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January 14, 2009 12:00 PM PST

Microsoft: Don't just throw money at health care

by Ina Fried
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In stark contrast to the many businesses beating a path to Washington to beg for money, Microsoft is urging caution as the government looks to spend billions on digitizing health care.

Peter Neupert, the former Drugstore.com CEO, who now heads Microsoft's health care unit, said investment is a "necessary, but not sufficient" condition for improvement and said that spending money on computer technology may not even be the right first step.

"I'm trying to transform the discussion just a little bit," he said in an interview on Wednesday. "Don't focus on spending money on tech per se. Focus on what outcomes do we want."

Neupert

Neupert, who is due to testify before a congressional committee on Thursday, likens it to when the government set out to put a man on the moon.

"When we decided to go to the moon, we didn't say let's build a great...rocket," Neupert said. "We said let's go to the moon...I feel a little bit of the conversation is lets build a great rocket and hope we get to the moon."

The hearing, to be chaired by Senator Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.) is titled "Investing in Health IT: A Stimulus for a Healthier America." Even the title suggests that the spending itself is a main priority, although background information also talks about the need to reduce medical errors and give health care providers quicker access to patient data.

It's not that Microsoft doesn't want to see spending on health care technology. Far from it. With the recession putting a crimp on business technology spending, Neupert would love to see some government dollars.

"We know technology is an important part of it," he said, adding that one of the big reasons past efforts to spur digital health records went nowhere was that there weren't dollars to back up the talk.

But, he's worried that in a rush to spend money to boost the economy, political and other leaders may be losing focus on the goal.

"If the country is going to invest $50 (billion) in incremental health IT--we all want it to be invested wisely, Neupert said in a blog posting earlier this week. "We should be building an asset with this investment--and the asset is not an application...but a health data asset that can be used to improve both individual outcomes and the performance of the institutions and the system overall."

That's the message he hopes to deliver in person to the Senate committee Thursday, as he joins others in the industry, including Health Leadership Council President Mary Grealy, Permanente Federation Executive Director Jack Cochran and Valerie Melvin, director of information technology for the Government Accounting Office.

There's already been considerable effort made in the e-health space, though from a variety of different angles, without much in the way of standards and interoperability. Microsoft and Google have been pushing for consumer access to health records, while other companies have helped specific parts of the industry--such as hospitals and pharmacies--to digitize their processes.

One of the things that's needed is room for experimentation, he said.

"I'd rather have five people trying to do it than have somebody in an office in Washington with one way how to do it...even though I'd get the money faster," Neupert said.

The problem, he said, is complex. It's not just government that needs to be willing to experiment. Insurance companies--those that pay many of the country's health care bills--also need to be willing to try new things.

He points to chronic care management, an area that governments and insurance companies spend billions on. Currently, most plans reimburse a doctor when a patient comes into the office, but not when the patient and doctor exchange e-mails about care done at home and other steps critical to managing long-term illnesses like diabetes.

By contrast, Neupert says veterinary offices are much further along in terms of things like e-mail reminders and preventative care because theirs is a cash business.

"The reimbursement system has to also be adjusted," Neupert said, referring to how doctors are compensated. "If they don't get paid for it they can't innovate."

Ultimately, said he'd like to see something like what happened with online banking, where there was strong security, privacy and interoperability. While that exists today, he notes that Intuit did not exactly get a warm embrace when it asked those that held financial data to make it easy for consumers to access via Quicken.

"The banks weren't very cooperative for the first five years," he said.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by TheTechKid January 14, 2009 1:18 PM PST
Finally someone comes out and states what is so obvious that it is easily overlooked! I can speak from personal experience that setting the wrong goal for something as simple as programming will lead to an inappropriate solution. When we develop any type of product, the focus must always be to achieve the purpose behind the project otherwise we will end up with lost time and nothing useful to show for it.
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by William Crow January 14, 2009 1:40 PM PST
All government can do is throw money at it. Planning is not a recognizable word for the government.
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by Vegaman_Dan January 14, 2009 2:32 PM PST
Throwing money at the problem is the automatic response to any issue. I'm glad a company is willing to stand up and ask first how that money ist to be spent- or if it is even the right time for that.

While I don't like the government involved in health care, and I don't want Microsoft, Google, or any other tech company involved either, it is good to see some resistance to the automatic cash machine that the government tends to be.
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by Penguinisto January 14, 2009 4:55 PM PST
"Don't focus on spending money on tech per se. Focus on what outcomes do we want."

Translation: As long as we (MSFT) get to define what those outcomes are ($$$$$ in MSFT's pocket), we don't mind telling you the obvious.

/P
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by dhavleak January 14, 2009 6:47 PM PST
Way to be a ****** penguin. Neupert also said:

"We should be building an asset with this investment--and the asset is not an application...but a health data asset that can be used to improve both individual outcomes and the performance of the institutions and the system overall."

Care to give us your spin on that?
by KristoferA1234 January 14, 2009 8:07 PM PST
Exactly. They are scared to death that ORCL, GOOG, MCK etc will get a bigger share of the $50Bn than MSFT. Pretty obvious.
by YankeePoodle January 14, 2009 11:37 PM PST
Peng,

Get over yourself and hate towards Microsoft.
by dargon19888 January 14, 2009 5:00 PM PST
Don't be fooled by Microsoft's comments. They want the money, only the problem is that digitizing patient's medical records isn't the biggest problem wrong with medicine. While there may be cost savings in billing and processing insurance claims, the larger issue with medicine is tort reform.

Add to this the fact that insurance companies are squeezing the doctors in the name of controlling costs, yet in reality its a way to squeeze profits out of a system and in to their pockets.

Sorry if I seem cynical, I've seen this happening over the past 30 years.
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by kenyee January 14, 2009 6:50 PM PST
I worked in telemedicine for a while (web apps done using Lotus Notes/Domino believe it or not...fast prototyping and development :-). We faced two main issues: doctors didn't want to use the technology (the older ones that were "in power"...the younger ones today are ok with it) and billing didn't work across state borders. You couldn't get paid for diagnosing cases across a state border. There are lots of fundamental issues like this that have to be solved before we can modernize the paper bound old school medical field...
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by adamgard January 15, 2009 12:59 AM PST
This is the most intelligent warning from the center of the IT Universe I have ever seen. Honest and informative. Keep your money until you have analysed the problem and chosen the best mix of non IT and necessary IT and rolled out parts of the soloution to be tested and implemented sequentially using proprietary technology, building up gradually to a workable blueprint for a national health care system. Microsoft know that if they take the money and stand back and watch the system roll downhill to the inevatible chaos they will be crucified for it. The near impossibility of building workable and affordable national IT systems is an industry given - I notice that IBM haven't been cited as the flag carrier - they have had too much experience of national IT disasters to want to take any part pf it.
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by J. Blow January 15, 2009 10:19 AM PST
1. End the employer tax credit for heath care
2. Require anyone that wants to be an employee to have proof of health insurance
3. End the limitation on crossing state lines to sell insurance
4. End the 3+ hours that Dr.s are spending on claim forms everyday.

Result - Boom - Competition, lower prices, individual responsibility for their heath care choices.

It is hard to see the gov't doing anything but making it worse.
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by medicalbanker January 16, 2009 12:21 PM PST
Peter's approach towards the issue resonates. I differ with the final line about banks. MBProject (www.mbproject.org) has been working with banks since 2001 - reviewing data protection policy, technology, marketing, monetization and other areas - to lay the framework for "health-wealth" portals. These portals will support the national quest to build a "medical internet". Some 55 million American households rely on online banking, making it one of the most trusted and used consumer applications. Linking to a personalized healthcare informatics platform is a viable path forward, with full cross-industry compliance (HIPAA, FACTA, GLB, FFIEC) and cross-geographical compliance (EU, etc) as well. We're featuring this idea, among others, at our Institute on March 11-13, 2009 in Nashville, TN and invite all interested parties to learn more.
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