sheet for IE.
by gggg sssss June 2, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
and corporations care aboutteh quotes web development endquotes in what way? Why not have that group of arrogant slackers just accept that IE6 is teh standard for now and move forward. In other words, if IE6 wont support it, dont bother.
by benjwah June 3, 2009 12:46 AM PDT
gggg ssss - Agreed.

If web developers don't like coding for IE6, they are welcome to get other jobs.

If you wanna be a web developer, get to know IE6 very well.

Doctors don't complain about the blood.
by t8 June 3, 2009 2:34 AM PDT
Yes but Doctors can complain about stupidity that leads to having cure something.
In other words Microsoft's IE6 is unnecessary stupidity that has been mass bundled to the world and because of that, we have to cure their problem. IE8 is still a problem too.
by Michichael June 3, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
Yup, because there's totally another browser for Windows 2000. Do you know how hard it is to get the capital approved to replace ~ 900 windows 2000 machines that are 7 years old?
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by t8 June 2, 2009 4:07 PM PDT
Oh, it is a mistake. We will fix it. Yeah right! How come it doesn't default to Google? What are the chances?

This strategy will work for Microsoft because it will either result in Bing traffic going up by which point they can say that the search engine traffic is growing, or people will hate Bing and upgrade the browser.

This is a perfect example of why I try to keep away from that company. They always try to force things onto you. People choose Google and Microsoft has to force people to use their one.

They haven't changed one bit.
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by benjwah June 3, 2009 12:39 AM PDT
Yep. About 10 years ago, someone at Microsoft inserted code into IE6 to make it default to Bing. Makes perfect sense.

Think it through.
by t8 June 3, 2009 2:38 AM PDT
@benjwah

It is all about forwarding URLs.
The old IE6 URL goes to where ever they point that too.
Where they point it is purposefully done, and the fault doesn't lie in the IE6 development days, but today.

You probably don't know about that by the sound of it.
by C_Urrea June 3, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
Hallelujah!!! You see the light or you ate the same day old pizza I did. Either way I totally agree with your statement.
Just for grins I went to "Ding" to check it out (FF3.0.5) and decided to look at the page source. Yeesh! Looks like a dead dog rotting in a junkyard in July. B L O A T E D!
by lkcor June 2, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
How does this even happen? IE6 is old, bing is new, how does IE6 even know to use bing?
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by G|Net June 2, 2009 4:35 PM PDT
I'm wondering that myself....perhaps it's redirecting from some 'Windows Live Search' or 'MSN Search' mechanism within IE6?
by 09brent June 2, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
Bing is a rebrand of the Live Search (MSN Search) so the old addresses (search.live.com and search.msn.com) get redirectd to Bing now.
by myles taylor June 2, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
Does this surprise anyone? Is it even wrong? People won't stop using Google just because "Bing" is the default. I can hear people going....what's bing?
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by sanenazok June 2, 2009 8:04 PM PDT
Just like people don't have to use IE even though it's the installed default. Oh wait, that's apparently a monopoly. Can't bundle products, you see, if you're MS.
by istill316 June 3, 2009 6:39 AM PDT
But you can if you are Apple! (or Firefox working with Google)
by BogusBasin June 3, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
MONOPOLY. Learn it. Understand it. The decision to prevent MS from bundling is strictly applied to companies that have been legally identified as a MONOPOLY. Think Apple holds a monopoly? Too bad. Until they are LEGALLY found to hold one, they and other companies will not be bound by the same rules as MS. Are we finally clear on this? I didn't think so.
by sting7k June 2, 2009 4:37 PM PDT
I wondered why Bing was my default search all day today at work; where I am forced to use IE6 by DoD. ;( No wonder our cyber security is so poor...

I thought that it was just the launch, it says Bing on the MSN home page for the serach (default home, not changeable). Although Bing is now coming up in place of LIVE search on FF3 and Chrome for me now at home.
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by 09brent June 2, 2009 5:31 PM PDT
Bing is the new version of Live Search. Live Search was rebranded to Bing when Microsoft released the new search engine. The old Live Search is no longer available.
by t8 June 3, 2009 2:40 AM PDT
@ 09brent

I think the point is that if your search engine was Google it has gone bung and is now bing.
by 09brent June 3, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
@ t8

I was refering to the comment sting7k made "Although Bing is now coming up in place of LIVE search on FF3 and Chrome for me now at home"

The reason for that was because LiveSearch is now Bing.
by Aaron Kempf June 2, 2009 5:07 PM PDT
I agree.. anyone using Firefox or IE6 should just upgrade to IE8.

Until Firefox / Chrome meet _ALL_OF_THE_FUNCTIONALITY_OF_THE_WORLDS_MOST_POPULAR_BROWSER_ then they are not really a solution at all.
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by Dalkorian June 3, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
Every variation of Internet Exploder needs to be taken behind the woodshed, shot to death and buried under no less that 12 feet of Earth. It's supporters deserve the same.
by gggg sssss June 2, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
and if that is a sin, why is the google home page continually trying to get me to install Chrome? Why does a java download ( and lots of others ) try to do a drive by install of the google toolbar. Why does an install of Quicktime try to do an isnatll of iTunes? Why does an update of Flash or Acrobat reader try to install AIR. ***?
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by benjwah June 3, 2009 12:48 AM PDT
Right on.
by t8 June 3, 2009 2:42 AM PDT
I think the point is, you are asked if you want to do this or that with Google and others.
IE6 (Microsoft) forces users to use Bing. No choice in the matter.

Imagine that, Microsoft forcing users to use their crap. Who would have thought.

:)
by June 3, 2009 3:26 AM PDT
My wife was nearly tricked into installing Chrome this way; she thought it was part of gmail.

She can not understand concepts of having different web browsers any more then she understands the concept of having to choose what grade of steal her next car is made of.

The only thing that stopped her installing Chrome was it says she needed Vista or XP, but she knew she had an older version of office.

Sorry folks, if your sites (and software) don?t work on what normal people have on their PCs without them having to even know what browser they have then a lot of people will not use your site. Given that most firefox users know how to switch to IE, but most IE users don?t know how to switch to firefox, if you had to choose only one to support?
by EcuadorHomesOnline June 3, 2009 6:31 AM PDT
Good point. I really HATE it when programs try to install useless toolbars along with whatever it is you really want. Microsoft is actually quite good about that compared to Adobe, Sun, Apple, etc.
by Dalkorian June 3, 2009 10:21 AM PDT
@EcuadorHomesOnline - right, because M$ doesn't bother 'confusing' their victims with choices, they just force their own solutions down your throat. Why would a slave need choices anyway, don't you like the cruel whip of WGA telling you how to use M$'s computer? What, you thought *YOU* owned your computer? HA!

Mac users own their computers. *nix users own their computers. Winblows users are slaves to the whims of M$, own nothing (regarding their computer, of course) and are an affront to the thinking computer owner.
by t8 June 3, 2009 2:49 AM PDT
I asked my wife if she had heard of Microsoft's new search engine. She hadn't. I thought this was interesting because she is an average punter when it comes to computers.

I explained Bing to her, and she replied why do we need it. Everyone uses Google and Google isn't broken.

I thought that was a fair point. Not to say that shouldn't compete with Google, but that it shows that people only change when they need to. If they are happy with the way they do things, they won't change.

I think Microsoft have a big hill to climb here. In the past they may have been able to do it, or resorted to bundling if they couldn't. But now they have to compete against Google and this is why I think Bing is bung.
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by SJ2571 June 3, 2009 3:21 AM PDT
Hmm, my IE6 doesn't use Bing by default, it's still using Google as set. Ina should check his facts.
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by krizhek June 3, 2009 5:34 AM PDT
@SJ2571
Sounds like you either A) Manually set your default search to Google or B) Your Admin did. If IE6 is left at its default you'll go to binq
by skyscraperjim June 3, 2009 6:16 AM PDT
Its high time that the internet leaves IE6 in the dust. It is nearly a decade old now and many of its major rendering bugs were never fixed. Remember Netscape 4 anyone? History repeats itself.
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by rizarsurf June 3, 2009 7:29 AM PDT
Where are the antitrust lawyers? Bug my behind! If Google pulled anything even remotely sneaky, the antitrust regulators would be, oh, wait they already are all over Google. I gotta hand it to Microsoft for buying a lot of politicians and government "support".
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by Dalkorian June 3, 2009 10:22 AM PDT
money talks ...
by RickMK June 3, 2009 9:00 PM PDT
I just installed IE8, and it is forcing Bing as the Default search!
I cannot make Google the default search (which of course is what I want) and it is impossible to remove Bing, on IE8.
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by servermaker June 4, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
I've not had that issue, at all. Using google as default on IE 8.
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by cheinyeanlim June 8, 2009 5:50 AM PDT
For years, Microsoft has tried to shrug off its reputation as a monopolistic tyrant. Today comes news that seems to undermine those efforts pretty badly.
http://www.pupuweb.com/blog/bing-as-default-search-engine-in-ie6/
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by wgoldman66 July 10, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
IE8 for me and bing is default. cannot change. Nice. All that arguing over go to ie8, upgrade from ie6 and what happens, problem still there in ie8. What a bunch of twits! How do you fix the problem? I don't care about your petty microsoft if bad or good junk.
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