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Buxton: Microsoft starting to get design

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Microsoft researcher Bill Buxton speaking at this week's Mix 09 design conference in Las Vegas.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET)

LAS VEGAS--When Bill Buxton talks about good product design, his favorite example is the Avalanche beacon he takes with him on his ice climbing expeditions.

"It's a technology that I bet my life on," Buxton said. "How many (of those) do we have?"

The product he said is fairly complex to do and yet the market for it is small. "Precisely because of that, there are no frills. You don't add features. There are no gratuitous features."

Buxton, a former Xerox PARC researcher who helped pioneer the technology behind multitouch interfaces, says he will literally throw the device at the first person who tries to cram in an alarm clock or something else. But, he said, he likes to use the beacon when talking about design because it doesn't elicit the kind of emotional reaction that comes from citing some tech industry product, such as the iPhone.

"I like that example because it is one that is removed from most people's experience," he said. "They can approach it at the level of the issues without prejudices."

The beacon, Buxton said, is an example of a device that is meant to be a single-purpose device. At the same time, he said, the real challenge today is actually in integrating all of the technology that is out there. We have access to more devices than we can carry and yet they do a very poor job of talking to one another.

Buxton joined Microsoft's research unit three years ago to help infuse a sense of design into the company, which is not known for its prowess in that area. Much of Buxton's work these days centers on developing theories of how disparate devices and technologies can work together.

"If I look at Microsoft, I think your experience with Microsoft is not going to be determined with what your experience is with any single Microsoft product."

Microsoft tapped Buxton this week to help the company speak to Web designers at the annual Mix event in Las Vegas. As for his broader goal of helping Microsoft become a more design-oriented company, that's still a work in progress.

"We don't get it all the time but we are getting it more," he said.

For more from Buxton, check out the video interview I did below.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by mmmna March 20, 2009 6:19 AM PDT
"If I look at Microsoft, I think your experience with Microsoft is not going to be determined with what your experience is with any single Microsoft product."

This assumption is absolutely incorrect in my case. Suffering the same experience with 4 versions of Windows (3.1x, 95, 98/98SE, XP) was enough to send me to Linux. I count Windows as one product which has had major revisions over the years. My experience is bad mostly for the persistent obsolescence of my hardware, and that hardware has always been a MAJOR expense for me over the years.

Today, I look at Vista & W7 and I just scratch my head: "What is Microsoft THINKING?".
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by Grifter02 March 20, 2009 7:06 AM PDT
I don't understand your argument. You just said your experience with Microsoft has been determined by your experience with multiple Microsoft products ("Windows 3.1x, 95, 98/98SE, XP"). So, doesn't that mean the statement is correct?

That wasn't the point of the original statement anyway, IMO. He's saying that they're trying to make every device you have work together, with Microsoft being the backbone of that connectivity. So even if every device isn't perfect, you will still end up having a good experience overall because of how well they work together.
by B-Ri March 20, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
I think Microsoft is thinking the same thing any company is. How do I improve my product to make it more appealing to more people. They, like all companies, don't get it right all the time but they have improved the experience along the way. Having used 3.1 through XP you should be able to tell that for yourself. Obsolescence is just a fact of technology. What is always said is that the latest version of Windows requires too much resources. They have made improvements there as well. I know this specifically because I loaded the Beta for 7 on an old X40 notebook. With XP it was a dog even with a gig of RAM. 7 loaded fine and windows were snappy and overall appeared to be an improvement over what came with the laptop.
by goodspeed8701 March 20, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
@mmmna Why is it that linux is free and yet people buy a mac for $1000? why is it that linux is free and yet people dont know they exist. i used ubuntu and i dont have to install it just run it from the cd. and i most say xp is light years better. i will compare ubuntu to windows millenium. i still use it sometimes and its so almost useless. open office too cant compare with ms office. never you guys compare it with os x or vista/windows 7 cos it will sound stupid.

i hated it when i cant play mp3 without downloading something first. just like how the old realone player was doing. linux sux...
by Mr. Dee March 20, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
Try running Ubuntu on a 233 MHz with 128 MBs of RAM. Nope, you can't, maybe you can, but will it be usable? Definitely NO, but it is with Windows XP, that's called reducing TCO. Linux breaks your hardware way more than Windows. Windows Vista introduced compatibility issues with device drivers simply because its a major revision which a lot of IHV's didn't invest in initially. That has changed though and Vista is more compatible than ever. I am sorry if your 5.25 Floppy is not being recognized by Vista, move with the times.
by Button Boy March 20, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
Linux is the "OS for the Unemployed". It takes me two days to get Linux up and running in it's most primitive form. Another week to find, download and then install the base applications needed to do my daily work. Then there is the tweaking so that the desktop manager works te way I do.

With Windows, it takes me an afternoon to do all that. My time is worth more to me than the price of Windows & Office.
by Sourdust March 20, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
@mmmna, the computer obsolencence you're refering to between Win 3.1 in 1992 to XP in 2001can't be blmed on Microsoft. Hardware manufacturers, game developers and other software makers pushed the envelope that led to a lot of new hardware. We went from 256 color 800x60 displays and sidescrolling 2.5D games that fit on a couple of floppies to realistic 3D, hi-rez that shipped on multiple CDs. You're blaming Microsoft for a period of incredible innovation and competition in hardware and software development could be taken by some as a complement.
by zelrik March 20, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
@Mr Dee : A friend of mine recently bought an expensive professional laptop with all the high end versions of Vista/MS Office etc.... After trying to fix it with the help of the computer guys at work, she sent it back and got a new laptop with XP on it... so dont say Vista is good, it's not.

@Anyone who look down on Linux, you guys need to remove the **** from your eyes. Linux has been slowly winning despite strong opposition, and dont say Microsoft is not strong.
by DrtyDogg March 20, 2009 1:33 PM PDT
@Zerik: So just because a friend of yours didn't like it that means it is no good? Good logic there buddy. My best friend came over the other day, while here he used my computer. I was booted into Ubuntu and he hated it, per his request I booted into Vista. By your logic that would mean Vista is better right?
by rapier1 March 20, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
Umm.. Dee? You can run ubuntu on a pretty minimal set up. Like a 286 with 2MB. Less actually. Can you run the UI? No. But you still have a functional and useful system if you aren't afraid of a little CLI action.
by zelrik March 21, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
@DrtyDogg I know that a lot of people dont have any problem with Vista. But the class action lawsuit against Microsoft because of the 'Vista Capable' label shows that Vista might have as many problem as Linux or more on Hardware support. You have to add the fact that many people prefered to stick with XP because they didnt like their experience on Vista (I am talking about the interface here, not hardware).
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by supoman March 20, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
Geez and it only took them about three decades to get here. Now they can focus on stability too.
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by catch23 March 20, 2009 6:28 AM PDT
You obviously don't use XP, or Vista SP1, or Office 03 or better, or given Win7 a try.
Or any other software MS has released this decade.
An old, tired, and foolish argument.
by mrcockrell March 20, 2009 9:20 AM PDT
i have to agree with catch23

XP was pretty stable and i have run vista ultimare 64bit for a year now and i run various types of programs and work my PC to death on a regular basis.. never had a single problem, not one compatability issue not one crash or screen of death, runs great

i have to admit windows is finally pretty damn stable, cant wait for 7
by rcardona2k March 20, 2009 6:34 AM PDT
Design for Microsoft is easy: keeping copying Apple. R&D for free!
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by ckurowic March 20, 2009 6:49 AM PDT
Seconded ;) though they still do a horrible job at it. Come on, who can honestly say Vista or 7 looks good? All the icons are stupid and bubbly looking, clearly ripping off many Linux distros there. It in no way looks professional. The color scheme is just...awful, it has a slapped together look about it. Apples stuff on the other hand looks very refined, they put a ton of effort into the simple things like icons. Very very clean, high quality graphics.
by homercles82 March 20, 2009 7:47 AM PDT
@ckurowic

It's all WEB2.0 looking like A FREAKING MAC you retard
by B-Ri March 20, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
Why do we have to have the same debate every time there is an article about MS or Apple? Each company has merits. This is not someone saying MS is better than others. In fact Mr. Buxton specifically says they don't get it all the time but that they are trying to get it more. I love Apple and I love Microsoft. Both have given me products that have literally changed my life in some fashion.
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by homercles82 March 20, 2009 7:47 AM PDT
Most apple users have a snobbish sense about them. They have to because they just overpayed by 100 to 300% for something that "looks very refined, they put a ton of effort into the simple things like icons. Very very clean, high quality graphics."
by BogusBasin March 20, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
The whole Apple is more expensive thing - I disagree. But even if it is true, it is nowhere near as expensive as some of you make it out to be. 100 to 300%? You are a joke. There is so much more to the cost of a computer than the purchase price.

Why do I bother to defend Apple? I would actually prefer it if Apple remained a niche player. Less of a target for viruses. I used to argue with the PC types all the time, now I just sit back and smile as I watch them fight their computer day after day. You get what you pay for.
by Super2online March 20, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
ckurowic,

Your comment is typical of Apple OS users, it's all about the asthetics. This puts you on a candy high precipitating any one of a number of illusionary ideas that create the kind of comments you posted.

Google gets it and has created Chrome that is unmatched in performance, and it also happens to look good. Google gets it and has created the Android smart phone OS that analysts are now saying has a very credible opportunity to over take the iPhone.

Microsoft gets it. Thats why they have delayed Windows moble 7 and are creating a new OS from the ground up that is not going to be a me too iPhone. Microsoft gets it from the disaster of Vista to the memory sipping, usability improved, security reinforced, stable operating system from the very first beta that all the critics have been raving about.

The list goes on. Apple is not alone in their quest to create outstanding products that millions will buy. More power to Apple I say, we need hundreds more just like them in our country to help us out of our economic woes. But that doesn't mean that every product that competes with Apple just plain sucks, only because they weren't created by Apple!
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by iBuzz March 20, 2009 7:46 AM PDT
My biggest complaint about Microsoft's interfaces in general is that they try to throw so much stuff in your face at once. Anytime I use Microsoft software, I fell like I'm greeted with a barrage of toolbars and buttons and boxes... lots of "little arrow" buttons that drop things down or slide things out. It's as if their designers feel no constraint. "By golly, if there's an unused pixel somewhere for the taking, I'm going to take it!" It's as if they have no appreciation for the importance of empty space in layout. And the dialog boxes in Vista have become so verbose.

I generally use a Mac now, but I often have to use Vista on occasion. And, when I go back to Vista and have to work with files and folders in Explorer, I can feel my eyes and mind becoming fatigued in dealing with all of the clutter in the UI. This was something that I never noticed before until I started using OS X almost exclusively. I've found that working within the Finder in OS X is a much less mentally stressful experience that in working in Vista's Explorer. Finder's UI feels very clean and spacious. Explorer's is very busy, dense, and mentally taxing. It's like the equivalent of trying to read a book in a library vs. in the middle of Times Square.

Hopefully, with a new emphasis on design, somebody at Microsoft will finally get this. I know they have to be teaching this stuff in design schools.
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by scottthesculptor March 20, 2009 8:45 AM PDT
so far microsoft has excelled at forcing upgrades and putting in "features" that I don't use. changing the location of buttons and icons and animating them is not an upgrade.
adding the ability to put video in a text document is ludicrous.

I want the avalanche beacon of Oses. One that is designed to be the framework for other programs to run on - not a pretty collection of useless entertainment applications.
It also need to keep up with new technology without becoming obsolete in a single version. NT *could* do that - but Microsoft cares more about making money than making a good OS.

But then Microsoft doesn't make a lot of money off of me so I'm *not* their target consumer . . . just those idiots that actually buy into "new is better"
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by bradsharek March 20, 2009 8:58 AM PDT
Microsoft Design. Oxymoron.
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by The_happy_switcher March 20, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
Maybe Ballmer will try a salad some day, too.
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by elllroy March 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT
microsoft and design. they now get it? yeah, LOL. just have a look at the picture. what is the backround behind the old man talking ms marketing bubbles? a parody on TRON?
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by rwm72 March 20, 2009 10:21 PM PDT
Well, good luck Bill Buxton I say. You are certainly pushing the proverbial uphill, but it is a struggle many designers face, especially working for a company that puts design expertise very low on the priority list or does not really want to understand and embrace design, unless it can dramatically improve the bottom line.
I can't honestly see Microsoft ever matching Apple in design prowess in any area of business, but Microsoft didn't get where they are today by being great at design. The enterprises and consumers they service also don't have much regard for design or "fluffy" extras. Engineers and IT personnel also don't place much if any emphasis on design or the added experience it can create for the user. It is just seen as an added burden that reduces potential performance.
I see Google has also lost a top designer, who finds it stifling to work with a company ruled by engineers. Such is the neverending battle designers face. I know, I am one. Like Bill I won't give up because I am passionate about design. And code monkeys will always be devoted to their beloved code above all else, and there is nothing wrong with that. It just seems there is no room for tolerance between these 2 parties, except for token efforts at collaboration.
The only company in computers that places a high priority on design, and always has, is Apple. From the Apple II to today. Sure, there have been a number of major hiccups along the way, but their quest is never ending, and design is paramount in their quest.
Dell, and a few others, appear to be trying, but only it seems, to try and maintain their bottom line and appear cooler at the same time, or try to create a lust factor. They are not fooling anyone but the the most fickle or vain. Still it's good to see companies trying, even if it will ultimately make little difference or be futile.
So Bill has his work cut out, because, even though Microsoft are slowly understanding that good design can help enhance their business and their image, I wonder if they really care, beyond maintaining or improving their bottom line. Apple cares, and always has, and those consumers that care also will buy their products for years to come. The other 90-95% of people who don't really care or don't see a difference (other than a higher price tag) will be none the wiser anyway. Sorry Bill Buxton... but I applaud your crusade anyway.
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by fneedog March 23, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
Microsoft is the dominant player in this marketplace due unfair restraint of trade practices that are illegal. They have been tried and convicted of this civil offense in many jurisdictions. They have agreed to enormous financial settlements and independent monitoring in order to be compliant with settlement terms. At no time in the company's history have they developed (in house) a product that has been a legit, profitable hit that stands on it's own merits. They continue to derive income due to illegal and underhanded business practices put in place by B. Gates.

At no point in time has MS ever considered anything but ship date and share price in any business decision.
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