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February 24, 2009 10:03 AM PST

Microsoft Research: 'An investment in survival'

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft Research head Rick Rashid and Chief Research and Strategy Officer Craig Mundie on Tuesday kick off TechFest, Microsoft's internal science fair.

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REDMOND, Wash.--Although some companies might see basic research as something to put on the chopping block in tough economic times, Microsoft's top strategy officer argued Tuesday that's the worst place to cut.

Craig Mundie, Microsoft chief research and strategy officer, said companies that slash research do so at their own peril.

"A great many companies have a fairly short lifespan," Mundie said, kicking off the company's annual TechFest internal science fair. Even many big, great companies only last 30 years or so, he said.

"The company would struggle I think to survive and certainly to prosper if we didn't have the research investment," Mundie said.

Microsoft Research head Rick Rashid put it more bluntly.

"It's really about an investment in survival," Rashid said.

He noted that in the early days of the software business, when Microsoft had only a few thousand workers, it made a decision to start up its basic research operation. Other companies in the business, he said, made a different choice.

"Most of those competitors aren't with us anymore," Rashid said.

Asked which of the technologies on display this week are likely to help Microsoft move beyond the recession, Mundie pointed to some of the types of new computer interfaces that will help the industry move beyond the mouse and keyboard.

Rashid, meanwhile, said it's hard to know which research bets will pay off.

"You invest in basic research precisely because you don't know what the future is going to hold," he said. "If you knew what you were going to get, it wouldn't be basic research."

Among the several dozen projects on display to the press Tuesday is an effort to build a better thesaurus that CNET News covered last week.

Microsoft employees will have a look and an even broader assortment of technologies on display starting Wednesday.

The goal of TechFest is to expose those in Microsoft's product groups to what is cooking in the labs.

See the rest of our coverage from TechFest 2009 here.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by Penguinisto February 24, 2009 10:27 AM PST
That's nice and all, but, err, they may want to (or rather, should have) taken some of the results and put them into practice much, much sooner (pointing specifically at the MinWin project). The tech world would have wondered and been worried had Windows 7 been based on something light and fast, instead of being a tweaked Vista with a new UI skin.

/P
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by catch23 February 24, 2009 10:31 AM PST
Considering the reception Windows 7 has had, there still seems to be a fair amount of wonder and worry.
Well, worry from anyone not making a living making software for MS.

You are correct, however, on MS's uptake of results from research. They seem to have a 'wow that's cool lets put it on a shelf for a few years' attitude.
by Penguinisto February 24, 2009 11:09 AM PST
Re: Windows 7...

Nah - current hype is just that... hype, coupled with the feverish projections of hope by pundit and fanboy alike. Once it releases, we'll see what folks make of it (Proof? Notice that there's no real word or buzz one way or the other coming out of Enterprise, and not much hype coming from pundit circles outside of known MSFT fanboy territory...)

Technically, there's no real wonder at all: it's Vista, Mark II. Those are already known quantities by now - both in programming and in IT, and nothing much else has changed under the hood.
by Vegaman_Dan February 24, 2009 12:04 PM PST
Interesting points, Penguinisto. But as you have said yourself, nobody really knows what Win7 will hold. Until it ships, it's up in the air and all that anyone, including yourself, can do is guess and speculate.

The story, however, is about researching for the future. It's about trying different areas and see what develops out of it. If people fixated only on the present, then nothing would get done and there would be no improvement. Even Apple does the same sort of thing- research groups try different technologies and see what comes out of it. If they didn't, then we wouldn't have OS X at all, and I think you'll have to agree that was a project worth doing.

The buzz about Win7 is positive. I say let it succeed or fail on its own merits and not by biased pundits such as you or myself. We both want it to have problems- I, because my job depends on fixing problems caused by an OS, and you, because you simply hate Microsoft.
by contentcreator--2008 February 24, 2009 4:54 PM PST
Supertankers don't turn very fast and usually you don't want them to. Any massive rewrite introduces far more bugs than it fixes. Incrementalism is the order of the day, and the way to produce reliable systems. Windows has gone through a series of iterations, with a big pop at Win2K which brought in a lot of DECs VMS. MacOS has been very incremental too (Apple charges for dot upgrades). MacOS's big pop was OS9 to OSX --- which was based on NextStep and has certainly taken a few iterations to stabilize (with leopard a few in the wrong direction). Unix has evolved only very incrementally also, its big pop being from traditional Unix codebase to Linux.

All this stuff has different audiences, which often want diametrically-opposed results, back-compatibility chief among them. If M/S thinks something isn't ready for prime time, I'm inclined to not want it rushed out, right? But in the meantime, most machines available in stores have 64-bit Vista installed, they work, and the world hasn't ended----they're a lot more stable than the economy.
by dhavleak February 28, 2009 4:06 PM PST
Penguin -- I can't believe we actually agree on something. While my opinion of win7 is positive (I've been using the beta for a while now) -- I do agree that it's being over-hyped quite a bit. On the flip side, Vista wasn't as bad as it was claimed to be. Just pointing out that hype works both ways -- and people get polarized over anything MS-related -- so nothing they do is ever ok/above-average/could-be-better -- it's always a *phenomenal success* or a *dismal failure* or *pure evil*..
by The_happy_switcher February 24, 2009 10:33 AM PST
Some of that research money should go towards developing an OS that can't be hacked by a five year old.
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by kojacked February 24, 2009 12:16 PM PST
Too bad they aren't doing research on people behaving like five year olds and how to get them to grow up.
by The_happy_switcher February 24, 2009 1:07 PM PST
Don't give up hope for yourself just yet.
by t8 February 24, 2009 3:38 PM PST
Too bad that it isn't illegal for Microsoft to pay people to post pro-Microsoft comments and text in forums, blogs, and Wikipedia.
by dhavleak February 28, 2009 4:08 PM PST
@ AppleRocks1963 -- how old are you and how many exploits have you found in Windows to date? Go away troll..
by t8 February 24, 2009 3:37 PM PST
Why have and R&D budget when all you do is copy Google and Apple. I am suspicious as to where that money is really going.
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by JasonCe February 27, 2009 8:10 PM PST
you might want to check your facts about R&D:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcauthor.htm

see how many RFCs were written by Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Cisco and other real innovative companies that do real R&D.

then check how many RFCs were written by Apple.

truth hurts. doesn't it?
by t8 April 4, 2009 11:46 PM PDT
Yes the truth hurts. The iPod comes out, then the Zune. Apple OS features show up in Windows. Microsoft is like that kid who looks at your answers in an exam because he can't answer them himself..
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