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April 28, 2009 6:52 PM PDT

Microsoft wraps up Vista update

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft has wrapped up work on the second service pack update to Windows Vista, the company announced late Tuesday.

The update provides, among other things support for Bluetooth 2.1, an updated Windows search technology and the ability to natively record data to Blu-ray discs.

In a blog posting, the company said the update should be publicly available later this quarter. Microsoft is also ending a blocker tool that prevented computers from downloading Vista Service Pack 1, so those customers who had been using the tool will now see Vista SP1 offered via Windows Update.

The update has been in broad testing since late last year. A near-final release candidate version was issued in February.

Microsoft said earlier in the day that it was releasing the second service pack update to Office 2007. Windows Vista and Office 2007 had their mainstream launch on the same day in January 2007.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by slickuser April 28, 2009 8:23 PM PDT
sure, why would they continue to work on it when they are already working on SP3 and release
it as Windows 7...
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by 1g2j April 28, 2009 8:51 PM PDT
Get a Life
by Inconnux April 28, 2009 9:57 PM PDT
Service pack 3 isn't going to be released until the end of the year/ beginning of next year...
by blafouille April 28, 2009 8:25 PM PDT
Microsoft want people to spend their money when they do not have to...throwing the money through the Window 7...
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by slickuser April 28, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
They have to earn back the 5 billions dollars they wasted on making Vista. So, they don't have a choice other than calling Vista SP3 as Windows 7 and force users to shell out $99+ just 2 years of releasing Vista...

This is a scam! DOJ what they heck are you doing?
by sharmajunior April 28, 2009 8:48 PM PDT
That was a good one.

LMAO.........."throwing their money through Window 7".
by ooprus April 28, 2009 11:02 PM PDT
And how often do new versions of Apple's OS X come out? It seems like 6 releases since 2001, most of them costing user bucks to upgrade.
by shellcodes_coder April 28, 2009 8:26 PM PDT
After using Windows 7, there's no going back to Vista :)
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by ITcomposer April 28, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
I must say u are a bit off there SLICKUSER, vista was released in late 2006, so therefore then by the time the first computers ship late this year it will likely be the 3 year anniversary of VISTA's RTM. Furthermore the only reason vista failed was the device driver manufacturers decided they were going to cash in on vista and not write new drivers for slightly aged hardware (think 3 year old printer) so the users and the media, and yes....APPLE joined the bashing bandwagon and now here we are, the other reason is that vista brings the server code to full circle, where XP was a client operating system on its own trunk of the WHISTLER Tree, separate from WHISTLER SERVER, which became SERVER 2003, Vista and Server 2008 are well, the same, so it broke a lot of apps in trade of security, so there.

When it comes to the sys requirements, sure its a change of pace from ms but really, was anyone expecting to run this thing on a Pentium 3? and 256MB of ram, come on... When it comes to 7

I've seen the screenshots and well it looks like MS has photocopied the MAC OSX dock with a 50% accuracy otherwise they'd get sued the pants off by jobs and his compadres, im glad they god rid of the sidebar as it leaked memory, even on sp1, i detest MEDIA PLAYER 12, it looks, well.. hideous, the fact that they stripped it to the bone, im happy about but to answer your question with a question...

WHO'S FORCING U TO UPGRADE MATE?

PS: The only reason vista felt rushed was that when they built the mosnter atop of xp, and looked at it, they saw the abomination and tore it down, and reset on the WINDOWS SERVER 2003 SP2 Core, so it could be granulized (at the install level) , WINDOWS 7 adds thsi to the feature level.

Sincerely

My 2 cents worth on the vista shinanigans

PSS: I own 3 wonderful VISTA SP1 Machines which are nothing short of awesome!
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by adhetola April 28, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
@ITcomposer: i love your reply man, objective!
i have two vista machines & they both run flawlessly! but I have to admit win7 is better. i'm rather curious to see what the "get-a-mac" ads will hav to say on that one...hmmm...? in the mean time...i'm counting down to win7 release, & a new laptop too :)
by Inconnux April 28, 2009 10:10 PM PDT
Vista failed for several reasons

- OS Bloat, why buy new machines and get worse performance than XP on a machine with half the specs.
- UAC nagware
- backwards compatibility... with both hardware and software (When XP came out you could use W2K drivers if there wasn't any XP ones ready). Major programs wouldn't work... think AutoCad
- Poorly planed out UI. People were used to finding programs in generally the same place and Microsoft in their wisdom decided to rename and move !@#$ all over the place for no apparent reason.

The apple ads only brought to light problems that window users were experience in a humorous way... they didn't cause the problem. Out of all the people I know only ONE person likes vista, all the others would trade their machines for an XP machine if they could... Vista has almost been out for three years... and it STILL doesn't have half the users as XP does.

Talked to my cousin the other week and she works at a major office supply store in their computer department... she said that more people have returned machines because of Vista frustrations than any other release of Windows...

What will Apple do when windows 7 is released? pretty simple they will just show people that it is Vista repackaged.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/153624/under_the_hood_windows_7_is_vistas_twin.html
by David Dudley April 28, 2009 10:36 PM PDT
Apple will spin that, but the UI on Windows 7 is different enough from Vista that it might be hard for the average user to swallow. Because, anyone could say the same thing about the MacOS (tiger vs leopard vs sylvester vs lion-o). But, marketing is clearly not about accuracy as anyone who owns an iPhone can attest to after seeing the lightning speed of the iPhone in Apple's commercials, but have to suffer the slowness that is the reality of the iPhone (just trying playing with the iPhone Notes app to see what I mean).

And why oh why would MS work on SP3 for Vista? There are clearly companies out there running Vista who may want the upgrade. And of course this could be the last of the major SP's for Vista post Windows 7.
by dhavleak April 29, 2009 12:41 AM PDT
@ Inconnux:

Your slip is showing. Let me just repackage my last response to that nonsensical link you posted:

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Based on the working set (memory) and thread count of the kernel, we're supposed to conclude that Vista and Win7 are the same?? ***?

Educate yourself man:
http://channel9.msdn.com/shows/Going+Deep/Mark-Russinovich-Inside-Windows-7/
(If you don't want to use silverlight, select a different fromat from the drop-down just below the video).
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And the last time I posted it, you dismissed the link as MS propaganda. You should think twice before you dismiss mark russinovich (of sony rootkit discovery fame) thusly.
by TyvdAheksy April 29, 2009 2:34 AM PDT
@Itcompser:
The dock used in windows 7 is actually taken more from windows 3.1 if you google images of it you'll notice it has a dock. In an interview with a Microsoft employee which I believe was feature on lifehacker some time ago, they explained how they were going back and reviving the idea they used for the taskbar back on windows 3.1; Windows 3.1 was out before Mac ever used a dock. Windows 3.1 was out in 1992 however, the first Macintosh dock came with Mac OSX which was in 2001.

I may be wrong on some of this but I believe for the most part that it's accurate.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 8:07 AM PDT
for all those conformists/fanboys/who ever the f u r!

Vista didn't fail as bad as you or any other say it did:

XP was king for like 5+ years. After many updates and improvements pretty much the whole Galaxy used XP @ one point (before Vista and OSX) SO NATURALLY all the programs, businesses, little green Aliens adopted to XP. And Microsoft SLEPT!
So then they came up with Vista, A completely new (better) operating system, BUT nobody [ not businesses, not programs, not the computer hardware, green aliens ] were fully prepared for the switch!

So why did people switch to XP from previous windows so much easily??? SIMPLE ANSWER ----- Time!

XP came not too long after 2000, and even then A large portion of people were on Win98, so there was a BIGGER migration from 2000 & 98 to XP .... than the migration from XP to Vista.

It is much harder to--Businesses, programs, THOSE GREEN ALIENS--to adopt a new system when they are so used to their old system, and when they have used it for so long.
by odubtaig April 29, 2009 8:29 AM PDT
No, sorry, when MS themselves are saying they made a ******* of mistakes with Vista _espcially_with_UAC_, a level of "security" even hardened Linux doesn't employ because it's obviously counterproductive, trying to make out the problems are all cause by anyone but MS is going to fly like a fruit.

Microsoft's whole line with 7 is "Yes, we got Vista wrong, we fixed it". Given the feedback and general reports I've seen (do I ever not have the time to BETA test) this is absolutely the case.

So, given that MS have admitted they screwed up in a lot of ways where Vista's concerned, where do you get off trying to make out that it's everyone else's fault? Who are you anyway?

Oh, and in answer the the dumbest question ever "WHO'S FORCING U TO UPGRADE MATE?":

My old laptop died.
My computer wasn't powerful enough any more and needed replacing.

Those are the two primary reasons and, please, don't ******** abou 'downgrade rights', how many people outside the IT community even know about those? Hmmm?

*********.
by gjl229 April 29, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
MS struggled with Vista because the previous versions of the OS, under the leadership of Bill Gates, had evolved to a kind of Gordian knot. As the development badly faltered, and Vista was already late, Jim Allchin told Gates that Vista could not be written under MS software standards (or lack thereof). At that point they were having a lot of trouble just getting Vista to compile. That is not a good sign.

Allchin urged Gates to create and enforce architectural and coding standards, automate testing to verify that the standards were met, and generally take an extremely (for MS) rigorous approach. The expected battle ensued , Gates worrying about creativity, but Allchin was eventually able to persuade Gates to support the move to rigor. The alternative was no Vista at all.

By that time Vista was very late. MS decided that it was more important to quickly get out what they could using the new environment than to begin again from a blank slate and add a lot more time to a badly-delayed project.

So we have an OS that nearly failed entirely - rescued at the last minute by a remarkable staff who were focusing on a new archictectural approach, new coding standards, new tools, and a culture in transition. So there was a lot that just didn't get done (or re-done) properly.

We are beginning to see the impact of the new approach in Windows 7. It appears to be on time, more efficient, more stable, more modular, more secure, and does all that without an immediate requirement for more hardware or CPU cycles.

Please remember that it was Allchin who wrote the famous "Microsoft lost its way" memo, noting that he'd buy an Apple if he were in the market at that time. He retired when Vista was released and pretty much vanished. Too bad.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 8:47 AM PDT
Try Vista on a Good new computer. If you done have some specific program that isn't compatible with Vista you will see how much better it is!

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpcustom=Windows+Vista

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=Mac
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 8:49 AM PDT
@ odubtaig

you have any sources that Microsoft said that Vista failed?? maybe a non MAC website please!
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by guest86 April 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT
Oh my god! I still stick with Windows XP. Microsoft waste money and our time. Skip Vista and buy Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 or 2 will be good enough. I will wait until year 2011 to 2014 to keep eye on Windows 7 news more longer. I wish for all old programs and old games must work on Windows 7 by 100% percentage please!!!! Dear Microsoft, please do not make people angry or complaint! Please allow old programs and PC games to work on Windows 7. People wish Microsoft to fix problems and make us and people really happy like Windows XP Service Pack 2 come out once again. ROLL BACK TO THE FUTURE to lift strict for old applications and computer games to work on it. That one what we are talking about it! Please bring all old memories back on Windows 7 without problems!!!

Can Microsoft rename Windows 7 into Windows XP SE or something like that. Like revolution and special operating system? I want to see how things change in the future!

Do not buy Vista! NEVER buy Vista and you lost your money and waste your time to become angry like complaint! Please keep eye on Google and how to manage your mind more better learn from many features and list on them.

I heard new Service Pack 4 will release out for Windows XP around this end of year or next year. Both are update and ISO (CD image with full update inside) for your Windows XP operating system to upgrade more stable like Blu-Ray or higher(support 500 GB on single disc), USB 3.0, BlueTooth 3.0, SDHC (support up to 32 GB on any digital camera memory cards) and keep go on.

I keep eye on Google News forever! I don't want miss many new things are more value for me to learn many new things come out.
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by monkeyfun14 April 29, 2009 3:20 AM PDT
There is no new updates for XP only security patches.
by BigGuns149 April 29, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
Calling Windows 7, XP SE would seem stupid. Windows 7 has far more in common with Vista than XP.

Furthermore, I am glad that Microsoft has decided to eliminate the legacy code. The handful of people who want to run legacy applications can do so through virtualization. There doesn't seem much reason of why an OS should need GBs worth of compatibility layers that will rarely get used.

Since XP no longer is getting non-security updates the chance that there will be an SP4 is virtually nil for XP.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 12:56 AM PDT
Vista isn't as bad for personal computer s as people say is it. I consider it better that my previous XP. Ya it has a few issues, but on a new computer is actually pretty good.
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by EcuadorHomesOnline April 29, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
I agree - I have two computers with XP and two with Vista. Some things about Vista are great, others aren't. The biggest thing that bugs me is all the pop ups asking "do you really want to do this?" --- if they can get rid of 99% of those, then I'd be perfectly happy with Vista.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 9:18 PM PDT
ya as it looks Win7 will hopefully address those.

also REALLY looking forward for them to develop "Good touch screen hardware" for me to get Win7 when it comes!
by fcs25 April 29, 2009 4:45 AM PDT
Outside of the newer hardware required for Vista there's nothing wrong with the OS.It is much improved over XP.I have 4 computers and two of them are 4 1/2 years old,they all run Vista with no problems.
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by Mark_Anderson April 29, 2009 4:59 AM PDT
For those who use Vista: Sweet! I'll download it when available making a good OS even better.

For consumers who use XP on new non-netbook machines: LOL! Welcome to 2009, retards.

For existing consumers and businesses who use XP: Fair enough but of no interest to us yet.

For people who use OS X: What are you doing in this topic?

For people who use Linux: Oh shut up. Both of you.

Think that covers it.
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by pdbrickhouse April 29, 2009 7:25 AM PDT
I usually get great amusement and frustration out of reading these threads. I've never felt compelled to leave a comment, but just couldn't help myself....

"For people who use Linux: Oh shut up. Both of you.",

Very nice! Now make sure your brace yourself for the factoids coming that show there are more than 2. Damn, they will be correct too. Missing the humour and the point entirely.

And because I've never posted here before... I'll throw in a quicky about MS and open source. If it wasn't for MS, IBM would be running your SHT entirely. Apple would still be second with a great piece of software, well designed and as rigid as hell in it's requirements for developers (this is a great plus, advantage and hinderence). For you factoids and fanboys of OS and Apple (which I have no problems with at all), why don't you actually think about the MS approach past and present/future rather than bashing. If it wasn't for the even empire, your access to everything would be different and more costly. For those that think for a second that if Apple had been able to win the PCs wars of the 80s and 90s, it wouldn't be the evil empire.... LOL @ you.

Thanx Mark!!!!!!!!!!

OK... that's my years of trolling first Rant.
by odubtaig April 29, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
Nah, if it hadn't been for IBM being really thick and not patenting their BIOS they'd be running... sod all because someone else would have replaced the BIOS with something non-proprietary.

MS just got lucky that they made a deal for the one computer that was going to be copied all over the world (and weren't they the second choice as well? Something about the first choice being unavailable for talks?).
by Mark_Anderson April 29, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
@outthingy

Or it was because they had the sense to realize it was about software not hardware.
by odubtaig April 29, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
How would that have mattered if they hadn't fluked piggybacking on the world's first non-proprietary hardware platform with IBM's second mistake of not putting any exclusivity clauses in the contract? If someone else had sold a deilberately open hardware platform with someone else's O/S on it negating the need for Phoenix to reverse engineer the IBM PC BIOS because of the lack of commercial potential then MS would most likely be a lot smaller today.

Yes, what they've done with the opportunity that fell in their lap is creditworthy but they'd never have got where they are today without one extremely lucky break.

After all, Richard Stallman realised at an earlier date that it was about software, not hardware. I don't see you singing his praises.
by pdbrickhouse April 29, 2009 3:00 PM PDT
"the world's first non-proprietary hardware platform". Wasn't it nice of IBM to open source that without a fight.
by pdbrickhouse April 29, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
Damn, I got started....

If it wasn't for the fact that MS invested in Apple in the late 80s/90s in cash and products, the beatdown that Apple had received to that point would have been fatal. Make no mistake about it, at that point MS saved Apple. For purely selfish reasons IMO (think AntiT), but nonetheless.
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by TheDeadGuy_88 April 29, 2009 6:32 PM PDT
It seems that whenever a microsoft articles comes up it's the "EVILZ M$" or "VISTA SUX" comments that clog up the review thread. As for Vista myself, I'll admit that I've only recently got it- a student deal let me get Ultimate SP1 for only $80 AU. I heard about the bad driver compatibility but it seems to be resolved. Vista runs better than XP for me, looks and feels nicer and it's not THAT hard to find your way around the new configuration. UAC is annoying, yeah, but not that hard to switch it off.

Plus, they fixed up the Windows Search function so that it's actually useful. Say what you want about XP, the indexing and search functions sucked.

Say what you want about Vista, I'll probably ignore it. It works well for me, plays my games a tad better than XP and I haven't had a BSOD once when compared to XP. I also remember when XP came out and the struggle it went through until they fixed out the bugs. I'd say the same with ME...but, yeah, we all know that that was a bad idea. Say what you want about Microsoft as well, but a 90% market share is still a 90% marketshare at the end of the day.

Anyway, about the article. Cool, a new Service Pack sounds great. I love the news about improving the search. Like I said, I'm a big fan of the Vista search menu and I rarely use desktop icons anymore, clutters up my awesome backgrounds.
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