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March 11, 2009 4:00 AM PDT

Microsoft: Azure not pie in the sky

by Ina Fried
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A slide at Microsoft's Professional Developers Conference in October aims to show where Windows Azure fits in Microsoft's broader lineup for business customers.

(Credit: Robert Vamosi/CNET)

Microsoft is trying to convince folks that its cloud operating system is more than hot air.

The software maker unveiled Windows Azure at its Professional Developers Conference in October. Since then, the company has said that pieces of Azure will be ready in final form by the end of the year, but the company has been rather quiet about how Azure is doing.

In a phone interview last week, Microsoft senior director Steven Martin said that Microsoft has been adding more users to Azure every day, though he won't say how many people are using the service at this point.

"We are approving more and more developers every day," Martin said.

The company has also made changes to its storage model and pledged to expand the set of database services it will offer to include relational capabilities. An update to the Azure code was released in January and the company is set to give more details on its plans at next week's Mix conference in Las Vegas.

One of the things that makes Azure tricky is that it is just hard to wrap one's head around.

"We are at the point where a lot of people understand what they announced," said Gartner analyst David Smith. "It took weeks to understand that."

But while many are still trying to understand Azure, some businesses are writing actual Azure code.

Among the early Azure users are business software maker Epicor, S3Edge, and Micro Focus. Internally, Microsoft is using Azure for both its Live Mesh and LiveMeeting services.

Martin also said that a significant number of large businesses are kicking the tires themselves, trying to figure out what, if any internal applications might make sense to run via Microsoft's servers.

"While a lot of the folks that want to go public are the partners and the (independent software vendors), a lot of the day-to-day users of the technology are actually medium-size and large businesses that are either piloting or exploring the technology."

Epicor senior director Erik Johnson said his ERP (enterprise resource planning) software company is trying out Azure as a way to offer companion services to their traditional on-premise software. Azure makes particular sense for mobile devices, Johnson said, since it is hard for cell phones to get inside a company's firewall.

The big unknown, though, is how much Microsoft will charge for using Azure. Microsoft has said only that it intends to be competitive with other cloud-computing options.

"Our biggest leap of faith is that the pricing is going to be attractive," Johnson said. "That leap of faith right now is actually bigger than the technical leap of faith."

In an investor presentation last month, Microsoft's Doug Hauger acknowledged that customers want to know more about pricing, but declined to offer new details.

Johnson and others might not want to hold their breath, either. Although Microsoft is expected to release more technical details at Mix, the company is not likely to talk more about pricing, I'm told.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by ckurowic March 11, 2009 5:42 AM PDT
I've said it before, the US simply does NOT have the infrastructure or bandwidth to make cloud computing reliable, accessible, stable, or available in any meaningful dose. I'm not discounting it altogether, but come on. Being reliant on your internet connection for EVERYTHING? Having a single point of failure is not an option to many corporations, including the military environment in which I work.
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by homercles82 March 11, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
I agree. We are years behind other nations and charge more for lower speeds and lower access. The only Obama ever said during his campaign that interested me was increasing broadband access. We need to catch up to the world in speed and access. This goes for cell phones too.
by rapier1 March 11, 2009 8:16 AM PDT
We actually do have the backbone infrastructure to make this work. What we don't have is the appropriate last mile capabilities. Part of the problem is that the economic incentive isn't there and we don't have the political will to force it or the funds to do it as a government project. At least not on a national basis.
by Lumiseon March 11, 2009 5:53 AM PDT
Huh...cloud computing. Everything on one thing...erm...no thanks.
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by Mr. Dee March 11, 2009 7:05 AM PDT
It will be replicated and spread across thousands of data centers around the world. So even if one data center goes down, your data will still be up and running somewhere else, either another state, city or country. Welcome to 2009.
by rapier1 March 11, 2009 8:19 AM PDT
Thousands of data centers around the world? You better hope that you don't have latency bottlenecks in your code. Oh, and that you have a properly tuned stack. And that you don't have broken switches/routers in your path that break the winscale option. And that you have functional global PKI. And that you have real time data replication. And that you have full trust in every employee in the chain. Good times!
by xcal78 March 11, 2009 8:49 AM PDT
@rapier1

Is it hard work trying to sound cool?
by joyofsomeone March 13, 2009 4:57 PM PDT
Huh...Computers. Everything on one thing...erm...sure!

It's just defining it down even more, and allowing you to get at the same files, wherever you are!
by aussienick84 March 11, 2009 7:47 AM PDT
Ina - you must have missed the announcement covered by ZDNET yesterday - http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2273 - Microsoft anounced major updates to SQL Data Saervices, a major part of the Azure Services Platform. Microsoft have said that product announcments will be made strategically at events throughout the year. Next week Microsoft are having it's MIX conference aimed at Web Developers where they will be making some more announcments around Azure and TechEd in may will see even further udpates.
After developing Azure applications, i can say that Azure is not hot air - it is the next application platform.
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by Tui Pohutukawa March 11, 2009 8:43 AM PDT
Who needs this? I don't. I want MY data on MY computer, and backed up on MY HDs. This is only more big-brother and total surveillance technology.

MSFT, just go away.
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by maverick_nick March 11, 2009 10:23 AM PDT
You gotta gimme some of that **** you're smokin'!

Microsoft is no different from Google, Yahoo, Amazon, or even smaller guys like GoDaddy.
by monkeyfun14 March 12, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
@tui


MSFT doesn't care enough about your data to ruin their reputation and commit identify theft
by giveuntocaesar March 11, 2009 10:10 AM PDT
@ Tui

This isnt about YOUR data on YOUR computer, this particularly is about hosted datacenters for high availability enterprise applications. Live Mesh is a product that would be for YOUR data on YOUR computer...

Whether you like it or not, this is the way things are going. Lower operating costs, fewer administrators needed resulting in lower IT department overhead, less need to pay for customer support... Whether corporations adopt it with Google, Amazon, or Microsoft, the future is in the cloud, -and the cloud is right around the corner.
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by sal-magnone March 11, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Folks, you may want to go take a look at the Google Cloud Computing forum (Google Groups). Allot of these concerns are being discussed and handled.

For my part I'll say this, we are all going to be on the cloud soon, there will probably be some disasters (just like the airplane), but in the end we'll all be better for it - the economics and the on demand power is going to make this the way we go.

And Tui - that's a pretty narrow view of security.
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by Tui Pohutukawa March 11, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
Plenty of corporate minions here.

For you collective information, MY data is MINE, and it is going to stay that way.
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by Lokitoth March 11, 2009 5:04 PM PDT
@Tui: Yes, your data is yours; provided that the data you are talking about is not hosted by some service or other that you are using, like your banking data, the various online federal data among other things.

This platform is not for end users like you. It is for developers of services like the ones I just mentioned above to create a scalable and efficient application. This is all.
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by mattrogerstx March 13, 2009 12:16 AM PDT
Since we launched Windows Azure I have spent a lot of time talking with customers about these specific issues. We consistently hear customers want a choice in how they manage their IT infrastructure and we adopted a software + services strategy to address this need. There will be some workloads that make sense to move to the cloud, and some that make more sense to leave on-premises. Our vision for the Azure Services Platform is to provide the functionality to make it easier for customers to dynamically shift compute workloads online and on-premises to fit their needs. Matt Rogers @ MSFT
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