Amazon, Microsoft reject 'Open Cloud Manifesto'
Updated with a link to the Open Cloud Manifesto document.
The cloud-computing field may be in its infancy, but there is a fight breaking out at the preschool.
A group of Web services providers, reportedly including IBM, is set to unveil a "manifesto" next week that lays out a number of principles for open cloud computing. Two of the biggest names in the field, though, say they aren't signing on.
Microsoft posted blog message to that effect on Wednesday night, while Amazon.com on Friday said it, too, is not among the companies signing the document.
"Like other ideas on standards and practices, we'll review this one," Amazon said in a statement. "Ideas on openness and standards have been talked about for years in Web services. And we do believe standards will continue to evolve in the cloud-computing space. But what we've heard from customers thus far, customers who are really committed to using the cloud, is that the best way to illustrate openness and customer flexibility is by what you actually provide and deliver for them."
Amazon noted that over the past three years, it has made its Web services available on different operating systems and programming languages.
Microsoft, for its part, said there were some things it agreed with in the manifesto, but others that were either too vague or did not reflect its interests. The company also objected to the fact that it was shown the document just last weekend, not allowed to make changes, and given just 48 hours to decide whether to sign.
"We were admittedly disappointed by the lack of openness in the development of the (Open) Cloud Manifesto," Microsoft's Steven Martin wrote in the blog post. "What we heard was that there was no desire to discuss, much less implement, enhancements to the document, despite the fact that we have learned through direct experience. Very recently, we were privately shown a copy of the document, warned that it was a secret, and told that it must be signed 'as is,' without modifications or additional input."
Martin wrote that "it appears to us that one company, or just a few companies, would prefer to control the evolution of cloud computing, as opposed to reaching a consensus across key stakeholders (including cloud users) through an 'open' process."
Although the document has yet to be released, one of its proponents, Enomaly's Reuven Cohen, has said it will be will be released on Monday. In a blog post, Cohen suggests that there will be at least a dozen signatories of the document, including "several of the largest technology companies."
"The manifesto does not speak to application code or licensing but instead to the fundamental principles that the Internet was founded upon--an open platform available to all," Cohen said. "It is a call to action for the worldwide cloud community to get involved and embrace the principles of the open cloud."
Cohen also posted a follow-up blog thanking Microsoft for the attention generated by the rejection of the manifesto.
"In one move, Microsoft has provided more visibility to our cloud interoperability effort than all our previous efforts combined," Cohen wrote.
As for the manifesto itself, we'll have to wait until Monday to see it, but Cohen's blog and this site give some idea where they are headed.
Update at 1:30 p.m. Friday: Turns out, the manifesto is even more open than we thought. We found it online here. For more information on the Open Cloud Manifesto, read our first take.
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina. 



Real cross platform and cross company standards allow you to keep and use your own data and IP. Being locked into one format that's incompatible with another is no way to run your own business. It's hurting my own business in that something that was supposed to make our job easier is being outdated and outmoded and I'm using the same platform. When we lost our hard work due to incompatablity that's time and money being thrown down the drain.
The issue is real even if you don't agree.
Did you even read the Manifesto? There's nothing in it to object to unless Microsoft and Amazon are planning on breaking standards and ensuring lock-in to proprietary tech.
In other words, unless MS and Amazon plan on punishing you both for using their tech and for leaving their tech, there's no reason to reject the Manifesto.
It states quite clearly that innovation is welcome. In fact, everything it says is exactly what has been needed in the software world for a very long time.
Without open standards there would be no internet and no web.
"Microsoft, for its part, said there were some things it agreed with in the manifesto, but others that were either too vague or did not reflect its interests."
It's that last section of the quote that is the entire reason I'm against MS in this one. Amazon didn't flat out refuse the idea of it, but MS did.
Though it was stated that they didn't have enough time to review the document, they still have objection to it and, from reading the document, any objections MS has can only point to a desire for customer lock-in. It's how they operate.
The document won't stop those 2,3 or 4 major players from rising to the top. In fact, all the document will do is ensure that the 2,3 or 4 major players that do rise do so by being better than the rest, not by bullying and using underhanded tactics. Imagine what the world would be like if everyone had a completely free choice between different software vendors because standards were enforced. I can promise there would be a lot less crap around and a lot more innovation replacing it.
It's not so much about the content, it's the sneaky way that IBM others have gone about writing the Cloud Manifesto. Actions speak louder than words, dude.
In other words, MS and Amazon were given the chance to join the group which wants standards and standards compliance from all. It's a restriction on everyone and a freedom for everyone as well. They just gave up their chance to have a voice as to what standards get used or created.
"In one move, Microsoft has provided more visibility to our cloud interoperability effort than all our previous efforts combined," Cohen wrote."
I think this was their intention all along.
I think I'm going to write something about how I think MS and Amazon should operate, then give them 48 hours to agree to it, and if they don't I'm going to cry foul. Hopefully cnet will pick up my grievance!
Cody
Right now, Amazon is top dog. Google can jump in and be right at the top as well. There are many other, better companies than MS who will support standards.
If Microsoft don't support it Google might.
Amazon's web services around managing your assets in the cloud is very mature, and works very well. I bet Microsoft is in a similar position with it's Azure product they're launching. While a business just looking at jumping into this space would probably be eager to sign, I would not expect a company like Amazon (who's an early pioneer bringing this to consumers) to be so welcoming. This doc is so vague, and asking them to sign as-is? Get real.
It's a good Manifesto, really good. You should read it before commenting.
Clearly swayed in the direction of encouraging vastly increased costs for businesses paying to access the software *they will never own nor control*, while simultaneously decreasing costs for those offering the software (and giving them absolutely no reason for reducing selling price).
THE NET RESULT: Any business that uses the internet to access software they don't own will be held hostage for additional price increases, *assured* of security theft, will lose control over any proprietary data (clients contracts, price lists, unit production costs, corporate strategies, etc., etc.), require yet another high-priced I.T. to show what went wrong (when it non-stop does), and on and on.
If you actually allow your business to participate in any form of cloud computing you will pay and pay again for that decision, and good luck.
As for cloud computing I am not ready to place my data on someone else?s computer, pay every time I use an application and maybe looses my rights to my data. What will you do when the company hosting your application decides to change the rules of ownership or go out of business with insufficient notice for you to move all your data to another site?
I will shut up if you can show me another company that did so much to supply such integration and ease of use. When I saw, 16 years ago, a six year old showing an eight year old how to use a computer I knew someone was moving in the right direction and that someone was Microsoft.
MS is not offering integration or ease of use. Windows and Office are among the most difficult OS's and office suites to use and configure.
Your glorification of MS is ignorant and scary.
Maybe you should try not putting walls around every argument you want someone to make. Open source code is written with interoperability in mind specifically to allow for users of Windows, OS X, Linux, BSD and any other OS to be able to use the software.
This means that, yes, it will run on Windows. Now, name several programs which won't run on any other OS besides Windows and you'll see the point pentest was making. MS causes lock-in, forces it by lack of standards compliance.
I didn't see them making any counter-points to the Manifesto and the argument from MS for why they didn't sign actually points to them wanting to lock customers in.
They are a bigger web presence than Amazon and Microsoft combined and Cloud Computing is in their DNA.
Now where did I put my copy of the Communist Manifesto?...
BTW, I have this bridge you might be interested in...
Hugo Chavez perhaps ?
- by quikboy2 April 1, 2009 2:08 AM PDT
- You guys are so harsh. Just because MS and Amazon aren't interested in this so-called "Manifesto", doesn't mean they don't do or try open standards. Sheesh.
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