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February 3, 2009 8:45 AM PST

EMC, Microsoft team for share of IT budgets

by Ina Fried

NEW YORK--While tech spending has not evaporated, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said on Tuesday that most companies have mandated that their IT departments cut a significant percentage from their budgets.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

(Credit: Microsoft)

"To save 5 (percent) to 10 percent, you have to save a little bit on a lot of things," Ballmer told CNET News on Tuesday, in a joint interview with EMC CEO Joe Tucci, "It's not like there's nothing new getting done. Some new projects are getting killed. There's pressure on vendors to reduce prices."

Tucci said he is seeing similar pressures due to the weakening economy. "Most of our customers are dealing with some element of their own restructuring," he said. "They are trying to cut costs. They want quicker (return on investment)."

Tucci and Ballmer sat down with CNET News at the Plaza Hotel in New York, where the two executives were meeting with several dozen CIOs and announcing a three-year extension of the companies' joint sales and engineering partnership. The two companies have been partners in some areas since 2003, although the efforts have expanded significantly in recent years.

The companies are working together in a number of areas, including security, virtualization, and document management as part of the extended deal, which will now run through 2011.

Ballmer, noted that partnerships often either break down or prove to be irrelevant. That, he said, hasn't been the case with EMC. Ballmer said that he was initially somewhat skeptical as to the amount of overlap the two companies would have, but said he was happy that Tucci's optimism proved right.

EMC CEO Joe Tucci

EMC CEO Joe Tucci

(Credit: EMC)

Still, the partnership makes for strange bedfellows in a couple of areas, particularly virtualization. EMC, after all, bought virtualization leader VMware in 2004. Although EMC has spun VMware out as a separate public company, it still owns the bulk of the shares of VMware, Microsoft's biggest competitor in the virtualization market.

"We're not sitting here pretending we are partnering with VMware," Ballmer said. "There are things we try to cook up with those guys, but let's put that aside. That's more competition that needs to take into consideration what customers want."

But there is more to EMC and virtualization than its stake in VMware, Ballmer said.

The storage business is being transformed also by virtualization. "While Joe may own 80 percent of VMware, he still thinks it is a good idea to sell jointly in areas where perhaps, we'll win as opposed to VMware."

Tucci said that although it's a win-win when customers buy both EMC and VMware, he's also happy to sell storage gear that runs in conjunction with Microsoft's Hyper-V virtualization product.

"If you look for that alliance or partnership to be perfect where there's like zero areas of overlap," Tucci said. "I'm not sure that's physically possible with two powerful companies."

This is the first of several postings coming from CNET's interview with Tucci and Ballmer, which was conducted by Margurite Reardon, reporting from New York, and Ina Fried, reporting from San Francisco. Click here for the full interview.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by Random_Walk February 3, 2009 12:08 PM PST
Curious the two should band together, but not for the reason you may think.

EMC is very expensive for business, has its tentacles in many OEMs (Dell is an example), and is losing marketshare to cheaper and faster NetApp and similar competitors.

Microsoft is very expensive for business, has its tentacles in every large OEM, and is losing marketshare to cheaper and faster Linux, VMWare and similar competitors.
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by mpitogo February 3, 2009 8:04 PM PST
Sadly, I have to agree. We have a few CLARiiONs and did not got NetApp yet because EMC offered too good of a deal to keep our business. For EMC its going to be a hard fought battle. Also NetApp and VMware are in bed together. NetApp NAS filer with NFS volumes and ESX work very well together, it makes EMC look outdated.
by jessiethe3rd February 3, 2009 8:10 PM PST
Microsoft very expensive? Are you kidding me? VMware's virtualization is WAY more expensive than the competing Windows 2008 and Virtual Machine Manager/SCOM option. Linux is cheaper is moot as you have to have the support staff available to support the environment. Either you hire people (these people are no as cheap as thousands upon thousands of MCSE certified people) get support from IBM (not cheap), or swim the seas of patches available to the open source community - any way you cut the pie - upfront acquisition costs are one side of the spectrum... support is the other.

Faster? I don't think so - but maybe you can point to something that says definatively that Linux let's say Redhat disty is faster than Windows 2008 please show otherwise quit with the widespread remarks that have no actual proof.
by BogusBasin February 3, 2009 12:37 PM PST
Steve Ballmer should stick to what he is good at. I just don't know what that is......................
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by falkensmaze February 3, 2009 1:02 PM PST
Running ridiculously successful company's, making even more ridiculous amounts of money and fantastic monkey impressions live on stage for starters!! But theres more im sure,
by Penguinisto February 3, 2009 4:34 PM PST
"Running ridiculously successful company's"

...into the ground.

(Unless you want to call losing marketshare and presiding over one of the most disastrous product launches/sales "ridiculously successful")
by rcardona2k February 3, 2009 1:27 PM PST
Developers, developers, um, Storage, Storage! Hyper-V Storage!, developers, developers, developers!
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by jtjt145 February 3, 2009 2:02 PM PST
Ballmer's comment: "To save 5 (percent) to 10 percent, you have to save a little bit on a lot of things..."

The first thing coming to wind, when thinking about cost savings in IT, would be: Get rid of anything MicroSoft in your shop and replace it with OpenSource: It's cheaper and more reliable in the first place.
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by jessiethe3rd February 3, 2009 8:11 PM PST
Yeah... more reliable and supportable? Are you kidding me - could you point to some actual PROOF that it is more reliable?
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