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October 29, 2008 8:56 AM PDT

Microsoft researcher talks tools, telescope, and iPhone

by Ina Fried
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Rick Rashid

Microsoft researcher Rick Rashid speaks to developers Wednesday at the Professional Developer Conference.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET News)

LOS ANGELES--As he began his speech on Wednesday, Microsoft Research chief Rick Rashid talked up his ties, not just to Microsoft's products, but also to those from Apple.

"If you use a Macintosh or an iPhone, which honestly I would not recommend, you would be using code that I wrote more than 25 years ago," Rashid quipped to a crowd of developers at the company's Professional Developer Conference here. In his Carnegie Mellon days, Rashid helped create the Mach kernel that is at the heart of Mac OS X (Note: I originally stated that it was at the heart of FreeBSD, but others have pointed out that's not accurate).

Rashid noted that it's also a testimony to the staying power of core technology ideas.

"If you'd asked me 25 years ago if I thought code I was (writing, would be) running today on a cell phone, my reaction would have been 'what's a cell phone?'" Rashid said.

"It just shows you things really do survive and get used in interesting ways," Rashid said.

Later in his talk, Rashid is expected to show off some of the latest technology from the labs. (I'm betting we see Microsoft's Sphere surface computer, since Microsoft started the keynote Wednesday with a thank you note to the company that makes the display that powers Sphere.)

Update, 9:12 a.m. PDT: Microsoft put out a release noting some of the things Rashid will cover.

Microsoft plans an update to its Worldwide Telescope software and also detailed the Microsoft CCR and DSS Toolkit 2008, software developer tools that aim to "make it easier to develop loosely-coupled concurrent and distributed applications."

sensor map

Microsoft sensor technology is being used to create maps for research and work related to protecting the environment.

(Credit: Elinor Mills/CNET News)

Other topics include: DryadLINQ (a project that enables ordinary programmers to write large-scale data parallel applications to run on large PC clusters), a tool to help kids learn to program known as Boku, as well as Second Light, a surface computing research project I wrote about earlier this month.

Meanwhile, Microsoft researcher Feng Zhao is discussing how computers factor into the world's energy use. In the U.S. for example, computing uses about 1.5 percent of all electricity, according to a 2006 EPA report. However, computers can also be used to make other systems, such as heating and air conditioning, more efficient.

A slide of updated telescope software features.

A slide of updated telescope software features.

(Credit: Elinor Mills/CNET News)

Zhao showed a sensor map from Microsoft research that helped chart the temperature in the main convention hall over the last couple of days. He noted that Microsoft uses 10,000 such sensors throughout its data centers.

"It's...good for our customers," he said. "It's also good for the world."

Update, 9:45 a.m. PDT: Rashid discussed the update to the telescope software, which Microsoft is calling the "equinox" update.

The new update, going live now, offers more than double the data of the original release, including 55 new panoramic images from the Apollo moon and Pathfinder Mars missions.

The demos drew loud applause as Rashid showed a wide range of views, including a display of the entire viewable universe.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by rcrusoe October 29, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
"If you use a Macintosh or an iPhone, which honestly I would not recommend, you would be using code that I wrote more than 25 years ago,".

And that code is considered by most far superior to the software your company is writing today.

"It just shows you things really do survive and get used in interesting ways,"
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by JoeF2 October 29, 2008 11:48 AM PDT
Yeah, too bad his current employer didn't pick up the code. Their products would be better and actually useful today...
by Perry_Clease October 29, 2008 10:01 AM PDT
At first glance at the headline I thought "Cool, a necktie that looks like an iPhone home page, where can I can get one?" Seriously about 20 years ago I bought a necktie with with Mac icons on it.
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by BlackMicro October 29, 2008 10:03 AM PDT
Lame story! So what's the point?
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by kojacked October 29, 2008 12:17 PM PDT
Lame comment! So what's the point?
by alawaiblowfish October 29, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
He's kind of a walking contradiction, huh? "I wrote the base code for the iPhone and the Mac, but I don't recommend it." LOL, What?! How can we trust that windows 7 is any better? I'm sure you had a hand in that too. After all, Vista was such a resounding success!

This guy is a Joke; just like the crappy, vista-inspired "new" windows.
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by rapier1 October 29, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
He's a joke? Obviously you aren't a developer or in anyway informed about computer science.
by kojacked October 29, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
It's not the quality of the code, it's the age. 25 years is a long time for software to continue to be useful.
by supoman October 29, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
Prob kicking himself for not taking a job with Apple.
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by darthtofurkey October 29, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
So why wouldn't Rick Rashid recommend using OS X or an iPhone?
Is he recommending Vista instead? Or is he just a sellout shill for Microsoft now?
And where is the picture of his iPhone tie?
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by DrtyDogg October 29, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
Do you recommend a competitor's product, why would you expect him to be any different.
by rapier1 October 29, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
I guess you missed the fact that he works for Microsoft and that this is a Microsoft event.
by emmanuelhuna October 29, 2008 11:07 AM PDT
Wow, I'm at the PDC and just watched the keynote on Microsoft Research. Amazing stuff, like helping find a cure for HIV, or using termal sensors to help the environment.

So how does Ina Fried choose to lead her story? With an article title mentioning a very small remark by one of the presenters saying he once wrote code for Apple and uses an iPhone. Ina, are you paid by Apple to come up with this stuff? Are you an Apple religious fanatic or do you just play the fanatic crowd?

Of course the Mac and Linux fanatics jump on the bandwagon and start spitting their anti-Windows hate. Way to go CNET.

For those who are not blinded by hate, check out the Microsoft Research page at:

http://research.microsoft.com/conferences/msrpdc2008/default.aspx

I'm a PC.
Emmanuel Huna
www.ehuna.org
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by kojacked October 29, 2008 12:20 PM PDT
"For those who are not blinded by hate".

Pot calling the kettle black, eh? I'm a PC too but found the article (and the title) very interesting.
by JoeF2 October 29, 2008 2:03 PM PDT
"very small remark by one of the presenters saying he once wrote code for Apple"

You must be a newbie. Mr. Rashid didn't write code for Apple.
He wrote an operating system, called Mach, which later became one of the bases for MacOS.10.
May I suggest you google for Mach? Or use MSN Search, if you like that better. You could learn a thing or two...
Mach was based around a Microkernel. Google that as well...
You may also end up finding the discussion between Mr. Tanenbaum and Mr. Torvalds about microkernels. All fascinating stuff. And all stuff that people with a CS education should know.
by emmanuelhuna October 29, 2008 5:41 PM PDT
@JoeF2 thanks for the info, I'll read up on Mach (I'll Google it). I have 17 years of development experience on Solaris, Linux, MS-DOS and Windows, so I'm not that much of a newbie. I have to admit I don't know everything.

That said, you missed my point. I was just saying that there were dozens of amazing stories that could have been written about what was announced at today's keynote on Microsoft Research at the PDC. Yet Ina Fried chose to write a story that makes Microsoft look bad since one of the presenters recommended an iPhone. Notice all of the negative comments against Windows and Microsoft then followed.
by emmanuelhuna November 3, 2008 8:05 PM PST
Following up on this whole thread - a couple of remarks:

1) Looks like Ina Fried and/or CNET decided to change the title of this article and add a lot more information on the PDC keynote and the Microsoft research than the original article mentioning only the link of the presenter to iPhone and Apple. Good work CNET - less obvious bias is good.

2) For those wanting to watch the PDC keynote and learn about Microsoft research, check out http://channel9.msdn.com/pdc2008/KYN04/ - Microsoft made all of the PDC videos and Powerpoint presentations available for free to anyone online. Compare that to Apple that charges $500 after one of their Apple Developer Conferences (WDDC). That said Apple fan boys typically have more money and don't care about paying more and getting less (RAM, CPU, etc...)

By the way - to all of the Linux and Mac fanatics who obviously can't have any serious dialog as soon as Windows or Microsoft are mentioned: I'm not a Microsoft employee, but I do use its (amazing) technologies, tools, applications and platforms.
by zvonr October 29, 2008 11:21 AM PDT
Classic brainwashed MS employee, thinks that everything they do is the best... most likely never had a iphone in his hand...
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by Mark_Anderson October 29, 2008 12:33 PM PDT
Irony.
by ppgreat October 29, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
Oh, look, the Worldwide Telescope. Presented on the web but only viewable in Windows.

Who would have thunk it?

And, please, saying you're a 'PC' in your signature is like saying things 'rock'.
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by inpersonoz October 29, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
"It's not the quality of the code, it's the age. 25 years is a long time for software to continue to be useful."

It's not like it hasn't been refined and rewritten many times since then. How much actual 25 yo code remains is questionable. If the quality and functionality is still good, what's the problem?
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by arvi123y October 29, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
Sounds like sour grapes to me, or is it sour code?
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by mpitogo October 29, 2008 6:55 PM PDT
I'd like to see Vista running on a phone as small as the iPhone without a keyboard.
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by Seaspray0 October 30, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
Probably not vista, but with all the research into touch interface, there might be something there. I would expect it to be more of a windows mobile release than branded under any other name.
by Mark_Anderson October 31, 2008 6:05 AM PDT
I'd like to see Leopard doing the same.
by SteveW928 October 30, 2008 10:07 PM PDT
Does M$ pay people to make stupid comments like this.... or do you just get stupid once you start working there? Some kind of Ballmer disease?
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by Seaspray0 October 31, 2008 6:41 AM PDT
The most basic of code is the on/off switch. I still use it for my lights. I'll use something more advanced for the computer.
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