February 9, 2009 11:16 AM PST

Microsoft, Google in rare technology pact

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft has licensed its technical know-how to nearly every company, including rivals such as Apple and Nokia.

Now Redmond can add Google to the list. To help power the Google Sync product that was announced on Monday, the search giant has licensed Microsoft's ActiveSync protocol for sharing information between a server and mobile phone.

Google Sync allows users to synchronize their contacts, and in some cases calendar information, with Google's Web-based services. It works with a range of phones including Windows Mobile phones, Apple's iPhone, RIM's BlackBerry, and phones from Nokia and Sony Ericsson.

Generally, companies have licensed the ActiveSync protocol to link data between a cell phone and a Microsoft Exchange server. In this case, though, Google is using ActiveSync to link Google data off of their servers to mobile phones.

Although Google and Microsoft have cooperated in some areas in the past, the deal on Monday is the first announced example of one of those companies licensing the other's intellectual property, according to Microsoft.

Horacio Gutierrez, Microsoft's top intellectual property lawyer touted the move.

"Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear (acknowledgment) of the innovation taking place at Microsoft," Gutierrez said in a statement. "This agreement is also a great example of Microsoft's openness to generally license our patents under fair and reasonable terms so long as licensees respect Microsoft intellectual property."

Gutierrez noted that the company has struck more than 500 licensing deals since it began its intellectual property-sharing push in 2003.

So, by my count, that leaves Oracle and Red Hat among big name technology companies that don't have some sort of pact with Microsoft. Anyone else have another prominent name I should add to that list?

Update, 2:05 p.m. PT: I thought it was worth checking to see if the deal between Google and Microsoft was broad enough to cover Exchange synchronizing to an Android device. "Android is not covered by this agreement," a Microsoft representative told CNET News.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by cwbutler February 9, 2009 11:35 AM PST
"Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear (acknowledgment) of the innovation taking place at Microsoft"

I'm trying to figure out how that's a clear acknowldegment of anything other than you need to licence activesync to sync with a winmo product so microsoft won't sue your butt off?
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by eadeguzman February 9, 2009 12:31 PM PST
Google could have reversed-engineered that protocol without licensing ActiveSync... Take for example Samba share which is open source... it's a protocol that takes advantage of existing Microsoft technology SMB (hence the name Samba).

In some ways it is an acknowledgment... because Google could have thought of other ways to do a sync with Exchange. They could conceivably write code on the server side (or maybe even at the client-side) that talks to exchange using exposed Exchange (public) APIs and have that code talk with Google's sync app.

Seriously, if Google thinks ActiveSync does not work, they should do it themselves. This is another sign of Google growing-up. They must have compared between time-to-market and cost of building it themselves and licensing it. If they had Google Phone last year, I bet that they would have attempted to build it themselves.
by mike234x February 9, 2009 12:59 PM PST
"Google could have reversed-engineered that protocol without licensing ActiveSync..."

It would still have been covered by the patent. Microsoft would likely have sued. Google might have gotten the patent dismissed, but with messy protocols like this, it's hard to convince a jury that there is nothing innovative there.

Since the only reason to license ActiveSync is to support Windows Mobile phones and iPhone, it really isn't worth for Google to fight this battle; for Android, Nokia, and other phones, they use SyncML or their own tools, which are not covered by Microsoft's patents.

They probably got the license cheap or free, and Microsoft got bragging rights.
by pentest February 9, 2009 1:15 PM PST
They did it to save money and time.

It doesn't reflect on MS's alleged ability to innovate.
by eadeguzman February 9, 2009 1:41 PM PST
mike234x -- may be "reverse-engineering" is the right legal term to describe it, but there are a lot of ways that you can work with an existing protocols without infringing on Microsoft patent. They did not sue for Samba technology.

Another example is OpenOffice which can open MS Word documents (older, v6, binary format). Microsoft did not sue Sun for it.

pentest -- yes, they did it to save time and money... but my point was that if they see ActiveSync as "useless" or bad for the customer, they wouldn't license it no matter how much money they save (yes, not even if Microsoft pays them to do it). By licensing it, they acknowledge that it is at least worth something.
by CTO_Dude February 9, 2009 6:06 PM PST
Don't you people realize that GOOGLE is using this technology to sync between their mobile phones and their own GMail solution? Read the article again!
by umbrae February 9, 2009 11:38 AM PST
Maybe Google can make an ActiveSync product that works.
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by getwired February 9, 2009 11:46 AM PST
Remember, they're starting with Microsoft protocols. :-)
by eadeguzman February 9, 2009 12:15 PM PST
Care to elaborate on that? You imply that Microsoft ActiveSync does not work -- why?

If ActiveSync is so bad, why would a company like Google like to license it?
by stringarray February 9, 2009 4:34 PM PST
And better yet, why did Apple license ActiveSync for the iPhone?
by Vegaman_Dan February 9, 2009 11:56 AM PST
I would love to have Google Sync with my information on my Apple Touch. Heck, I'd like it if Apple did syncing with the Touch. I want my notes synching that I had with the Asus MyPal PDA I used to have. Notes from Outlook were there on the PDA as well. It was clean and simple.

I don't have any notes with Google, but if this takes off, perhaps Apple will allow Google to have such an App on their iPhone/Touch platform.
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by sting7k February 9, 2009 12:17 PM PST
You can now sync your calender and contacts with Google by setting up an exchange account on your iPod Touch.
by mike234x February 9, 2009 12:56 PM PST
You can sync your iPod with Google:

http://www.google.com/mobile/apple/sync.html
by Vegaman_Dan February 10, 2009 7:50 AM PST
sting7k wrote:
"You can now sync your calender and contacts with Google by setting up an exchange account on your iPod Touch."

That you can, but unfortunately Apple's mail client (the *only* thing available or approved for use by Apple) merges all of them together as one lump. When I synched with my work account, I ended up downloading the entire global address list. No, there are no options to separate it out into groups like you can with Exchange normally. Instead I went from an address book of 50 people to more than 100,000. That somewhat makes it rather difficult to use with the Touch interface where you can only see ten entries at a time max. A whole lot of finger flicking to get to where you want.

I want notes synch, but the Apple app doesn't have that yet.
by Mr. Dee February 9, 2009 12:19 PM PST
Microsoft would have to do this, it would look bad on their part if Google gets refusing for wanting to license ActiveSync. Exchange is an industry standard, its just a reality that many of Microsoft's competitors realize.
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by eadeguzman February 9, 2009 12:43 PM PST
No, Google has to do this or write their own protocols that talk with Exchange. Microsoft probably does not care if Google or any vendor for that matter write sync applications for Exchange.

As long as the companies continue to buy exchange licenses, they're fine.
by pentest February 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST
Exchange is NOT a standard.

You might want to look up what a standard is.
by rapier1 February 9, 2009 1:31 PM PST
Sure its a standard. It may not be a standard committee standard but it is an industry standard. PowerPoint sure isn't an IETF standard but when you deal with presentations in the real world its all PowerPoint. This makes it a functional standard. You may not like it but that doesn't make it less of an effective standard.
by stringarray February 9, 2009 4:39 PM PST
Its a standard at the insurance company I work for. And we have many serverside business apps that use the Exchange api's.

The other "standard" we have is Lotus (IBM) Notes... Gotta love the Domino servers!
by random truth February 9, 2009 11:24 PM PST
@rapier
Ugh, Powerpoint sucks at making good presentations quickly. You would have had me if you stated something like microsoft word, or photoshop.
by rapier1 February 11, 2009 8:17 AM PST
I wasn't saying that PP was a good standard. Only that it was a standard. Everyone uses PP and very few people use any of the alternatives. That makes it, regardless of its merits, a functional standard. There are a lot of bad, but highly entrenched, standards out there.
by goodspeed8701 February 9, 2009 12:42 PM PST
This is why Microsoft is the largest someware company. They always stand to help their little rivals succeed.
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by pentest February 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST
Thank you for the laugh!!!! Much appreciated.

By the way on the Internet, MS is the little rival.
by goodspeed8701 February 9, 2009 2:05 PM PST
Active sync is a software right? so lets talk about active sync which appears to be a software and not internet.
by mike234x February 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST
"Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear (acknowledgment) of the innovation taking place at Microsoft,"

No, it's not. Microsoft's protocols are no more innovation than different shapes ink cartridges for ink jet printers are.

Google's licensing of them is simply an acknowledgment that it's not worth bothering to fight this. There are plenty of open sync protocols, it's just that Windows Mobile phones don't speak them.
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by abcd9009 February 9, 2009 1:28 PM PST
I think Google did the right thing by licensing ActiveSync from MS instead of building it for itself. I am sure it is financially more practical to license than build by itself. One thing Google has is the best of MS and Apple. Like it or not, Microsoft has mastered the art of marketing it's products (no matter how good or bad they are) to corporate users - that's where all the revenue is through Volume Sales. Apple on the other hand has an edge on innovation and cutting-edge products - that's where the mass appeal is. On the other hand, Microsoft has always (from the beginning) had a very bad reputation in terms on customer market. Apple has never bothered to go after the corporate world and always stuck with customers. Although I have to point out, finally Jobs realized the real revenue is not with the consumers but with corporate which is what Gates went after from the beginning.
Google on the other hand has both, the need and understandings for both corporate users and the innovation which is adapted and embraced much faster by consumers than corporations.
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by stringarray February 9, 2009 4:56 PM PST
While I agree for the most part, the only reason MS has the advantage in the business world is because of how the industry works. Its products MUST work on a vast variety of hardware. Because of this the business world can get better deals on their hardware by making IBM (Lenovo), HP, Compaq, Dell, etc. compete for that fat sales contract. Apple, on the other hand does not support third-party so it tends to cater to the average Joe consumer. Thats not saying Apple cant run businesses, I'm just stating why it is like it is.
by t8 February 9, 2009 2:11 PM PST
"Google's licensing of these Microsoft patents relating to the Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync protocol is a clear (acknowledgment) of the innovation taking place at Microsoft,"

Croc.

It just shows Google's strangle hold on the desktop.

Google would prefer to use or create open source as a solution.
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by stringarray February 9, 2009 5:01 PM PST
Is this an assumption or something from an article you read. Please post where you obtained this information from/
by t8 April 5, 2009 1:33 AM PDT
Typo.

It just shows Google's strangle hold on the desktop.
should be
It just shows Microsoft's strangle hold on the desktop.
by seven7dust February 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST
I smell another Monopoly coming soon
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by JCPayne February 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST
Hmm. I wonder if they are adding it to Google Android.
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by joetesta70 February 9, 2009 3:23 PM PST
Now I don't need that Mobile Me POS...
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by yevnod February 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST
working together donvey lindsey
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by giant_david February 10, 2009 3:26 AM PST
So, how much have Google paid for?
Without this piece of information it is impossible to form any judgment.
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by darrentan1985 February 11, 2009 1:01 AM PST
Nowadays it's vital for companies to do that to protect their copyright.
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