Microsoft may let Windows 7 users turn browser off
According to Chris Holmes, build 7048 of Windows 7 includes Internet Explorer as one of many Windows components that can be turned on or off via a Windows Features dialog box. In the public beta version, IE8 is not on that list.
(Credit: Chris123nt.com)Microsoft has included in recent Windows 7 test versions an option to turn off the Internet Explorer 8 Web browser, according to testers who have used the recent builds.
According to Chris Holmes, build 7048 of Windows 7 includes Internet Explorer as one of many Windows components that can be turned on or off via a "Windows Features" dialog box. The control panel exists in the public beta version of Windows 7, but IE8 is not listed among the features that can be turned on and off.
Microsoft declined to comment on the feature's inclusion as well as the reasons behind the move. Others are speculating it might have something to do with the European Union's objection to the inclusion of a browser within Windows.
The software maker has cautioned that the EU may seek to have Microsoft allow PC buyers to choose their browser and then require Microsoft to disable certain IE code if a user chooses a non-Microsoft browser.
Enthusiast site AeroXperience has more detail on how IE can be toggled on and off and what exactly that might mean.
As we've already noted, Microsoft is making a number of changes to Windows 7 as it moves from the beta to "release candidate" stage. However, the IE change was not one that was called out in a recent Microsoft blog posting on the topic.
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http://www.pcdisorder.com/2009/03/windows-7-to-amputate-ie8.html
What you are asking MS to do is completely remove the HTML rendering engine from the OS. That will not happen in Windows any more than it will in OS X (and from what I understand KDE). In OS X you can just drag Safari into the trash *but* the underlying WebKit framework part of the OS in a pretty deep and fundamental way. While I think it would be interesting to have modular snap in rendering engines for the OS I don't see that happening anytime soon in any WM system.
You obviously have little understanding of computers.
KDE is not part of an OS. It sits on top of it.
As for OSX, I will bet dollars to donuts that it is in the window part, not the OS itself.
OS X and Linux do not depend of a web browser, Windows does.
Although IE is a perfectly fine browser, I have never agreed with its inclusion in the o/s to such a deep level. A rudimentary version ( such as wordpad is a rudimentary version of a word processor) would have been acceptable to allow people to find the browser of their choice and down-load it, but to build it right into the o/s was going too far imao.
Perhaps they should do the same thing with media player? (Although I do see a Media Features option in the window shown above).
and it never sold
I also suppose Linux based netbooks get your respect despite shipping with Firefox and google chat.
Fair is fair right? Or not... yeah actually not.
How about I boot up my MacBook Pro and have a screen in front of me asking which browser I want to use, which media player I want to use, which photo viewer I want to use, which movie maker I want to use, which chat application I want to use, etc etc etc.
The point of an OS is FEATURES. You would have Microsoft release an OS with both arms tied behind their back while it is perfectly fine for Apple to ship a machine TIED TO APPLE HARDWARE and loaded with proprietary hardware that won't run outside of THEIR environment. Apple is exponentially more anti-competitive than Microsoft is with their hardware/software tandem.
I sure don't care for Apple. Overpriced hardware, stupid decisions.
Macbook Air as a GREAT example, what a massive waste of time and money that was, get a real laptop, not a paperweight. (and even that is stretching a metaphor to the limits!)
OS makers could have a bare-bones browser, no menus, no settings, just a browser.
It opens a page from their website, so it can be kept up-to-date.
Names, homepage link, couple screenshots., direct download link.
Or they could just create a small program that wgets the most recent version.
I'd have more respect it this happened.
I hate preinstalled programs most of the time, they take up space, space i want.
Any time i get a new OS, i spend time deleting half of it, in most cases.
The main reason Microsoft are targeted in this is because they *deserve* it all.
They have made the web HELL for all us web developers for far too long now, they stagnated their browser for years.
Even worse is the fact that IE7, AND 8, is STILL far behind, and all they seem to be doing is going on about some anti-clickjacking and InPrivate mode that fails so badly...
Microsoft deserve every single lawsuit that has hit them in relation to Internet Explorer, every one of them, they get no Sympathy for me.
IE was just another one of their monopoly strategies, one of the more successful ones, sadly.
I've been running Ubuntu 8.10 for over 2 months. I've yet to find Google Chat anywhere on my system. Firefox is there. Of course, it can be completely removed from the system and another browser put in its place with no problems. In fact, I could replace my Windows Navigation, augment it, change it around, change its behavior or do whatever else I'd like with it.
Don't try and pull Linux into your comment without knowing exactly what you're talking about.
By the way, Apple is an OEM. The point of OS X is to sell hardware, not the other way around. The point of the slick interface on an iPod or iPhone is to sell the iPod or the iPhone, not to sell the software running on it.
MS wants to sell Windows. They couldn't care less what crap machine it's running on.
Start->Control Panel->Add or Remove Programs->Add/remove Windows Components, scroll down any you should see "Windows Media Player" as the penultimate item, between Update Root Certificates and Windows messenger, untick it, click Next and I think you'll find that WMP is gone.
Apple is a Hardware company , While MSFT is a software company !
How can you be so blind ?
I wonder wat you have to say about Dell including all
the semi-functional crapware that ships with it's systems !
The hardware Apple sells today is almost identical to Dell, HP, etc., which are hardware suppliers too. Apple chose to put on their machines OS X and not another OS. The difference is the OS that runs the machine, not the hardware.
And when you think about it, Apple is doing the same as Microsoft.
I think that as a PC user, I prefer my OS to have all these added futures. If I'm interested in something else (say, another browser), I can always download it and use it as my primary browser (Firefox). The same goes to Apple, it comes with Safari, but you can download others as well.
I just don't understand why it is so bad that the OS includes all these futures. Why should I have to download everything from scratch? And as I said, you always have the option to download more futures.
it's good for users to have everything bundled !
but since MSFT is a monopoly, it's bad in the long run !
by not making their browser {IE} compatible with certain web standards they r forcing web developers to use inferior standards set by MSFT
the web is free for everyone no company should own it
it's totally anti-competitive, Microsoft need to adhere to web standards or stop including their browser with their O.S !
but the rules r different for Apple since it's a hardware company
and most of the standards they use r open source and easily accessible
like eg-: Webkit and AAC etc unlike IE and Wma,Wmv
So Microsoft is illegally forcing it's standards on us
Windows users need to wake up and stop pretending like it's a good thing
MS sites are currently ActiveX, but it seems they are shifting to Silverlight/Moonlight
Get a life man....
two different things, so you are removing IE, not just the shortcuts
Same thing with Webkit and Safari in OSX.
The problem is you can delete webkit/safari in mac osx. You drag the executable to the trash. And click empty trash. If it is the only internet browser on your computer it will give you a warning. On a mac all the libraries, etc are contained in the application itself. You can also delete quicktime too. However you will lose almost all media playing ability on the mac.
Quicktime is just as emedded. It's got it's own folder under your library directory, plus half a dozen more.
there's a big difference between webkit and trident
webkit can be used by all everyone
while trident is MSFT proprietary Technology !
this obviously makes a big difference
But do you think the EU will accept that? Naaa... then they wouldn't be able to extort more money from MS.
I got a new laptop a few weeks ago and first thing was to install Firefox, and before even installing any plugins, it likes to randomly hang when viewing anything.
At least IE doesn't have massive memory leaks.
So, general browsing, FF, Specific sites, IE, general goofing, Opera, Safari did not fit the bill. Chrome widely missed the mark.
To remove IE from windows is an easy task, but not advisable.
Thank you.
There are tons of other reason's why I use it though, expandable text boxes, moving tabs in and out to other windows or their own windows. Just to name a few
The microsoft management console which comes with business class windows and better gives you just what you are asking for. The console has dozens of plugin's giving you total control of everything. There's thousands of settings you can make, all controlled by a simple to use GUI.
just because I don't use IE
I don't deserve to use some banks website ?
thats the stupidest rule I've ever heard
and since yr supporting it it makes you worse !
I'm running Ubuntu Intrepid on an HP Pavilion laptop w/ 2gb ram, 256 nVidia graphics, 7200 rpm hdd, and more! Ubuntu is totally free, running OpenOffice 3.01, and it's all totally free. What's more, I'm running a GUI interfaced Avast Antivirus, and an excellent firewall by Firestarter!
What's more: I am a heavy user: I push, and push, and push my laptop - and guess what, it doesn't crash, lock up or fail - the worst thing is that if I push too hard and open too many windows the browser firefox crashes but that's it!!!!
Good bye Microsuck - no more blue screens of death, no more gosh darn rebooting every other three hours, no more frozen screens, locked printers, etc!!
No more 299 dollar upgrades, entering stupid 25 digit key codes, etc!
real linux users don't need client side antivirus or firewalls.
oh wait.. you are just the average noob.
I have a desktop that has 64 GB of FB DDR2 DIMM RAM. Thats a desktop I am talking about. So what would you call that?
LOL...BTW I design and test imaging applications.
I'm running Ubuntu Intrepid on an HP Pavilion laptop w/ 2gb ram, 256 nVidia graphics, 7200 rpm hdd, and more! Ubuntu is totally free, running OpenOffice 3.01, and it's all totally free. What's more, I'm running a GUI interfaced Avast Antivirus, and an excellent firewall by Firestarter!
What's more: I am a heavy user: I push, and push, and push my laptop - and guess what, it doesn't crash, lock up or fail - the worst thing is that if I push too hard and open too many windows the browser firefox crashes but that's it!!!!
Good bye Microsuck - no more blue screens of death, no more gosh darn rebooting every other three hours, no more frozen screens, locked printers, etc!!
No more 299 dollar upgrades, entering stupid 25 digit key codes, etc!
If the core IE engine is removed major bits of Windows won't work, e.g. the Help subsystem and Document Explorer. I also suspect that software such as WordWeb, Babylon and others that use the IE core to deliver their respective "mini browser" features wont work either.
MS has gotten way with too much
anti-competitive proprietary standards and they need to stop
making rules for others
because the Web is free nobody should own it
The web is not "free", either. Neither does anyone "own it" as a not knowing poster said. This is phony "debate" filled with bored people.
because they choose wat software runs on the system
but Ms can't since MS only sell software and they also happen to be a monopoly
It makes a difference cause Apple sell the computers to the customer
while Ms Don't
another ex-: Dell can choose watever Software they want installed on their systems because they sell this system directly to the customer !
Apple is not just a hardware company. If it were a harware company then what is OSX?
It makes both harware and compatible software and chooses not to let anyone else install its OS on their machines in the fear that it might crash. This exactly is the behavior exhibited by MS machines. MS doesn't make the drivers, third parties do. If a computer crashes its not MS's fault and here is where this comes. Yes, they are a software company. MS has to cater to those long lines of customers in enterprises and corporations who have life cycles and who have to maintain backwards compatibility. Unlike Apple who can just start fresh on the next OS. But most of the enterprise users who first adopted the use of IE now have to use it because of various ACtivex Controls, apps and other protocols that run through or with the help of IE (which is deeply embedded).
About the bundling process, yes I do believe that there should be an option to take out IE. But a better option would be to let the OS ask you whether or not you want to keep the current browser bundled with the OS or would you like to go online with this browser temporarily and download a different one of your choice. Right now it sounds like all of the companies are crying to get their products to gain market share (which they are anyways). If they wanted to raise this issue, they should have done so years ago when IE was picking up and gaining ground due to not much competition around.
About Apple being a hardware company again, they can choose to put what ever they want but then why do Dell, HP and other OEM's choose MS software over Apple's. Its because Apple keeps denying them license to load their OSX on OEM machines. That's why the OEM's have resorted to using either MS software and now also offering Linux as an alternative. So like you said, Apple has every right to put their OS on their hardware but since Dell doesn't make any OS's they can put what ever they want on their machines and in this case it was Windows and customers get what ever comes with it. With Apple they get Safari, iTunes etc. With Windows its IE, WMP etc. and then AGAIN i agree that there should be a process that lets you remove IE off your system. THen again, over half the world that uses a computer would never bother to uninstall the previous browser. This can be seen with OSX users, Windows users, Linux users. What I am saying is that whatever comes with their system, they don't uninstall it because they either don't know how to or they are just lazy and what ends up happening is that for their benefit they download an alternative like Firefox or Chrome etc. I have seen this on numerous machines. I have seen OSX users with Safari, firefox, Opera etc. THey don't care to uninstall the previous one, but they would rather get another one.
ok long arguments ! so I cant answer everything
But it's really simple Apple sell hardware and Microsoft don't sell n e thing directly to the customers, thats what I was trying to say !
the software they sell needs a Dell/Hp computer to run !
and this obviously makes a difference !
the argument is not whether Apple makes software or not
it's that MS is not directly involved with the customers
yet they seem to be making all the rules while the hardware makers r just puppets playing to their masters call !
the Intel Vista compatible case is a good example
MS have a 90+% marketshare so n e software they include will prevent competition and they also keep making rules for everyone else !
Should the web be left in the hands on a single company ?
I think not !
MS had better start listening to us about the many problems with VISTA and IE8 before we all go out and buy a MAC!
In the meantime the rest of use will just download Firefox instead.
- by robert1275 March 5, 2009 8:56 AM PST
- That is correct. Microsoft has input this method as a stepping stone to turn off IE 8 to appease the E.U. It is not known if this step is enough or if the E.U. will require stronger or different methodologies to disable the browser.
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- by sharmajunior March 7, 2009 9:57 AM PST
- Yes I agree.
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Showing 1 of 2 pages (117 Comments)If the EU doesn't like it, they can go and get new computers with a different OS which would cost them millions.
Oh...WAit....maybe this way they can create more jobs....LOL