Microsoft hopes to rebuild trust with Windows 7
LOS ANGELES--One of the biggest problems with Windows Vista had nothing to do with the software Microsoft shipped.
Microsoft's Jon DeVaan speaks about Windows 7 as the company kicks off its WinHEC 2008 conference in Los Angeles
(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News.com)It was all of the things Microsoft didn't ship. In the years leading up to Vista's release in November 2006, Microsoft changed course several times, leading to wasted time and energy for hardware and software makers that had made bets on features or timing that later were changed.
In a speech to hardware makers attending the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC), Microsoft's Jon DeVaan said that the company is aiming to rebuild trust that Microsoft will deliver products with the promised features and at the promised time.
And Microsoft is also hoping that most partners won't have a lot of work to get ready for Windows 7. "We have the tenet that if something works in Vista it really should work in Windows 7," said DeVaan, senior vice president of Microsoft's Windows core operating system division.
The company is hoping to improve some things from Vista, particularly start-up times as well as performance when managing a lot of open windows.
Battery life is another area where Microsoft hopes software improvements will make a meaningful difference. The company said that in some cases it is getting up to an extra hour of DVD playback and at a minimum, the same PC should get 20 more minutes of time in 7 than the same system would get in Vista.
That's the difference between a cliffhanger and getting to finish your movie, one of the Microsoft workers said during a demo onstage.
During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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Basically, you have to WANT to switch.
1) Nobody likes people plugging their own craptastic sites.
2) Call me crazy, but wouldn't it be better to see what the release versions of both products offer before making a decision?
to deliver another buggy, bloated, interferring OS that won't run my old software.
They've delivered with Vista and I don't see why they wouldn't keep on the same track.
I switched to Ubuntu though I'm dual booting win2k until I can do everthing I need in Linux. Vista's firewall between the user and file system was the last straw.
Slower interface?
Clicking 7 times for something that took one click in win2k?
Inability to watch an HD movie you own on your computer?
Mindless searches?
The ability to click yes to anything that pops up in a browser without infecting the computer?
Don't get me wrong, I recommend Vista - to noobs, grandmas, and computer illiterates.
I'm no fan of Microsoft but you did fail to support your statement that Vista "won't run my old software". If you can provide an example of such software then that would support your position.
What's also ironic is that he's dual booting two different operating systems - including one that can be best described as archaic - because he can't use a common pool of apps on one OS so, forgive me, but I don't think he's in a position to describe others as noobs or computer illiterates.
Reduce the code size!
Stop this bloat!
Optimize it!
Just enough to get your system running.
Whoo hoo! Do you have a link to the specs?
Disk footprint is easy to beat - the Linux kernel is only 50MB (before optimization), and with the same apps as Windows' pre-beta dist disk, I can use less than 0.50GB.
Give us some real numbers, plz.
/P
"[.....IBM, Bankers at Odds Over OS/2 Migration Path
Vendor advises OS/2 users to switch to Linux, but ATM makers are leading push to Windows...]"
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,83884,00.html
Therefore, it is quite apparent that they must not know what they are doing to be walking out empty-handed. Huh!
Seriously, if you haven't anything sensible to say then don't say anything at all.
Did they have any to begin with?!? I agree with orimta: start looking at the road toward Snow Leopard.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/snowleopard/
I'm not defending Apple but there was the well publicised Windows Home Server file corruption issue...
With respect to Snow Leopard, I think the goals are laudable but I will wait and see what the final product is actually like. Personally, I was far from impressed with the release version of Leopard and it took them 3 point releases to bring it into a state that I will accept.
I mean, seriously.
As for Apple, well their s**t stinks too as witnessed by the lamentable quality of recent product releases.
Anyone with any intelligence whatsoever is going to wait and see what the products available offer then make a decision based on their own personal circumstances. Of course the phrase "any intelligence whatsoever" kind of rules out 99% of fanboys, regardless of their affiliations.
The world knows M$ and the rebels know Mac you guys are so outnumbered
Well, in some circumstances the whiners have a point. If Microsoft is going to label a computer as "Vista Ready" then it damned well better be yet we know that was not always the case. It's things like this that cause trust to be lost in Microsoft.
I am sorry but maybe one or two replies to comments that are pro-Microsoft I could believe, but not every damn one. Microsoft is back to waging their propaganda war by the looks of things. Hopefully people see those replies for what they are. A bunch of people being paid to try and counter what people really think about their bloated OS.
Bring out the names and evdience. Let's get this witch hunt underway.
You may also care to notice that there are a number of entries in this topic alone that can only be described as blatant plugs for OSX.
I have vista and xp on my computers and xp is definitely better. Why should the poor, dumb consumer have to pay hundreds of bucks for something that--in terms of speed and complexity--represents a retrograde step? Will Win 7 be another rip-off? I'd rather have lived with a system which improves bit by bit. XP with SP 1001.
If you have been having problems with CD-DVD Writers, you might want to look at your systtem. And XP with SP1? You are leaving yourself open to so many intrusions over Vista that it isn't even funny!
1 - Insist that all sales of Windows 98 were reported as sales of Windows ME
2 - Insist that Windows ME was the most popular MS OS
3 - Insist that hardware vendors must sell Windows ME (Yes eventually Ballmer backed down on this for a little while)
4 - Insist everyone who hated it was crazy
5 - Spend $300 million trying to convince people it didn't suck
6 - Ignore a petition by over 200,000 individuals to continue selling Windows 98
I think what he did do was something like say - yup, it sucks. We screwed up. Let's drop this like the bad penny that it is and move on with a better OS immediately. Let's not try to put any lipstick on this pig - it is a waste of resources.
if MSFT does not communicate with prospective users they are headed for another VISTA / TITANIC.
also, cut the fancy theatrics. give us a stable, fast and usefull OS.
once again, I will wait a while when it comes out to adopt. I will change if it proves superior to what I am using now, which is XP.
AMD Athlon 64Fx-60
HIS X3870 PCI-E
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum MB
2 Gig of A-Data unbuffered Ram
2 Samsung Spinpoint 500 Gig Harddrives in Raid 1
DVD ASUS 16X DVD
DVD+/-RW PLEXTOR|PX-712A
CPU FAN Thermaltake Silentboost K8
Cooler Master Stacker 830 RC-830-SSN2-GP Full Tower
BFG 650 Watt PSU
SB Audigy 2Z Platinum Sound Card
Dell Ultrasharp 2005FPW 20.1 Wide Flat Panel
I built it myself some years ago. I know it's no screamer BUT it does run the OS fairly well. Problem was/is that I'm a flight simmer and combat junky. I've thousands invested in my modded Uber-Cougar HOTAS system, Vista just wouldn't run it consistently and smoothly. So my problems were specific to several pieces of very expensive hardware. In the end I'd rather be able to use my multi thousand dollar investment under XP than be cursing at it under Vista.
I'll probably try Vista again when I build a new Denab rig next Spring. Then I'll be in 4 gig territory and will try the 64 bit version of the OS if 7's release is not immenent.
Da Worfster
I've not tried it since SP
Fair enough - you may want to try SP1 and the latest AMD drivers though. I haven't used AMD cards for a while now but the 8800GTS I have certainly improved with the newer set from nVidia.
Also note, that it is not totally Vista's fault for hardware issues. If the hardware vendors can't get good drivers out the door, then it too is their problem. Of course, as some have noted, Vista changed way to much on what was going to be included and thus made it hard for hardware vendors to code proper drivers until the platform had matured. I'd say the blame is about 60/40 Microsoft/Vendors.
The company has decided to wait for Windows 7 for our next upgrade, skipping Vista altogether due to all of the issues with it. Kind of reminds me of the launch of Windows ME, another of Microsoft's huge failures.
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by Dalkorian
November 7, 2008 9:06 AM PST
- Rebuild trust? HA! No, thanks. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me. I consider the WGA bug I was forced to suffer in ex-pee a screwing. NEVER AGAIN. Call it what you want, winblows 7 is nothing more than a fista service pack (sp2? sp3??), relabeled to get away from all the horrific publicity that fista has earned and truly deserves. With all the kill switches M$ has woven into fista's design (WGA and that Malicious Tool Removal junk are all there, just deeper into the OS), no one but M$ owns a machine that has winblows installed on it. M$ can pay the likes of Lerianis and Mark_Anderson all it wants to lie to people and tell them how wonderful enslavement to fista is, but it won't convince me to bend over again. My computer is mine, I bought and paid for it and I expect to be able to do what I want with it when I want. Linux lets me do that, winblows interferes at M$'s discretion. It doesn't take rocket science to figure that one out!
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