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May 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT

Microsoft may lift application limit for Windows Starter

by Ina Fried
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With Windows 7, Microsoft may lift one of the biggest limitations of its Starter edition--the restriction that the operating system run no more than three applications at a time.

Blogger Paul Thurrott said in a posting Friday that Microsoft plans to remove the restriction, without elaborating.

Microsoft neither confirmed nor denied whether such a move will take place.

"We continue to work on developing Windows 7 and have nothing new to share at this time," a Microsoft representative said on Friday.

With Windows XP and Windows Vista, the Starter edition was sold only for use on new PCs sold in emerging markets. With Windows 7, Microsoft said it would also sell Starter in developed markets such as the United States as an added option for low-cost Netbooks.

Separately, enthusiast site TechARP wrote Friday that Microsoft plans to change its rules in terms of what hardware qualifies for the Netbook designation. Microsoft declined to comment on the report or its plans in that area.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.


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by slickuser May 22, 2009 2:18 PM PDT
instead it will come without any apps and users will be encouraged to download sharewares
with virus...
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by monkeyfun14 May 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT
What?
by Mark_Anderson May 22, 2009 4:41 PM PDT
Seriously though, either Ina is using trolling ghost IDs to push up the clicks - which I doubt - or CNET really needs to start wielding the banhammer.
by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
UAC, ASLR, Windows Fire Wall, Protected Mode, InPrivate Mode, System Restore, Windows Defender, Startup Repair, Safe Mode plus Antivirus and Windows Update. With all those defenses 'slickuser' if you still manage to get a virus in Windows 7, you more than deserve it.
by slickuser May 22, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
@Mr.Dee

Wow! Thats a long list features Microsoft had to implement to prevent users getting virus... geez...

Thats fine!. Tell me are there any apps users can use for regular tasks in Windoze?
by Vegaman_Dan May 22, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
@slickuser:

Clue. Get one.
by tm_anon May 22, 2009 11:16 PM PDT
It's hilarious that Windows needs so many different apps just to defend itself, especially since the last piece of software MS came out with as an all encompassing fix for viruses and malware ended up not doing much of anything except for using all the system resources available for itself.

I read these blogs mainly to keep myself informed for those around me still using Windows. I'm using Linux with a built in AV and a built in firewall. along with a limited user set up by default. That's all I need. It's more than Windows XP had, it's better implemented than the security in Windows Vista and is already here where as Windows 7 is not. Actually, there will be a new version of Ubuntu out around the same time Windows 7 comes out and it still won't cost me anything.

Well, maybe MS will get it right one day.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 7:11 AM PDT
@slickuser. crawl back into the hole you came from, troll.
by The_happy_switcher May 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT
Maybe a better name would be Windows Kindergarten Edition. That probably would serve 98 percent of all Window's users needs.
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by Renegade Knight May 22, 2009 3:08 PM PDT
That model works for OS X, so what's not to like?
by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
Apples Mac OS is the pioneer of the term 'dumb down' interface. You must be proud.
by Perry_Clease May 22, 2009 6:48 PM PDT
"Apples Mac OS is the pioneer of the term 'dumb down' interface. You must be proud."

Too bad you don't meet the minimum requirements to operated it.
by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
You are very right Perry, I am not dumb, so I don't meet the requirements of a dumb down interface such as OS X.
by kojacked May 22, 2009 9:39 PM PDT
I didn't know pre-schoolers had access to computers in the classroom...
by Vegaman_Dan May 22, 2009 10:41 PM PDT
@AppleRocks1963:

Once again you demonstrate exactly why Apple fanboys are mocked and ridiculed worldwide. You're not helping people to *want* to convert to Mac if they have to be associated with folks of your mindset and reputaiton. If your goal is to turn people off of Macintosh with your comments and behavior, then you are doing an excellent job.

Apple has done a wonderful job of insulating the end user from the OS. I prefer working from a terminal window on my MacBookPro, but that's just me. I like a terminal and command line. OS X gives you the option of both a GUI and powerful command line.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
Just ignore the troll applerocks. He's an apple fanboy to the extreme and all he can do is post insults. He knows he can't take on windows 7 on merits alone because he loses. So, he insults it and does a **** poor job even at that. Sorry, dude. The smear campaign does not work. Even apple has realized this. Just how often do you see mac/pc ads anymore? People are not buying the slander campaign. They're not as stupid as you are. You're about as effective as the PR man from the cigarette company claiming smoking isn't bad for your health. Scream all you want, it's not working.
by Renegade Knight May 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT
It takes extra code to create artifical restrictions. That would make Starter Edition actually cost more to develop than the next higher version.
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by The_happy_switcher May 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
Yes and they even have gotten a patent on it.
Microsoft wins patent for kidnapping parts of Windows, holding them for ransom:
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/21173/
by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
Apple has also held third party developers of the iPhone at ransom, they can't even get a developer discount to test iPhone applications to help build Apple's own (ego), eh, platform.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/05/developers-worried-by-apple-change-to-app-store-review-policy.ars
by The_happy_switcher May 22, 2009 11:36 PM PDT
@Dee--Yeah, it's so bad that thousands are learning how to program for the iphone and new apps are being added already to the 40000+ available right now. It's a real disaster, huh?--/Sarcasm. Meanwhile RIMM and Microsoft are scrambling to catch up but its too late--as usual.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with microsoft removing the 3 app limit on windows starter. Applerocks, if you can't say anything relevent to the subject of the article, then find some other place to troll.
by Mr. Dee May 23, 2009 11:01 AM PDT
AppleRocks, the iPhone has a market share of 15 million, Windows is on over 1 billion PC's and the fact remains, Windows Mobile Devices still outnumber the iPhone and iPod Touch combined. Not to mention Apple has its work cut out for it with Nokia, Palm and Blackberry. I respect the iPhone anyway, but you are absolute disgrace to the platform.
by The_happy_switcher May 23, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
@Seaspray: I was responding to Dee's comment about the iPhone, ****.
by Hunnter2k3 May 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
If they aren't going to drop it, at least up it to 5 ;)

But in the end, i think they will drop it, because quite a few programs run with separate instances. (including virus scanners, firewalls, and even Chrome)
Either that or add a new flag into Windows that will allow you to specify that an application that is being executed is a child process (if it isn't already there)
But this leaves open holes that could be used by any programmer to create their own "Run" program.
(i know they have whitelists for certain applications, but keeping them up-to-date is a massive hassle, and is made worse for those without internet connections)

Yeah... they should just drop it, it will be cracked open in a matter of days, it is more effort than it is worth.
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by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
Good point, Hunnter2k3. Yes, applications can use more than one thread. I think it would be better for the consumer if they dropped the restriction.
by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 5:47 PM PDT
Ina Ed Bott is reporting that this has not been confirmed.
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by irondog1970 May 22, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
I'm glad my netbook has Ubuntu, without any restriction (not to mention free).
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by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
The only problem is you are incompatible with rest of the world. Try configuring your graphics drivers and then you will see a whole different side of Ubuntu.
by disa86 May 22, 2009 10:27 PM PDT
Mr. Dee
It is obvious that you have never even tried to run Ubuntu, or any other linux flavour in general, let alone on a netbook. Therefore you must a mac fanboi, as it is only from those sheep that we hear such ill-informed and uneducated statements.

FYI, there was not one driver I needed to install manually to get the Acer Aspire One fully working - just install the 9.04 "Jaunty" from the USB. The whole process took less time than finishing the XP install (about 30 minutes, plus the time to download the 700 mb .iso if you want to get really cute). Ever so glad to have that particular piece of Micro$*** software forever removed from my computer.
by tm_anon May 22, 2009 11:20 PM PDT
I was going to respond to Mr. Dee but dia86 said exactly what needed to be said.

By the way, the only software I've ever seen that's incompatible is from MS. Just look at the "implementation" of .odf files in Office 2007 with the newest service pack to see what I mean.
by Maccess May 23, 2009 4:11 AM PDT
@disa86 Thanks for your totally irelevant "mac fanboi" connection.

@Mr. Dee That "incompatible with the rest of the world" argument is so 1990s. The net runs mostly Unix, in case you forgot. If there's anything incompatible around the world, its not coming from the *nixes.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 7:59 AM PDT
Actually, the part of the world that runs linux is mostly confined to web servers. Desktop linux is almost non-existent (google marketshare and you will see for yourself). This has nothing to do with the merits (I think linux is a worthy OS), it's just what the masses as individuals decide. If you use it on your desktop, thats fine by me (it's your choice). Mr Dee, please do not insult ubuntu. While it's not yours or my choice of OS, it does very well for those that use it. Please respect their decision and make sure you know what you're talking about before you make any claims on it's functionality. Here's how it really is...

Graphics manufacturers are unwilling to release drivers for linux because they are afraid their proprietary software will then become open source. The linux community has done a good job of creating drivers for the cards. While the linux drivers may not take full advantage of every feature the chips can offer (only the manufacturer knows how to do the software for that), they do provide good functionality for roughly 90% of what the chips can do. The linux community has had to deal with this for many hardware manufacturers other than graphics cards but all in all, they have done a wonderful job of providing drivers (usually reverse engineering the OEM's existing drivers) and they do it for free without being paid. Ok, they're not perfect, but you can't help but admire the work they have done and are providing free of charge. They have earned their respect.
by Mr. Dee May 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
Well I installed Windows 7 Ultimate beta and it took less than 14 mins and I have the cleanest Device Manager ever, no complaints.
by t8 May 22, 2009 7:23 PM PDT
They did it because they don't want Android to take hold in that market.
But in doing so, they create an expectation as to what Windows is really worth. Ten percent of its current price at least.
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by queticomn May 22, 2009 7:37 PM PDT
I wont even look at a M$ purchase after being ripped off buying winME and winVista.
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by Mr. Dee May 22, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
Windows ME's only fault was that it did not deliver much difference over Windows 98, but there was no problem with the OS overall. It introduced features like System Restore, Compressed Folders, HTML based help interface, and digital improvements such as Movie Maker.

Windows Vista's only fault was the device drivers were not ready at RTM along with some applications. Those issues were resolved in the first six months of its release and the OS has experienced positive reception and strong adoption since. Post like yours are very unrepresentative, you are just regurgitating the words of a few early adopters who got burnt because they were trying to run Vista on 1999/2000 hardware. Netbooks came out after Vista and were game changers especially where resources and usage was concerned. Most first generation could run Vista, its just that the disk space availability was not there to support the OS. I remember back in 2007, most Netbooks came with 4 to 8 GB SSDs. Even if I was getting one for free, it would still be worthless to me, my Music folder alone is more than 8 GBs.

If you are not seeing the benefits, I am sure you will have a harder time with Linux. Vista introduced better security, built in multimedia tools and efficient use of resources like memory and processor utilization. Do the research and you will see, Vista is not a rip-off. So stop spewing crap.
by pentest May 22, 2009 9:48 PM PDT
ME was an unstable pig. It delivered nothing but problems.

Vista's only fault? What are you smoking? Vista is a failure and a pig.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 8:06 AM PDT
@Mr Dee. Windows ME is not what you think. It was prone to crash. Also, in the original release, defragging the hard drive would corrupt the operating system into an unusable mess. The kernel was based more on windows 98 so it didn't do a very good job of running without the underlying DOS. But that's all in the past... ancient history.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
@queticomm. Strange you should only mention winME and winVista. You completely ignore win95, winNT, win98, win2000, and winXP... all of which were very successful and well liked. The upcomming windows 7 is receiving rave reviews. If you don't want to use windows anymore, then don't. Adios. Bye. I suspect you'll come back from time to time so you can complain about windows ME and vista again. That'll be historical as well as histerical.
by Mr. Dee May 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
Seaspray0, why did you bother to leave out System 7.5, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9? Those versions lacked basic pre-emptive multi-tasking and memory management. Lets not forget about the buggy series of OS X releases. 10.0 was slow and 'buggy' didn't work with anything, other wise known as a nightmare release. 10.1 was no better, still buggy and incompatible, 10.2 was still trying to play catch up. In all, Mac users have duped since the mid 90's. All the fundamentals in OS X today were already in Windows since NT 3.1. Also, tell the Mac OS X Team do a better implementation of ASLR.
by bugreport May 23, 2009 9:21 PM PDT
Yep, Windows 98 and ME were total rip-offs - Bill Gates should have been put behind bars for that - not rewarded with billions of dollars!. Windows 2000 and XP on the other hand were pretty stable but from what I understand they borrowed quite a few ideas from the *NIX world - it's easy to forget that once upon a time, Windows was a UNIX company (remember XENIX?).
by ikramerica--2008 May 22, 2009 9:46 PM PDT
Vista's "only fault" was not that drivers weren't ready. It's that it was bloated and slow.
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by tm_anon May 22, 2009 11:22 PM PDT
correction, it still is bloated. Ubuntu 9.04 takes less space and runs on less RAM than XP yet it has at least as many "perks" as Vista without the annoyance of the UAC.
by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
correction. That depends on what you consider perks. What someone else wants can be entirely different. The rest about vista still being bloated, I would agree.
by pentest May 22, 2009 9:47 PM PDT
hmm, run an OS that has stupid restrictions or run a superior OS with as many applications as is possible given the hardware. The latter also has a superior and flexible scheduler so it can run more apps without issues. Tough choice, Linux wins.
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by kai-ote1 May 22, 2009 11:01 PM PDT
I was forced out of 98se because M-soft stopped giving security support updates.I like xp pro, and was afraid I would have to get vista soon for the same reason. But, I get to keep this computer[as a backup at least] until 2014. When I build my next gaming rig has been postponed until Windows 7, Service pack 1. It will rock for what I want.Now if I could only find a good used apple laptop for wi-fi hotspots......
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by ZetaZeta_ May 23, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
To comment on the article, if Microsoft lifts the app limit, that's a good thing. That's all I can say.

As for the comments on this article, do your own research and buy your OS accordingly. Maybe write an article on your blog or start working for Consumer Reports. However commenting on a CNET article because your (bad) opinion that "windows sucks" or "macintosh sucks" etc. is going to accomplish nothing.
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by kineard May 23, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
First off ME and Vista both suck because of lack of stability. The two are not stable for different reasons at least which means maybe MS is not making the same mistakes twice. Just learning to make the same mistake in different ways. I like Linux and the ideas behind it but it is only good for a couple of segments of the market. 1. Yea you guest it Geeks. 2. Specific application use, servers and the like. 3 Very low end users people who just want to check email, surf the net and maybe write a few docs here and there.
Example I am stuck on Windows or Mac. I do photography work and I have at least three specialized applications for doing this work. Stuff like PT Gui. Find me an alternative that is effective on Linux and I am gone. Hell even developers don[t work on Linux. Which sucks. Hell maybe Linux has some good RADs available now. I doubt it. As Linux starts to grab the low end users maybe some of these more specific apps will be ported over. Most user just want a pc for basic use anyways. The Linux benefits are huge if you are not knowledgeable about computers. I recommend everyone who is a novice to use Linux or Mac. Anything but Windows.
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by Seaspray0 May 23, 2009 8:26 AM PDT
Right off the bat, you made a stupid statement. Vista does not suck on stability. Almost every stability issue was traced back to drivers written by the hardware manufacturer. Do your homework.
by danielhodge May 23, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
I tried the Windows 7 beta and was impressed. Even though it reminds me of KDE, it's a intuitive interface that was easier to navigate than Vista. I could get more work done and I actually enjoyed doing it. I found myself wishing some of those features were available on my mac. I'm looking forward to the Windows 7 release.
It's also a smart move to scrap the "3 apps at a time" limit. During my daily workflow, I often have many apps and windows open at the same time.
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by codynews May 23, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
The RAM/CPU of the netbook itself will limit the apps running at a time. no need for MS to build something into the OS.

I have netbook.. while it's fine to take when traveling, it's a slow pile and could never replace my "real" machine no matter what people say. once you're used to a proper machine with a fast modern CPU, 4GB of RAM and real graphics, it's hard to use a netbook for day to day work.

Cody
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by The_happy_switcher May 23, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
Dee: Not sure why you are comparing number of iPhones to PC's world wide. How is this even relevant or important? The fact is Microsoft is losing market share in practically all their endeavors and will continue to do so.
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by blafouille May 23, 2009 4:09 PM PDT
I run all this OS on a network and i have fun...Be ready to put your hand on your wallet because all what they want is to run 3D and high def,in the short term because they know the addiction of the consumers...
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by aSiriusTHoTH May 24, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
Oh children... waste of time. There is no best operating system, there is only what is best for you.

I am glad they are getting ride of the application limit for Windows Starer, as... they should!
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